I guess it's because Pokemon resembles more like natural wildlife?
And suddenly you have some "God" Pokemon, which sounds rather different than natural wildlife, because it kind of feels too magic-ish.
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And suddenly you have some "God" Pokemon, which sounds rather different than natural wildlife, because it kind of feels too magic-ish.
In a series full of magical creatures who defy the laws of science at every turn, you'd think people would have have realised that the Pokemon Universe was far from natural :P
Yes, but there's still a large group of Pokemon fans that says stuff like "Pokemon should be animals only" when they comment about humanoids, inanimate objects, and god POkemon.
Which is ridiculous since we've had inanimate objects and humanoids since Generation I. Hell, you could call the Legendary Birds gods. In fact, the Japanese version of Pokémon the Movie 2000 did call them gods! So, yeah, I really don't understand that line of thought.
Searing Shot does seem odd to be exclusive since its description says its just a fire ball, something you'd think all Fire-types would be able to do. It would be like an upgraded Ember.
I think Soul Dew's drawback is that it gets banned in almost every competition the Eon Duo are allowed in. :P Though with that said there's kind of no point having it. Don't know what they could do besides decreasing the amount of increase, maybe have its effect differ between what Lati its given to?
She doesn't look like an alien, she looks like an ethereal fairy creature. I think the main thing that gives people the creeps are the eyes, the uncanny valley effect kicks in as she looks human until you see the eyes and they look bug-like.
She doesn't have any pupils and there's barely any white. They're also a faded gray color which isn't a normal eye color.
PokeGods: I think the half arsed-ness might explain why some people don't like it. Honestly I never saw any negative feedback about Arceus, at most I saw people joking about it and saying they should base a religion around it. Anyway it could be since the myth is so simple and easily relateable to other myths it could be people are just filling in the blanks themselves but something is still off. It could also be that despite having a god, Pokemon isn't really making any statement about religion. At most religion just exists, there's nothing praising nor criticizing religion and it could be that some people don't like it because they think why have it if you're not going to say anything about it (because these people never heard of world building, lazy as it is). Also it does sort of create a bit of a ceiling, I mean where do you go after making the Pokemon God? Well apparently philosophy and mortality.
I completely agree. In the games it never mentions that people worship him like a God at all. So if elder scrolls can do it and nobody gets angry how come they get angry when pokemon did something like it, but smaller? It really doesn't make any sense. Also adding on to the game isn't real part non-water type can somehow walk on water like Jesus. I agree it makes no sense. Anyway I got some other unpopular opinions.
Remember the DNA splicers from bw2? Why does it need to exist? I know the combine kyruem with zeckrom and reshiram, but what other purpose is their? Wouldn't it be cool if you could combine other legendaries and non legendaries together? Like Kyogre and Groudon or Darkrai a Cresselia or even Giratina and Arceus?
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The problem is how complex the coding and the sprites will get if they add fusions. We have either trying to find a complex set of designs or something and a way to procedurally generate it or the games will take years upon years to make good fusion designs and hardcoding everything in while not trying to take TOO much space. Yeah, that's not happening.
If we're just fusing just two Pokemon at once, we're up to 519,841 Pokemon without even including alternate forms. This would NEED to be procedurally done and look how crappy that is with just sprites on that Pokemon Fusion site
Actually, it is just 259,560. Fusing together two pokemon of the same species would just get you the same species you started with, and fusing, for example, metagross and magnezone would be the same as fusing magnezone and metagross. This is still a lot, but not quite that many.
For the math, it is 721 (the number of pokemon) * 720 (the number of other pokemon you can fuse it with) / 2 (to avoid double counting pairs).
To respond to a few comments here; I think there's quite a many number of reasons to dislike Pokémon using gods and such; it was honestly done really badly.
For me it is part of what I mentioned earlier. In the same way Gen 5 had power creep, Gen 4 had some insane... in-universe power creep. I'm not opposed to change but Pokémon was never a series about gods and creation and embodying shit, why start now? The previous legends were at least vague and interesting enough to not be seen as the creators of the world, but at most really powerful important figures. Even Mew and Ho-Oh, said respectively to be the ancestor of Pokémon and the giver of life, had limits that didn't make them seem overpowered and fit into the universe.
