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Malware000's Fling Acrobatics Gliscor
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Gyarados
Gyarados
Gyarados @ Cheri Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 8 HP / 252 Atk / 248 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Bounce
- Natural Gift
Water + Flying is a nice type combination only resisted by Rotom-W (only OU mon who resists) However, pokemon like Ferrothorn and Skarmory still love to switch in on usual Gyarados even without resisting Bounce/Waterfall. Natural Gift lures in Ferrothorn and does a nice amount of damage to it. Additionally, you can't be paralyzed by Clefable or Thundurus after a Dragon Dance and basically get an extra kill.
Calcs:
252 Atk Cheri Berry Gyarados Natural Gift (80 BP Fire) vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 230-272 (65.3 - 77.3%)
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 8 HP / 252 Atk / 248 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Bounce
- Natural Gift
Water + Flying is a nice type combination only resisted by Rotom-W (only OU mon who resists) However, pokemon like Ferrothorn and Skarmory still love to switch in on usual Gyarados even without resisting Bounce/Waterfall. Natural Gift lures in Ferrothorn and does a nice amount of damage to it. Additionally, you can't be paralyzed by Clefable or Thundurus after a Dragon Dance and basically get an extra kill.
Calcs:
252 Atk Cheri Berry Gyarados Natural Gift (80 BP Fire) vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 230-272 (65.3 - 77.3%)
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Only regular Gyarados.
introducing...
Gyarados @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Waterfall / Aqua Tail
- Bounce
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
Scarf MoxieDos!!
This set aims to clean up a team lategame with waterfall/Aqua tail and moxie. Although its kinda weak unboosted, once you get going it can be a monster to take down. Moves are pretty simple:
Waterfall/aqua tail is for a spammable, great neutral coverage stab move
Bounce is for bulky grasses and waters and another cool stab move,
Ice fang is for dragons and some grass types,
And eq is for electric types who absolutely love coming in on gyarados.
Evs are just max/max, as thats all you really want
What sets it apart from other scarf-Moxie users is:
1. its fantastic bulk
2. its great, relatively unique offensive/defensive typing
and 3. its unpredictability/surprise factor
Its not the best set ever, but it packs a cool surprise factor and can perform quite well.
Gyarados @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Waterfall / Aqua Tail
- Bounce
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
Scarf MoxieDos!!
This set aims to clean up a team lategame with waterfall/Aqua tail and moxie. Although its kinda weak unboosted, once you get going it can be a monster to take down. Moves are pretty simple:
Waterfall/aqua tail is for a spammable, great neutral coverage stab move
Bounce is for bulky grasses and waters and another cool stab move,
Ice fang is for dragons and some grass types,
And eq is for electric types who absolutely love coming in on gyarados.
Evs are just max/max, as thats all you really want
What sets it apart from other scarf-Moxie users is:
1. its fantastic bulk
2. its great, relatively unique offensive/defensive typing
and 3. its unpredictability/surprise factor
Its not the best set ever, but it packs a cool surprise factor and can perform quite well.
"Chesto Dance Gyarados"
Gyarados @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Intimidate / Moxie
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 172 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Bounce
- Dragon Dance
- Rest
This is a pretty cool set that i used to use in STABmons (Acrobatics insteed of bounce). Basically, what you have to do is set up DD´s as much as you can, then rest and sweep. Max. attack for max. DAMAGE, 172 to outspeed timid raikou after a DD annd the rest on HP.
Gyarados @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Intimidate / Moxie
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 172 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Bounce
- Dragon Dance
- Rest
This is a pretty cool set that i used to use in STABmons (Acrobatics insteed of bounce). Basically, what you have to do is set up DD´s as much as you can, then rest and sweep. Max. attack for max. DAMAGE, 172 to outspeed timid raikou after a DD annd the rest on HP.
Since malware000 beat me to ChestoRest Gyara, I'll nominate this bad boy instead:
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Dragon Tail / Roar
- Bounce
- Taunt
Gyarados can act as an effective parashuffler who can paralyze even Ground-Type mons with Bounce. The suggested spread enhances his physical bulk to its full potential, being able to shrug off most physical hits and even some super effective Stone Edge/Rock Slide.
T-Wave and Dragon Tail/Roar are used for parashuffling,
Bounce, as previously said, is used to paralyze threatening Ground-Type mons such as Excadrill and both Landos,
And Taunt is really usefull when used in conjuction with Bounce as it can force an opposing mon to attack or to switch in to another mon (hopefully not an Electric-Type) while Gyarados is in the air before paralyzing it. It's also useful to prevent mons to use recovery and status-inducing moves.
