Noivern gets roost, psychic, focus blast, flamethrower/ heat wave, shadow ball, and some other stuff. I think its def the better choice.
Gardevoir @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Boomburst
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower
- Surf
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I don't think that it's necessarily better, the only thing that you said that sounded appealing was focus blast and even then I try and stay away from it because of its accuracy. I don't care for roost either seems how it is an offensive mon and they don't need recovery unless they set up/ stall break.
Also flygon gets roost as well
That's fair, but w/o psychic you lack secondary STAB, which is annoying. Admittedly, you'd probs just click boomburst for the most part, but still. It's kinda situational, but those kinds of things are important to note. Not to mention, noivern has some other cool options like super fang. It's kinda niche, but it can be very useful too.
the only thing is that unless you have parental bond super fang is useless since it'll only allow you to 2HKO a mon if you could already 2HKO them at the HP they had.
I didn't say it would be amazing, but it is an interesting move. Crobat runs it all the time in UU. Also, pixilate makes it fairy, so it can now hit ghosts. Overall, not the best option, but it allows you to hit some stuff you couldn't before. Aegislash comes to mind.
Super fang is good for guarenteed damage if you predict a wall you can't damage significantly switching in of course there is u-turn as well but it is kind of variable. on what your dealing with
Edit: essentialy it is so you don't half to predict and can hit with the respective move after they switch in
Edit: essentialy it is so you don't half to predict and can hit with the respective move after they switch in
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To be completely honest, Noivern and Flygon are almost equally good candidates for Gardevoir to inherit, they both have similar special movepools. They both learn boomburst, flamethrower, roost, and u-turn, which are all pretty good options for Gardevoir. The only reason you would choose one over the other is the preference of earth power or focus blast. Side note, what does surf accomplish? Seems pretty useless to me.add absol, to things ttar can inherit from.
Add weavile to low A/high br rank inheriting from mega glalie, it gets massive return hits, stab crunch and ice shard to kills gw users that don't expect it. Final move being Explosion to kill about half the meta if you don't need it for anything else.
Weavile @ Life Orb
Ability: Refrigerate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Return
- Crunch
- Ice Shard
- Explosion
Secondly Braviary inheriting from rayquaza mega (or any other e seeder for that matter), for high C/low B rank. This pokemon can set up very easily and often, with dual stab in dragon ascent and e-speed it can power through balanced and a lot of offense, sometimes even stall if it gets a good matchup. The last move can be what you want depending on the rest of your team. He is bulky enough to take a lot of hits with it's lack of weaknesses due to delta stream.
Braviary (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Delta Stream
- Extreme Speed
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Ascent
- Coverage (v-create)
Thirdly There is Raikou, for high B/low A rank who would have a similar set to the magnets but better. Inheriting form the one of the lati twins bolt beam coverage is great for such a fast pokemon with no weaknesses (barring mold breaker). People may waste a turn using any ground move while you can get damage or use whatever other moves you have. Raikou's other moves are very diverse when inheriting from the lati twins. It can be a pseudo cleric(healing wish), a defogger, a set up sweeper (cm/recover/sub/stored power), It can get coverage from lati's special movepool (energy ball, shadow ball, Draco, Psyshock), it can trap pokemon with whirlpool and turn a pokemon into set up bate with memento.
Raikou
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/def/spdef/ 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- filler
- filler
last on my list is mega gardevoir, inheriting from anyone with boomburst (I'm using flygon). This pokemon will sweep any stall or balanced team once chansey is weakened and sableye is banned. the boomburst that this thing carries is amazingly strong and will cripple most things that are slower than it, with good coverage. I use flamethrower, earth power and surf for steel types that want to come in, including levitran. Other may want to use something with psyshock for specially defensive pokemon, but I wouldn't recommend it.
Gardevoir @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Boomburst
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower
- Surf
I have an improved Gardevoir set:
Gardevoir @ Gardevoirite
Ability : Levitate / Frisk
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Boomburst
- Earth Power / Focus Blast
- Roost / Substitute / Tailwind / Flamethrower
- U-turn / Taunt / Defog / Flamethrower
(Noivern / Flygon)
So for obvious reasons if you pick Noivern you can only choose the purple moves and if you choose Flygon you can only choose the green moves :3
Boomburst is the move you will be spamming 90% of the time, thanks to the delicious 256 base power after STAB and pixilate (correct me if i'm wrong). Like i said before the choice between Earth Power and Focus Blast is totally up to preference. The last 2 slots are kinda filler. Roost for healing and longetivity, substitute because it's substitute, tailwind for speed, or flamethrower to roast steels (although most get bopped by boomburst anyway, and some of them run flash fire). For the last slot, u-turn for pivoting out of checks and gaining momentum, taunt for fucking up special walls like Chanshit, defog because an offensive defogger is never a bad choice, and flamethrower if you want to roast steels. While it wasn't listed on the moveset, quick attack could be used (Flygon only) in one of the filler slots. It's pretty weak, but it's priority nonetheless.
