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Spiffy said:
I don't get how people could vote for sunny when PokeguyNXB is a much scummier version of him. Celever what sets them apart?
PokeguyNXB what do you think of Fatecrashers?

A sunny lynch is just Cancerous 2.0 imo and gets us no where. Lynching only inactive noobs generally does not work.
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Lynching Fate isn't a whole lot better. He's not even going to give us leads on anyone besides HD, who then probably won't give us any leads should we end up lynching him. If we lynch sunny we can try to get a lead Day 3 and not have our minds overrun by emotional "OHMYGOD FATE IS TOWN HD MUST BE SCUM" or whatever will happen. I just don't tink it's a good idea.
 
Spiffy said:
Probably 2: you and Fatecrashers
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Please reread other people's comments. This is objectively untrue.

ButteredToast
Spiffy might not take all the time in the world to research specific things and goes off memory in his arguments,

I don't think that Von is wrong in the points he is making.

Von doesn't seem scummier/baseless and Spiffy seems slightly more ill prepared in his arguments (meaning I should probably fact check before I throw my name in with his thoughts)
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PokeguyNXB
Top 3 Townreads (no particular order):
vonFiedler

Reasoning: These three are all making pro-town contributions, and it feels genuine.
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HauntedDiamond
Town:
Vonfiedler: Sounds like a more active and more experienced rssp to me. Although his actions in Day 1 had a Spiffy like dictatorshipness to them (I disagree with the logic of someone being the best lynch when they are likely town, but then again it might come from my lack of experience in NOC).

IDK:
Spiffy: He has had a decent reasoning for most of his lynches, but sometimes he gets too stubborn to get something he wants (that could be unbeneficial to town) and the fact that he sometimes ignores the replies people make to his attacks makes him look suspicious in my eyes. Although, looking back at his posts in the Day 1 and Day 2, I can't apply the mafia mindset to him. So if he was anything scummy, I'd go for the third party role.

Kinda scummy:
Jalmont: I really need to know more about his past games behaviour. He has been very weird throughout the game, I can associate it with inactivity and lack of experience, but looking at his join date it's hard to think like that. Still not someone I'd lynch today.
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Amianki
I'm scumreading Jalmont. :|
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Sunny004
Town:
vonFiedler - Same as rasp

Neutral:
Spiffy - Seems to do a lot of role fishing but that could mean a scum trying to look like a busy town member. Meh for now I guess.
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All of these quotes directly involve or were posted in regards to the arguments in question. Not counting Fatecrashers, who took a more direct approach to picking out the lies you've told about him.

Spiffy said:
You're annoying me because seemingly your only purpose in this game is to get me lynched and you keep mentioning that I'm the one that lies but don't recall any solid evidence presented in which that was the case. If there's something a missed or didn't respond to then please quote it for me. You keep acting like everyone agrees with you when no one else has even acknowledged your desperate attempt to lynch me.
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A: Your sole purpose seems to be to get Fatecrashers lynched, so glasses houses and all that
B: Reread any post while we had that argument. I pointed out lies in each of them.
C: The consensus seems to be, as layed out by ButteredToast in a recentish post, that your posts come across as more stupid than intentionally misleading. But I've played on a team with you recently, so if I grind your gears, it's because I have more respect for you than that. With Jalmont I can never be certain, but with you I just can't buy.

Jalmont said:
2. did not consider me a lynch target UNTIL someone else brought forth the idea which led von to backtrack and vote for me
3. gave shitty reasoning as to why he had changed his mind, which included an easily avoidable lie as to why i voted pokeguy
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No, I gave Amianki's reasoning. He gave an argument, I agreed with it. See unlike you, who has stated to another player in this game "you won't reform me", I can listen to people, take input, and be swayed. That's probably an alien concept to you, but I'm gonna put it out there so there's no confusion.

Literally no one knows what you are talking about in regards to Pokeguy either. The reasoning that lynch started was bad, that is what I have said, that is what anyone with half a brain has said, it is still being said now and has in fact spread to Sunny. You say you jumped onto the lynch to save your skin, but with two votes on you, and that's not reasoning. When you join a lynch without reasons of your own, you are accepting the original reasoning. That is what we call bandwagoning. That is what you did. And you should have known better after YOUR lynch on Cancerous failed.
 
The only players other than the accused who seemed flippant about my posts were Celever (and we ignore him) and Serious Bananas, who never really explained himself or has posted much at all, so I don't know what his deal is.
 
ButteredToast said that he'd make a final review for lynching HD, and that's what I'm waiting on. I have every intention at this point to throw my vote behind it. Like Starwarsfan in the last NOC game, this one just seems like ripping off a bandaid to me.

Since some of us are acting a bit panicked about the voting situation, and pushing things forward that have no business being pushed forward, I honestly had just better:
Unvote
Vote Haunted Diamond
 
I've been in favor of haunted diamond the whole time, so I'm going vote for him at the end up this post. Along with everything she I've said about him, I think my biggest problem is that he seems more concerned with how he is perceived rather than actually helping the village find the mafia. All his stuff wording about bit being taken seriously and being looked down on fire using certain strategies just bothers me. I just sent feel like a villager would be worried about these things. Also, nobody is going to look down on a tactic if it worked.

I really hate the pokeguy train. The lack of any change in style after being attacked just makes me think he is just somewhat uninterested. Sunny has at least tried to seem useful while still being rather useless, so if be more willing to vote there.

I still want to watch fate more before being willing to vote there.