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Dragon Tail / Roar
- Bounce
- Taunt
Gyarados can act as an effective parashuffler who can paralyze even Ground-Type mons with Bounce. The suggested spread enhances his physical bulk to its full potential, being able to shrug off most physical hits and even some super effective Stone Edge/Rock Slide.
T-Wave and Dragon Tail/Roar are used for parashuffling,
Bounce, as previously said, is used to paralyze threatening Ground-Type mons such as Excadrill and both Landos,
And Taunt is really usefull when used in conjuction with Bounce as it can force an opposing mon to attack or to switch in to another mon (hopefully not an Electric-Type) while Gyarados is in the air before paralyzing it. It's also useful to prevent mons to use recovery and status-inducing moves.
Its not very easy to make a inovative but useful set for this guy but i think i found somthing.
Natural Gift gyarados
Gyarados @ Watmel Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Natural Gift
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake / Substitute
Alright my main reason behind this is fairly simple. Who beats gyra? ferrothorn. Now whats cool behind this is that it not only allows you to get past gyra but also allows you to hit other grass types with a physical move. But why this over Fire blast? its simple you dont need to go mixed and 2 its got 100% accuracy. Only real issue with this is that is does only have one use but its certainly interesting. Biggest issue is that you need to be at +1 to ohko ferro but thats not all that hard if you predict a ferro switch in. The rest of the sets normal. Adamant was chosen becuase you need to get the most power out of this.
Natural Gift gyarados
Gyarados @ Watmel Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Natural Gift
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake / Substitute
Alright my main reason behind this is fairly simple. Who beats gyra? ferrothorn. Now whats cool behind this is that it not only allows you to get past gyra but also allows you to hit other grass types with a physical move. But why this over Fire blast? its simple you dont need to go mixed and 2 its got 100% accuracy. Only real issue with this is that is does only have one use but its certainly interesting. Biggest issue is that you need to be at +1 to ohko ferro but thats not all that hard if you predict a ferro switch in. The rest of the sets normal. Adamant was chosen becuase you need to get the most power out of this.
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If you're gonna use a berry whose only use is for Natural Gift, why not use Watmel Berry instead? It makes Natural Gift a 100 BP Fire-type move and has a 68.8% to OHKO Ferrothorn after SR (I used the spread that the PS damage calc has because I didn't know if it was the right one).
I'd like to know which Trollfreak employee thought it was a good idea to not give this guy U-Turn, decent S.Atk and acrobatics.
Edit: Finally got something.
Gyarados @ Assault Vest
252 HP, 252 atk, 4 S.Def
Ability: Intimidate
Adamant nature
- Waterfall
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
- Bounce
AV Gyarados is supposed to take on offensive threats, and hit back with a powerful attack to KO. Waterfall is it's best STAB, while EQ is there to hit electric switchins. Ice Fang hits grass types that resist waterfall, although there's very few things it hits, but it's the most useful thing it has. Itvalso hits dragons and flying things. Bounces two turn rubbish is used for flying STAB, cause trollfreak didn't give it anything else (not even aerial ace). It should only be used if your opponent is forced to sack something or weaken it considerably, and never use it while a resist remains.
Edit: Finally got something.
Gyarados @ Assault Vest
252 HP, 252 atk, 4 S.Def
Ability: Intimidate
Adamant nature
- Waterfall
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
- Bounce
AV Gyarados is supposed to take on offensive threats, and hit back with a powerful attack to KO. Waterfall is it's best STAB, while EQ is there to hit electric switchins. Ice Fang hits grass types that resist waterfall, although there's very few things it hits, but it's the most useful thing it has. Itvalso hits dragons and flying things. Bounces two turn rubbish is used for flying STAB, cause trollfreak didn't give it anything else (not even aerial ace). It should only be used if your opponent is forced to sack something or weaken it considerably, and never use it while a resist remains.
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thanks i didnt know what other berries are fire type
Cheri Berry is the most effective Fire-type Natural Gift Berry. While it's only 80 BP vs Watmel's 100 BP, it also blocks paralysis from Thundurus, which is invaluable. That said, I figured I'd share a different Natural Gift Gyara set:
Gyarados @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 8 HP / 252 Atk / 248 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Bounce
- Natural Gift
This is a pretty interesting Gyarados set that is pretty much the same as the Cheri Berry set except with Liechi Berry instead, which provides a 100 BP Grass move for Gyarados. This has a few noteworthy applications, the most obvious being smacking Rotom-W which is otherwise a perfect Gyarados counter:
+1 252 Atk Liechi Berry Gyarados Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 248 HP / 216+ Def Rotom-W: 226-266 (74.5 - 87.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Other applications of this move include hitting Quagsire (which counters DD Gyarados without Sub due to Unaware) and OHKOing Azumarill at +1, two fairly significant targets (especially the latter).