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What about Gardevoir inheriting from Genesect? It gets Download pre-mega and can use Techno Blast, Boltbeam, Flamethrower, Rock Polish, and if you're so inclined, it can run Extreme Speed to make the best of an undesirable Download boost. Hell, at +1, uninvested Pixilate Espeed is decently powerful even with no investment.
Obviously, the lack of Substitute-ignoring, Earth Power, and recovery make Flygon and co. useful still, but I think Genesect is a valid enough donor for Mega Gardevoir.
Obviously, the lack of Substitute-ignoring, Earth Power, and recovery make Flygon and co. useful still, but I think Genesect is a valid enough donor for Mega Gardevoir.
Hey guys, I really like Volcanion, but I can't think of any good sets for it. Does anyone have some viable Pokemon that Volcanion can inherit, or Pokemon that inherit from Volcanion?
Volcanion can only donate, as it is unreleased. That said chandy and thundy are both good recipients iirc.
Well, I'm not sure it would be legal, to use at least. You could inherit from it, but from my experience in the OU unreleased tour, volcanion itself is perfectly fine for itself, but I guess it could work for mega camerupt. Water absorb or whatever it is would eliminate it's crippling weakness, and it's got a bunch of cool toys to play with like earth power, fire blast... Basically everything it already had, + steam eruption for super dope coverage.
Oh wait, I forgot that it loses the inherited ability... Oh well, it would be cool.
Darmanitan @ Life Orb
Ability: Drought/Tough Claws
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
-Dragon Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Earthquake
-Crunch/Rock Slide/Thunder Punch
You don't need ates to do ridiculous damage - just one Dragon Dance and your damage potential skyrockets. If you're scared about Drought running out, Tough Claws is a decent alternative that also makes some coverage moves better.
+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Multiscale Lugia in Sun: 199-235 (47.8 - 56.4%) -- 31.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Just so you get an idea how stupidly hard this set hits.
Ability: Drought/Tough Claws
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
-Dragon Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Earthquake
-Crunch/Rock Slide/Thunder Punch
You don't need ates to do ridiculous damage - just one Dragon Dance and your damage potential skyrockets. If you're scared about Drought running out, Tough Claws is a decent alternative that also makes some coverage moves better.
+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Multiscale Lugia in Sun: 199-235 (47.8 - 56.4%) -- 31.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Just so you get an idea how stupidly hard this set hits.
I think tough claws would be better- the extra power for his stabs seems redundant, when he has 140 base attack. If you've ever encountered a darmanitan, even in OU, you'll understand just how stupid hard it hits, even with a scarf. Sun only lasts 5 turns, and it's only 1.127x stronger than tough claws on flare blitz. For a sweeper, the prolonged boost that TC provides is def preferred.
Genesect is now unbanned, right?
Butterfree (Genesect) @ Life Orb
Ability: Tinted Lens
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid/Modest Nature
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Psychic/ Giga Drain
- Sleep Powder/Hidden Power Ground/Roost
What? Horrible attacking types? Who cares when you have Tinted Lens. Sadly, no Quiver Dancers that have Steel attacking move. Another alternative donor would be Sigilyph, who also have Tinted Lens. No Quiver Dance, but it has Flash Cannon and Signal Beam for dual STAB. It also have Calm Mind, Roost and Psyshock to hit Special walls, so Sigilyph can be a good choice if you don't need Speed.
Butterfree (Genesect) @ Life Orb
Ability: Tinted Lens
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid/Modest Nature
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Psychic/ Giga Drain
- Sleep Powder/Hidden Power Ground/Roost
What? Horrible attacking types? Who cares when you have Tinted Lens. Sadly, no Quiver Dancers that have Steel attacking move. Another alternative donor would be Sigilyph, who also have Tinted Lens. No Quiver Dance, but it has Flash Cannon and Signal Beam for dual STAB. It also have Calm Mind, Roost and Psyshock to hit Special walls, so Sigilyph can be a good choice if you don't need Speed.
I'm not so sure about this one, even with tinted lens, a lot of Pokemon will still resist the majority of those moves due to all the 4x resists of bug and grass.
As a bulky fire-type with 130 SpA but disappointing speed, as well as a double resistance to Fire itself, I think Volcanion could be a solid inheritor of Chlorophyll. Venusaur and Victreebel are necessary for the Fire STAB. They donate not only Weather Ball (which, unlike HP Fire, isn't destroyed by Primordial Sea -- it deals ~80% to Primordial Sea Starmie on the switch at 252+ and a Life Orb) but Sleep Powder as well.