Thus, vote haunted diamond
 
let it be known that vonfiedler did not refute points 1 and 4 and also that vonfiedler is again resorting to ad hominem in order to pretend to appear logical when the reality his reasoning is far removed from any sort of reality except in his (supposedly) brilliant mind

vonFiedler said:
No, I gave Amianki's reasoning. He gave an argument, I agreed with it. See unlike you, who has stated to another player in this game "you won't reform me", I can listen to people, take input, and be swayed. That's probably an alien concept to you, but I'm gonna put it out there so there's no confusion.
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Um but you realize that Amianki's reasoning was: x post has "stretched logic and strawmans" - how is that any different than claiming my posts were "bold/blatant lies"? are you telling me that the revelation of amianki's of my post all of a sudden convinced you that i was scum. "not only are his posts lies, they have strawmans and stretched logic, clear mafia!" wat

Literally no one knows what you are talking about in regards to Pokeguy either. The reasoning that lynch started was bad, that is what I have said, that is what anyone with half a brain has said, it is still being said now and has in fact spread to Sunny. You say you jumped onto the lynch to save your skin, but with two votes on you, and that's not reasoning. When you join a lynch without reasons of your own, you are accepting the original reasoning. That is what we call bandwagoning. That is what you did. And you should have known better after YOUR lynch on Cancerous failed.
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yo guys guess who made this post

??? said:
Stop using "people" and "everybody" when you are talking about yourself. It is pathetically unbecoming.
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Guess who is know using similar language, which I have been told not to use! damn dude what's happening, feeling flustered??

anyways, my understanding was that deadline was in 72 hours so that it was coming, and naturally since being lynched goes against my win condition. It's not a bandwagon vote if it's a vote to save myself considering that any vote other than myself if I am village has a higher percentage of being mafia.

since when is the cancerous lynch my lynch? that seems to insinuate that i am the one person responsible for that lynch, which is just untrue? (that also wasn't a bandwagon vote by the way, so i fail to see how "i should know better" from "my" lynch?)

In any case, this isn't at all relevant to my point which was that you lied about why I voted pokeguy as a reason to vote me. So I'm right about a third point.

Mithril who do u want to lynch (please vote someone???)

pedit: nvm mithril voted
 
I'm glad we saved this wagon til the end of the day so when Haunted Diamond claims BG or some shit we can all freak out. If only we had someone to talk some sense and try to make him claim earlier.

OH WAIT.

It makes absolutely no fucking sense that people were so on my case for asking him to claim after implying he was a power role but then lynching him when he is likely going to claim anyway. The only difference is that we will have less time to come up with a different target and probably fuck it up by lynching noobtown sunny.

Go team!
 
Sorry for inactivity guys, i've been dedicating time to study for exams (which end tomorrow, so I can be a lot more active after that)
I'll try and catch up when i'm taking a break from studying.
 
Guess I forgot to vonFiedler and Celever too since he is the one who asked for it. Post 879 is the HD case in the quotes.

Let me just say that Spiffy is right and we are waiting WAY too long for his because he does have a time delay. And this should have been nipped earlier. But I guess unless you guys were sure he was the best candidate at day two you don't want him claiming.

But I guess late is better than never. Just make sure if you are voting for Haunted Diamond you are doing so even if he doesn't claim.
 
vonFiedler said:
Well, it's trying to determine someone's role. I'm just saying that the circumstances are different when we're looking specifically for an announcer, a role that is useful for nothing else but potentially cleaning someone (though they could be mafia too).
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Alright. I guess I can see how Spiffy's role fishing was a bit different, he at first wanted a claim from Haunted but after being asked/pressured about it, he either clarified or backpedaled (most likely clarified) that he wanted to see if Haunted is the announcer. Now, if we're going to lynch Haunted, I agree that he definitely needs to claim first (since if he is an information role claim or something he can reveal useful info he has (if any)). I'm not sure though. Then again, I have town reads or neutral reads on everyone in the game, which isn't good.

Also, wanted to say that even if there is one scum in Spiffy/Jalmont/Von, there are most likely two other scum (not counting the courier) out there, meaning that it may be a wise idea to set aside that argument (since imo it's going nowhere) and trying to focus on other players.

There was something else I wanted to say about pokey and sunny, but I forgot : /
 
Also is the dynamic of insulting other players in arguments a smogon thing because I see that happening a lot

to make this post actually useful, I think it'd be good if I actually said who i'm town reading/neutral reading.
Town: Celever, von, BT, Spiffy
Neutral: Mithril, HD, Jalmont(tbh I really can't get anything on him, I can't tell if he's trolly town, town who's just frustrated with everyone else, or scum putting up a really good front), Pokeguy, sunny, Fate, Amianki, SB

also autocorrect keeps correcting pokeguy to pokey, sorry.
 
To be fair, HD has flopped on his story a few times about whether or not he is a power role or if he just claimed that to preserve himself because he isn't and he felt that the mafia is listening.

He has done this so much that I can't tell if he was saying he is a power role or not, and maybe that's the point. But I feel like with anyone, they should be given a chance to claim and for us to look at it and determine if it it real or not.

JUST BE SMART if he claims a power role and you know he is lying. If he claims inspector it is probably not a good idea for you as the inspector to jump up and say he is lying. I'm not sure how we are going to go about determining his or anyones claim if he makes one. But if it's fake make sure you don't fuck up and give the mafia your role too.
 
TO ALL WHO THINK I'M SCUMMY:

Please ask me some questions. I don't have the time to go looking through everyone's posts (Half of which are useless), and I think if you can narrow down what you are asking me I could be a bit more helpful to prevent a mislynch (on me).

Please ask your questions sometime within the next hour or so; I've been studying all night for an exam and need sleep.
 
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