Gyarados @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 8 HP / 252 Atk / 248 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Bounce
- Natural Gift
This is a pretty interesting Gyarados set that is pretty much the same as the Cheri Berry set except with Liechi Berry instead, which provides a 100 BP Grass move for Gyarados. This has a few noteworthy applications, the most obvious being smacking Rotom-W which is otherwise a perfect Gyarados counter:
+1 252 Atk Liechi Berry Gyarados Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 248 HP / 216+ Def Rotom-W: 226-266 (74.5 - 87.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Other applications of this move include hitting Quagsire (which counters DD Gyarados without Sub due to Unaware) and OHKOing Azumarill at +1, two fairly significant targets (especially the latter).
What I was trying to say is that if you want to use a berry for a one-time Fire-type attack with Natural Gift and for no other relevant use, then the Watmel Berry was the best option compared to the Occa Berry when Gyara isn't even weak to Fire-type moves. No more, no less.
Toxic Wallbreaker Gyarados
Gyarados @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate / Moxie
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Ice Fang / Stone Edge / Taunt
- Aqua Tail
- Toxic
- Earthquake / Stone Edge
This set aims to get past common physical and mixed walls the Gyarados struggles with using Toxic while providing additional wallbreaking support for the team. Toxic helps to cripple Slowbro, Chesnaught, Mega Altaria, Mandibuzz, Unaware Clefable and most other non-Poison and Steel types. Aqua Tail is the obligatory reliable STAB move and, unlike Waterfall, will notably 2HKO Chansey and Mega Sableye after Stealth Rock. Earthquake is a strong, reliable physical coverage move that is generally good to use against targets that resist Aqua Tail like Keldeo and is also threatening to things like Mega Manectric, Jirachi and Tentacruel. Ice Fang beats most Dragon types as well as Breloom, Amoonguss and Sp. Def Celebi, but its low base power leaves it outclasssed by Aqua Tail against Ground/Flying types and is too weak to overpower some bulkier Grass, Dragon and Flying types. Stone Edge hits Rotom-W the hardest and 2HKOs or OHKOs Zapdos, Mandibuzz, and Kyurem-B. Like Earthquake it is also a strong move that is effective against targets that resist Aqua Tail, but it obviously has accuracy problems. Taunt is for stallbreaking mostly.
Intimidate allows it get more opportunities to fire off attacks or Toxics against offensive teams whereas Moxie can potentially be dangerous against Stall, balance or bulky Offensive.
Threats to this set include Ferrothorn, Skarmory (Taunt can help, but Counter Skarmory beats it soundly), Mega Venusaur, Magic Guard Clefable, ChestoRest Rotom-W and Scizor defensively, while HP Electric Keldeo is a great offensive switch-in that can OHKO in return. It is easily revenge killed by Thundurus, Raikou, Megaman, Terrakion and Band Dragonite among others.
Gyarados @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate / Moxie
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Ice Fang / Stone Edge / Taunt
- Aqua Tail
- Toxic
- Earthquake / Stone Edge
This set aims to get past common physical and mixed walls the Gyarados struggles with using Toxic while providing additional wallbreaking support for the team. Toxic helps to cripple Slowbro, Chesnaught, Mega Altaria, Mandibuzz, Unaware Clefable and most other non-Poison and Steel types. Aqua Tail is the obligatory reliable STAB move and, unlike Waterfall, will notably 2HKO Chansey and Mega Sableye after Stealth Rock. Earthquake is a strong, reliable physical coverage move that is generally good to use against targets that resist Aqua Tail like Keldeo and is also threatening to things like Mega Manectric, Jirachi and Tentacruel. Ice Fang beats most Dragon types as well as Breloom, Amoonguss and Sp. Def Celebi, but its low base power leaves it outclasssed by Aqua Tail against Ground/Flying types and is too weak to overpower some bulkier Grass, Dragon and Flying types. Stone Edge hits Rotom-W the hardest and 2HKOs or OHKOs Zapdos, Mandibuzz, and Kyurem-B. Like Earthquake it is also a strong move that is effective against targets that resist Aqua Tail, but it obviously has accuracy problems. Taunt is for stallbreaking mostly.
Intimidate allows it get more opportunities to fire off attacks or Toxics against offensive teams whereas Moxie can potentially be dangerous against Stall, balance or bulky Offensive.
Threats to this set include Ferrothorn, Skarmory (Taunt can help, but Counter Skarmory beats it soundly), Mega Venusaur, Magic Guard Clefable, ChestoRest Rotom-W and Scizor defensively, while HP Electric Keldeo is a great offensive switch-in that can OHKO in return. It is easily revenge killed by Thundurus, Raikou, Megaman, Terrakion and Band Dragonite among others.