And obviously, it's a great inheritor for Swift Swim as well. There are a lot more options for Swift Swim than Chlorophyll, so you can probably work something out on this one depending on what you want for your team.
Its great bulk and workable resistances also seem like it could run a solid regenvest set inheriting from Slowking, which grants it Scald and Fire Blast/Flamethrower for STABs and several viable options for slots 3 and 4, notably Ice Beam, Dragon Tail, and Earthquake. Of course, if you wanted instant recovery, you could certainly ditch the vest and just go for that.
It's also an option for a Masquerain inheritor if you find Suicune's Grass weakness unacceptable or you need a Fairy resist, or if you just want a more offensive set in general. Volcarona if you prefer Fire STAB to Water STAB.
On the flip side, if you're inheriting from Volcanion, it's probably for Water Absorb and Steam Eruption... so it would be best suited for a Specially powerful, reasonably bulky Water-type (for Steam Eruption) that could use some assistance against opposing Water-types... oh hey, it's Volcanion :P. Mega Camerupt was already mentioned, but I feel that Groudon is a better donor, as it grants Drought pre-mega and, between Fire STAB / Earth Power / Thunderbolt / Focus Blast, nigh-unresisted coverage even with type-nullifying abilities. To be honest, I'm not sure there's much that would really prefer inheriting from Volcanion to something else with a boosting move, Ice Beam, or more utility.
Great set actually. Utterly destroys a lot of offensive teams with speed and power, and explosion is basically a free kill barring shit like intimidate suicune. This thing has so much power its unfair. There are other options for the set such as earthquake and the power of double edge over return could be useful, but i digress.add absol, to things ttar can inherit from.
Add weavile to low A/high br rank inheriting from mega glalie, it gets massive return hits, stab crunch and ice shard to kills gw users that don't expect it. Final move being Explosion to kill about half the meta if you don't need it for anything else.
Weavile @ Life Orb
Ability: Refrigerate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Return
- Crunch
- Ice Shard
- Explosion
I actually theorymonned the SD version of this set a while back since ekiller is so good, and used it to moderate success; this set might be a little better. V-create gives it a nuke on the fire type as well, however I think there are many other options that are superior in this slot, since this currently is walled by unaware mons like rhyperior and several other rock types. The coverage slot is more of a filler than anything else because espeed and dragon ascent are your two kill buttons, and therefore it makes sense to use it to hit specific mons (i.e. rock types). Earthquake is a decent choice (even though it doesn't beat rhyperior), as is waterfall/surf or v-create. Regardless, cool.
Braviary (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Delta Stream
- Extreme Speed
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Ascent
- Coverage (v-create)
Secondly Braviary inheriting from rayquaza mega (or any other e seeder for that matter), for high C/low B rank. This pokemon can set up very easily and often, with dual stab in dragon ascent and e-speed it can power through balanced and a lot of offense, sometimes even stall if it gets a good matchup. The last move can be what you want depending on the rest of your team. He is bulky enough to take a lot of hits with it's lack of weaknesses due to delta stream.
This is an interesting mon, and although it is not really my favorite, it has a nice strong boltbeam coverage. No weaknesses means it can safely come in on many weaker threats, and the coverage it possesses allows it to kill a lot of things. Since this meta is so turbulent, I would rather use something else, but I can certainly see why you might like this.
Raikou
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/def/spdef/ 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- filler
- filler
Thirdly There is Raikou, for high B/low A rank who would have a similar set to the magnets but better. Inheriting form the one of the lati twins bolt beam coverage is great for such a fast pokemon with no weaknesses (barring mold breaker). People may waste a turn using any ground move while you can get damage or use whatever other moves you have. Raikou's other moves are very diverse when inheriting from the lati twins. It can be a pseudo cleric(healing wish), a defogger, a set up sweeper (cm/recover/sub/stored power), It can get coverage from lati's special movepool (energy ball, shadow ball, Draco, Psyshock), it can trap pokemon with whirlpool and turn a pokemon into set up bate with memento.
I will scream. This was actually my first thought when I went into inheritance, but the lack of speed and physical defense disturbed me. It has to be paired with a lant counter, otherwise it is virtual deadweight and a huge momentum killer against offense. The main problem with the set is obvious and starts with a C, and it will be called C because i hate it. C walls this and almost all versions of the mon, but there is one that it most definitely can't wall: dicks. dicks has nasty plot and boomburst, as well as chatter to throw off other walls, with heat wave for coverage and agility for speed boosting if you want it. It also has roost, defog, and various other useful moves. dicks breaks stall w/o FF steels and primordial sea, and those can say hi to a quick magnet pull mon (which is a great partner for a stallbreaking core).last on my list is mega gardevoir, inheriting from anyone with boomburst (I'm using flygon). This pokemon will sweep any stall or balanced team once chansey is weakened and sableye is banned. the boomburst that this thing carries is amazingly strong and will cripple most things that are slower than it, with good coverage. I use flamethrower, earth power and surf for steel types that want to come in, including levitran. Other may want to use something with psyshock for specially defensive pokemon, but I wouldn't recommend it.
