d1 spiffy gets accused of role fishing
d2 spiffy asks announcer to identify himself
d2 spiffy asks announcer to identify himself
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So the mafia had two reasons to kill him?
HD, Spiffy's interpretation of the nightkills is simple and in the dark -- a townie's interpretation. Yours is like you know more.
Yeah, seriously Spiffy. Stop role fishing.
Is there serious harm in asking the announcer to identify themselves? It's not a role that really matters. Someone correct me if I'm wrong somehow, but it'd be fine by me to have a clean town at least for today (unless we wish to save that for a more clutch time).
It's very logical to try and place yourself in the shoes of your enemies to see how they would act. Doesn't everyone do that? Including Spiffy.
Also, it's not like I said something extraordinary. Anyone could have thought of that.
"Hi everybody! I'm the village announcer! While I'm sad to see the Safeguard go, judging by how the day went, it could so easily have been me instead, so here's hoping we don't repeat the same mistakes tomorrow!"
I don't know what's bothering you, but this vagueness of the roles is gonna make life a lot more difficult for mafia.
"Hi everybody! I'm the village announcer! While I'm sad to see the Safeguard go, judging by how the day went, it could so easily have been me instead, so here's hoping we don't repeat the same mistakes tomorrow!"
The anonymity of having a presumably town voice can be beneficial.
OK then. Why did you say what you did, if anyone could think of it? Your three points were:
1) LightWolf looked like a Power Role
2) No one would be bodyguarding him
3) They wanted to make a scene out of it
Explain all 3. You came up with the points, you should have no trouble finding evidence for your points.
Sure.
1) His way of posting and low number of posts was similar to how power roles play the game.
2) He wasn't prominant enough for the body guard to notice him.
3) I explained it already. To use the opportunity and incriminate someone, like me or spiffy.
"Hi everybody! I'm the village announcer! While I'm sad to see the Safeguard go, judging by how the day went, it could so easily have been me instead, so here's hoping we don't repeat the same mistakes tomorrow!"
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... I was expecting you to slip up on that one somehow. That's all very reasonable.............................................
(what do I do now?)
Well I still think you scumslipped. But at the same time I can't really incriminate you because you've handled the defense really well. I want to see if Spiffy has anything to say before I get off your back though.
Care to explain why you are lynching me? Also how did you go from this:
to suddenly a buddy to celver?
"Hi everybody! I'm the village announcer! While I'm sad to see the Safeguard go, judging by how the day went, it could so easily have been me instead, so here's hoping we don't repeat the same mistakes tomorrow!"
Also explain how this isn't conforming to town after a scumslip. I'm all ears.
I am not voting for you because of Celever's reasoning. I am voting for you because you're getting by with saying "I'm a power role" despite how you only said it to get the heat off you then disappeared with out a trace. I think you should claim, ESPECIALLY if you're something as useless as announcer (which you seem to be implying but not outright stating which is also very anti-town). I want to know what everyone else thinks about this.
Thinking about it, he could also very easily be the mafia announcer. The reason he doesn't want to claim it being that he thinks it is a role usually on the mafia because this is his first game and it's on the mafia (happens too often with new players...) so thinks he'll be lynched if he outright claims.
There wasn't much reason to lynch me for to begin with (except for inactive townies or mafias jumping on a train that had already stopped when I defended myself)
You even confessed to your misunderstanding here:
(the whole thing is in page 19 if anyone wants to dig through it)
I've just been waiting for you to point fingers at me again. At first you seemed reasonable enough to sound townish to me, but now you are blatantly trying to rolefish something possibly important out of me. I have reasons to believe that if you were town, you would have tried to divert the attention from me instead of trying to get me lynched.
vote spiffy
"Hi everybody! I'm the village announcer! While I'm sad to see the Safeguard go, judging by how the day went, it could so easily have been me instead, so here's hoping we don't repeat the same mistakes tomorrow!"
Anyway, it's past midnight here. I'm going to bed for now, good night.
edit: "Hi everybody! I'm the village announcer! While I'm sad to see the Safeguard go, judging by how the day went, it could so easily have been me instead, so here's hoping we don't repeat the same mistakes tomorrow!"
edit: "Hi everybody! I'm the village announcer! While I'm sad to see the Safeguard go, judging by how the day went, it could so easily have been me instead, so here's hoping we don't repeat the same mistakes tomorrow!"
Divert the attention? You're claiming to be a power role and have offered no proof of being one. If anything you should be in the spotlight. Don't act like you didn't bring this situation on yourself; you're the one who softclaimed it.