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Not really sure why you would use this over standard Rest / Sleep Talk / T-wave / Dragon Tail gyarados, as it's hard to wear down with status and chip damage. You're welcome to prove me wrong though :]Since malware000 beat me to ChestoRest Gyara, I'll nominate this bad boy instead:
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Dragon Tail / Roar
- Bounce
- Taunt
Gyarados can act as an effective parashuffler who can paralyze even Ground-Type mons with Bounce. The suggested spread enhances his physical bulk to its full potential, being able to shrug off most physical hits and even some super effective Stone Edge/Rock Slide.
T-Wave and Dragon Tail/Roar are used for parashuffling,
Bounce, as previously said, is used to paralyze threatening Ground-Type mons such as Excadrill and both Landos,
And Taunt is really usefull when used in conjuction with Bounce as it can force an opposing mon to attack or to switch in to another mon (hopefully not an Electric-Type) while Gyarados is in the air before paralyzing it. It's also useful to prevent mons to use recovery and status-inducing moves.
This is pretty much the same as sketchups set, just with a different berry. Also, as jukain said, cheri berry is better to stop paralysis. And correct me if I'm wrong, but according to bulbapedia, cheri berry is only 60 BP, and watmel berry is 80 BP. Was the base power of cheri berry changed in ORAS?
Remove crunch with bounce, as bounce is nice for beating keldeo, which I guess is the main purpose of this set. Crunch is also pretty weak without STAB.
Kinda iffy on this one, as fire blast gyarados just doesn't sound right to me. Sure, it can lure in ferrothorn, but +1 bounce already does a huge amount of damage. Holding back on this for now.Wallbreaker Lure Gyarados
Gyarados @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate / Moxie
EVs: 240 Atk / 92 SpA / 176 Spe
Lonely Nature
- Fire Blast
- Waterfall
- Toxic / Stone Edge / Earthquake
- Earthquake / Crunch / Stone Edge
This set aims to get past common Steel types and physical walls that Gyarados struggles with while acting as a wallbreaker. 92 SpA EVs allow Gyarados to 2HKO SpD Skarmory after Stealth Rock with Fire Blast and does a lot of damage to Ferrothorn, standard physically defensive Skarmory, Mega Scizor, Mega Metagross, offensive Breloom and others. Waterfall is standard STAB and will be Gyarados' go-to move for most of the battle. Toxic is useful for wearing down other common switch-ins that aren't covered by Fire Blast, such as Slowbro. Gyarados has a surprsingly limited physical movepool, so Earthquake, Crunch and Stone Edge are the only good options for the latter two slots. Earthquake is the most reliable, is mainly just there as a strong physical move and only really hits Keldeo, Azumarill and some Steel types notably. Stone Edge has good synergy with Earthquake and is Gyarados' hardest hitting option against Rotom-W, Dragonite, Zapdos and others, but is inaccurate. Crunch hits the Latis the hardest (though Stone Edge also 2HKOs) and has a small chance of 2HKOing normal Slowbro. It is also the best option against Mew, Celebi
Thunderbolt is an option against Slowbro and other bulky Waters, but it needs more SpA investment to 2HKO, taking away from its much-needed EVs. However, you can choose to swap the EVs for SpA and Spe, which will allow it to 2HKO Slowbro after Stealth Rock while outspeeding Landorus-T.
The EVs allow Gyarados to outspeed Adamant Bisharp and standard Zapdos and to have over a 50% chance of 2HKOing standard Magic Guard Clefable. The SpA EVs are explained above and the rest are dumped in HP.
This set faces a fair amount of threats, including Mega Venusaur, Mega Sableye, Clefable, tank Garchomp, Rotom-W, Mega Altaria, Dragonite and others. Toxic helps with all but the first three, who just cannot be beaten unless they are worn down extensively. Gyarados' lowish speed cannot be repaired by Dragon Dance on this set, so it is limited and easily worn down against offensive teams, especially in combination with Stealth Rock and Life Orb damage. However, Intimidate and Gyarados' hard hitting attacks help it a bit against offense.
Yeah, Natural Gift's BP increased with 20 on every berry. Watmel is now 100 BP and Cheri is 80
The sole purpose of this set was to be able to paralyze Ground-type mons. I added Taunt to avoid status and stuff, but I understand your opinion and logic (hell, I don't think I'd vote for my own set if it was possible lol).
i didnt know that sorry.
I'll accept it, but Gyarados beats most Ground-types with waterfall anyways.
edit: Also, I just wanted to say that I updated the current entries stuff.
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