This will legitimately be my last post in this thread, since it's already becoming a disgusting thread to read through.
Firstly, let's stop with the "Frailty" talk. If a Pokemon's frailty was a big enough factor, Deoxys-A would be OU, we all know how horrible of a place the OU metagame would be if that were the case. Mega Lucario's main argument (from anti-ban members) was its frailty, however, it's clear that literally EVERYTHING else is more than enough to cover that one down fall. Greninja essentially is the definition of Low Risk High Reward. There is almost never a point in which the person using Greninja has to make a risky play that could other wise put it in danger unless of course the person using it is not the most knowledgeable. It comes in, clicks whatever move it wants, either picks off whatever switches in the next turn, or switches out to wait for its turn to do it all over again. Again, very little risk with a whole lot of reward.
Second, Greninja does not have 4MSS. Stop saying it does. 4MSS is when a Pokemon really wants a 5th move to work to the best of its ability, but has to deal with the fact it can't cover all its bases. Greninja does not have this problem. Greninja has everything it ever needs to cover its ass, and what little it doesn't cover immediately the other 5 Pokemon on its team can. It's capable of 2HKO'ing the entire meta with the right spread, so what it doesn't kill on the switch, is likely to drop on the next turn. Greninja has the ability to do this with ease. Not to mention this "4MSS" plays into Greninja's hand as well. It leaves the opponent completely unaware of what 4 moves the opposing ninja has until they've fully scouted its moveset (That isn't the easiest thing to do). Which roughly translates to cross your fingers and hope they don't have (insert move).
Third, we all know, every single one of us, that there are checks to Greninja. There are scarf 'mons, there are faster megas (which is entirely dependent on your team, albeit if you're carrying a mega specifically for ninja there's a problem), there are priority 'mons. However, what there isn't always much of, is a way to fit them on teams. It's easy to tell me to just throw p2 on my team and deal with it, but you don't care about how it fits onto my team. (I.e: 5 Hyper offensive 'mons + p2) That is centralization at its finest. However, the same can be said for scarfed mons and Priority 'mons. You can tell me just throw Lant on my Balance team without any regard of how well it fits on said team. This is where it limits team building.
We know there are checks, but much like a lack of checks and counters isn't enough to ban a Pokemon, the fact there are checks isn't enough to not ban a Pokemon. We know that it's frail, which has never, and will never be an important enough factor to stop a Pokemon from being broken.
TLDR; Read what I stated. . .
I'm enjoying the current ladder FAR more than I did two days ago. There are a wide variety of teams, and for the most part, seems pretty damn good. I'm hoping there will be a change of heart for some people here, for most, I doubt there will be. However, if you truly wanted a balanced metagame, you would see the reason Greninja has to go. I've enjoyed him while he's been around, but, he has over stayed his welcome. It's about time he goes. . .
Ban