Gardevoir @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Boomburst
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower
- Surf
If you are going to use mega garde, you NEED to go full stallbreaker as that is its only niche; it gives lant free turns which is awful for offense. Don't think about utilizing this against offensive teams when you are choosing a donor, only think about breaking stall. The dicks set definitely breaks stall as well, especially if you decide to run chatter. A set of boomburst / heat wave / roost / nasty plot wrecks a lot of stall, and chatter can throw most possible counters for a complete loop.
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1: glalie can't learn swords dance.
2: Surf is far better to bop rhydon, as levitate sets (solrock and co) do exist.
3: it can also run the boomburst/earthpower/roost/uturn set (and one of the boomburst donors also has taunt, fwiw, and agility set is also really powerful vs offense)
In addition to the nitpicks though, I agree, levikou is actually really really interesting, especially since the latis gift it defog, recovery, and god tier coverage. However specifically on weavile I think the better set to dismantle defensive teams and offensive teams alike is darkrai, as dark void with bad dreams annihilates stall and give free turns for sding against any archetype.
1. I couldve sworn it did but okay. It actually has virtually no movepool. I do wish somebody had checked the calc to see if double-edge is more useful; this thing isn't tanking much with its typing and lack of bulk.
2. waterfall may be better than surf due to being boosted by DD as well as coming off of its much higher physical attack stat. surf/waterfall actually can't even beat unaware rhyperior, but with a life orb they 2hko (rhyp runs stone edge so down goes that). Both of them have almost the same damage output, and with boosting I think waterfall is probably superior. It is also important because you will hit steels harder off of the physical attacking stat, since without v-create its walled by rocks and steels.
3. I am aware of all the sets mega garde can run with boomburst, but I think it is important that if you use it you must go full stallbreaker since its a huge momentum killer. Looking for offensive utility won't help it all that much when most mons on offensive teams just gain momentum off of it. Thats why I think the NP set is superior (it also gets agility); it also can completely fuck walls with chatter which makes it a far superior stallbreaker. Fairy/fire coverage is pretty good as well, if you go that route. It has a bit of 4mss but thats fine, its so goddamn powerful that I would just pair it with a magnet pull user and use roost / np / boomburst / chatter and watch everything on stall teams die. Not boosting with nasty plot leaves this easily walled by C, which this set can get past at +6 (which it easily gets to with roost).
I like darkrai weavile, but the lack of ice stab is disappointing against offense and leaves it revenged by lant yet again. Its a good set, but Ice stab is half of why weavile is so good at abusing its stats compared to in standard where its stabs are weak. Ice shard and the high power of the refrigerate set can give offense a lot more trouble despite the lack of sleep.
Sorry on the surf note, I forgot that braviary doesn't hit the spa mark for surf outdamaging waterfall, as it did on blaze and does on several of the vcreate spammers. Also chansey generally runs taunt so you're not getting to +6. And doesn't +2 sucker punch destroy lando?
smart landos don't go for BB, they go for wisp and burn you while you go for sucker. If they are willing to come in on you at +2, they won't go for BB anticipating the sucker punch, and a burn cripples weavile in the process. Safest bet is to pack a reliable way to beat lando, but sucker punch is far from reliable.
Maybe chansey runs taunt, but if its switching in on you your still getting to +2. While a chansey counter is generally nice, you 2hko at +2, so if they go for taunt they will die anyways, and if they go for metal burst you can nasty plot up. Either way, chatter makes it 50/50s even if they win the first one.
Also noted that rhyperior isn't even 2hko'd by either w/o the life orb boost, so the main two targets of the water coverage don't even get killed by it. I think the best option in the last slot is probably v-create (or possibly earthquake; yes i know levitate but also flash fire).
While i do agree inheriting from Chatot makes Gardevoir a ridiculously strong wall breaker, i dont think the other sets are bad. Inheriting from Chatot makes Gardevoir incredibly one-dimensional and loses some offensive and utility moves. For example if you use chatot you are pretty much forced to run np, burst, roost, and chatter, and you miss out on offensive moves such as flamethrower, earthpower, and focus blast, while also losing out on utility moves such as substitute, defog, taunt, uturn, and tailwind.
On a lot of teams it doesnt have the bulk to setup and sweep successfully, from my experience Gardevoir is more of a hit-and-run attacker. Not to mention even with np it still gets walled by Chansey, Heatran, and some other specially-defensive users of unaware, it is still checked by birdspam and powerful priority in general along with faster hard-hitters like Adaptkion.