But then we get to Gen 4, and we feel the need to use Gods for... some reason? I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea, but there seems to be no good reason for it whatsoever. It's not even that interesting - Arceus created the universe, Dialga made time, Palkia made space. Um... great. Cool. I guess. That's nice?
If you're going to do something this big do it with some damn intelligence and reason. Pokémon has like the shittest origin story of any fiction tbh
For me it is part of what I mentioned earlier. In the same way Gen 5 had power creep, Gen 4 had some insane... in-universe power creep. I'm not opposed to change but Pokémon was never a series about gods and creation and embodying shit, why start now? The previous legends were at least vague and interesting enough to not be seen as the creators of the world, but at most really powerful important figures. Even Mew and Ho-Oh, said respectively to be the ancestor of Pokémon and the giver of life, had limits that didn't make them seem overpowered and fit into the universe.
But then we get to Gen 4, and we feel the need to use Gods for... some reason? I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea, but there seems to be no good reason for it whatsoever. It's not even that interesting - Arceus created the universe, Dialga made time, Palkia made space. Um... great. Cool. I guess. That's nice?
If you're going to do something this big do it with some damn intelligence and reason. Pokémon has like the shittest origin story of any fiction tbh
Ah yes, I forgot it's a combination not permutation for this...but at the same time if we were trying to achieve a Kyurem-styled fusion where one part is dominant I'm still correct. I guess it depends on the type and style of the fusion...
Well like megas it could only be available to a tiny few. Also I didn't say I wanted it I just said their was no other point to the DNA splicers. They're basically useless to everything, but Zeckrom, Kyruem and Reshiram. Also if game freak ever added it in they balance it out. Like megas, fusion would be for one per team. Never said I wanted it to happen just said that the DNA splicers had no point to them beyond their basic function and really didn't need to exist.
So Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Lickitung family, Rhydon, Kangaskhan, Tauros, Snorlax family, Sentret family, Sneasel family, Miltank, Tyranitar, Zigzagoon family, Exploud, Makuhita family, Aggron, Rampardos, Garchomp, Rhyperior, Herdier, Stoutland, Audino, Haxorus, Druddigon, Bouffalant, Hydreigon, Bunnelby family, Skiddo family, Pancham family, Furfrou, Swirlix family, and Helioptile family confirmed Pokemon Jesus? Wow, talk about your troves of false prophets. If I had to put my money on one I'd put it on Audino.
(Didn't inlcude Dratini family, Mew, Lugia, Eon Duo, Rayquaza, Arceus, Cubchoo family, Stunfisk, Dragalge, & Bergmite family because they either live in/around water or are Legendaries)
Also you you mean the DNA Splicers? And I thought about other Pokemon fusions myself. After thinking about it I realized that they'd pretty much have to make a unique Pokemon if they wanted to fuse it with older Pokemon (I then went on making an offspring of Darkrai/Cresselia and the Eon Duo who could fuse with the Pokemon needed to create them, but that's another story). But yeah I would like to see them expand on the Pokemon Fusion idea if they do it right.
... I WAS going to end it there but then I saw an entire discussion spun from it! Well I guess I'd explain the criteria I created for myself which I think would work best:
1. There must be a "base" Pokemon, you just can't choose two random Pokemon and have them fuse. A big reason for that is that the HP of the Pokemon would be the "base" Pokemon's HP. It's also why I decided just making a new "base" Pokemon would probably work best.
2. The Pokemon fusing must have some kind of relation to one another. That should drastically bring down the number.
As for Mega Evolution, I think its best for the Base Pokemon to just get a normal Mega Evolution and end it at that.
So people say that like, battlewise Mega Audino or Mega Banette are the worst Megas because they're pretty crap or do so little, right?
And I mean, that makes sense; they're really not that good in battle and they're in their respective tiers and never really used outside of them for a reason.
But honestly the worst mega is Latios.
But why, Kurona? It's a Mega Legendary, and just look at it's stats! Those are fucking insane, it'll destroy everything in battle!