The fact that anyone can do literally the same exact thing and be allowed to coast through the whole game is unacceptable. The way you went about it is exactly how I would expect mafia to do it.
Haunted Diamond tell me, would you let me live and coast through the entire game if I claimed that I was a power role right now and nothing else(to clarify I am NOT doing this, just a hypothetical)?
And yes, as mafia I would CONTINUE to harp on something that clearly everyone in the game disagrees with so I can isolate myself further. That would be a brilliant idea.
The fact that anyone can do literally the same exact thing and be allowed to coast through the whole game is unacceptable. The way you went about it is exactly how I would expect mafia to do it.
Haunted Diamond tell me, would you let me live and coast through the entire game if I claimed that I was a power role right now and nothing else(to clarify I am NOT doing this, just a hypothetical)?
And yes, as mafia I would CONTINUE to harp on something that clearly everyone in the game disagrees with so I can isolate myself further. That would be a brilliant idea.
So I just got back from Amish country and came back to this. I was asked to explain why I lynched Cancerous. I explained myself before why I thought it was a bad lynch. But all of the candidates were terrible lynch targets. And he was the least hurtful of the three.
Spiffy, you have no idea how badly I desperately want to ask you a question about something in private. But alas I can't. And it's going to drive me crazy because it's an ingenious question. I almost completely feel you are village right now as a result of how I see you playing, and I'm pretty damned confident in it. Keep sharing your ideas, I'm very interested in hearing them.
I feel like von's out of the gate blame the cancerous voters seemed staged and kind of mafia-ish. The whole "look here guys, not over here behind the curtain" thing rubs me the wrong way. The mafia is just as likely to have voted for cancerous as they were to have voted for someone else they knew/felt was in the minority to get lynched or to have not voted at all to avoid being linked to anything. There was no tie in the vote that was influenced. We pretty much all kind of went on Cancerous as a small group for the same reasons despite knowing the risks. And in the face of the choices and lack of leadership it is what it was. Just ran out of time and we already all decided a lynch had to go on.
I have a suspicion that the courier is the one who is post restricting people. This a crazy thought? We're all looking at the courier is the mafia, but maybe the courier has to match the announcements with the announcer or something. Which would make why HD was targeted because of his soft claim of a roll.
Other than that, I don't have much else right now. I just feel we're generally over reacting to a few things. Though some great posts/thoughts are being made. And one very strategic move being made early.
Spiffy, you have no idea how badly I desperately want to ask you a question about something in private. But alas I can't. And it's going to drive me crazy because it's an ingenious question. I almost completely feel you are village right now as a result of how I see you playing, and I'm pretty damned confident in it. Keep sharing your ideas, I'm very interested in hearing them.
I feel like von's out of the gate blame the cancerous voters seemed staged and kind of mafia-ish. The whole "look here guys, not over here behind the curtain" thing rubs me the wrong way. The mafia is just as likely to have voted for cancerous as they were to have voted for someone else they knew/felt was in the minority to get lynched or to have not voted at all to avoid being linked to anything. There was no tie in the vote that was influenced. We pretty much all kind of went on Cancerous as a small group for the same reasons despite knowing the risks. And in the face of the choices and lack of leadership it is what it was. Just ran out of time and we already all decided a lynch had to go on.
I have a suspicion that the courier is the one who is post restricting people. This a crazy thought? We're all looking at the courier is the mafia, but maybe the courier has to match the announcements with the announcer or something. Which would make why HD was targeted because of his soft claim of a roll.
Other than that, I don't have much else right now. I just feel we're generally over reacting to a few things. Though some great posts/thoughts are being made. And one very strategic move being made early.
Curtain? What curtain? Aside from HD blowing up since then, what could we possibly have had to talk about that matters more?
Everyone wants to downplay the Cancerous lynch and evade responsibility. But the fact of the matter is that he was bullied, he was lynched with very bad reasons (not posting amazing things on day 1), and everyone should have known this. With Spiffy still kind of full of it in general (grade A buddying btw, if he's town then it would be in everyone's best interest if you explain your reasoning rather than being vague), and HD soft claiming but not owning up to anything when there was ample time, how could Cancerous possibly have been the least bad vote?
Also, you don't know that. I wouldn't bet highly on it, but it's entirely possible that with a Spiffy lynch petering out due to LW, and if HD was mafia, their whole team might have voted for the next closest option. That'd be a bit silly, but then it's WIFOM to say it couldn't happen. So I don't know why you're so sure it wasn't a factor. Or, one or two well timed votes could have sped up a bandwagon towards a hammer, where those votes might just as easily have done the same thing to HD. And majority is not a small group of people.
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