That's true. What's also true is that Latios does the exact same thing but hits harder.
Mega Latios just does nothing different to Latios. It doesn't get a new ability, or a new type, it doesn't even get good enough stat boosts like it's sister to make it different - the special attack increase is outdone by Life Orb, the attack increase is redundant because there's like at least three much better Mega Dragon Dancers, and the bulk... it's nice, sure, but are you really ever using Latios for the bulk? It doesn't even get a +10 speed increase to beat Raikou or Serperior or whatever!
Mega Latios is to me the worst Mega in battle because it does absolutely nothing different or new that the base form didn't. Sure, Mega Audino's crap, I will not argue with that; but at least it actually has unique traits that neither the base form nor any other Pokémon has (healer is still complete bullshit tho). I just can't conceive a reason you'd ever want to use Mega Latios - hell, even if it's for the bulk, you could just run Leftovers and/or Roost if you really wanted to! Or, you know, just run Mega Latias who does it a thousand times better. If you're going to make a Mega which does the same thing as it's base form, just let it do it's job better. Mega Scizor done that. Mega Aggron done that. Mega Blastoise done that. Why couldn't Mega Latios?
And I mean, that makes sense; they're really not that good in battle and they're in their respective tiers and never really used outside of them for a reason.
But honestly the worst mega is Latios.
But why, Kurona? It's a Mega Legendary, and just look at it's stats! Those are fucking insane, it'll destroy everything in battle!
That's true. What's also true is that Latios does the exact same thing but hits harder.
Mega Latios just does nothing different to Latios. It doesn't get a new ability, or a new type, it doesn't even get good enough stat boosts like it's sister to make it different - the special attack increase is outdone by Life Orb, the attack increase is redundant because there's like at least three much better Mega Dragon Dancers, and the bulk... it's nice, sure, but are you really ever using Latios for the bulk? It doesn't even get a +10 speed increase to beat Raikou or Serperior or whatever!
Mega Latios is to me the worst Mega in battle because it does absolutely nothing different or new that the base form didn't. Sure, Mega Audino's crap, I will not argue with that; but at least it actually has unique traits that neither the base form nor any other Pokémon has (healer is still complete bullshit tho). I just can't conceive a reason you'd ever want to use Mega Latios - hell, even if it's for the bulk, you could just run Leftovers and/or Roost if you really wanted to! Or, you know, just run Mega Latias who does it a thousand times better. If you're going to make a Mega which does the same thing as it's base form, just let it do it's job better. Mega Scizor done that. Mega Aggron done that. Mega Blastoise done that. Why couldn't Mega Latios?
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The thing that really irritates me about Mega Latios (and even Latias to an extent) is that they are outright inferior to the Soul Dew I mentioned, which unlike things like Audino, they had the option to use for 3 Generations before the concept of Megas, much less their own, were introduced. At least something like new abilities/typing would make them more distinct rather than an overblown yet underpowered alternative to their signature items.
Even if you consider they only cared about VGC where Soul Dew isn't allowed, U was under the impression the Latis were mediocre options for Doubles, certainly their Megas are with things like Kangaskhan, Salamence, among others as options that not only do something different than their base, but just outright do their jobs better than the Latis do theirs for the Mega Slot.
Whether they accomplish it or not, the other Megas like Banette do something different from their prior form, or have something making them better at the shared role like Mega Scizor.
Even if you consider they only cared about VGC where Soul Dew isn't allowed, U was under the impression the Latis were mediocre options for Doubles, certainly their Megas are with things like Kangaskhan, Salamence, among others as options that not only do something different than their base, but just outright do their jobs better than the Latis do theirs for the Mega Slot.
Whether they accomplish it or not, the other Megas like Banette do something different from their prior form, or have something making them better at the shared role like Mega Scizor.
I remembered when the fake stats were revealed for them they looked so promising.
Latios remained Dragon/Psychic, given Adaptability, and stats increased to 80/110/80/180/110/140.
Latias got turned to Dragon/Fairy, given Multiscale, and stats increased to 80/80/110/110/180/140.
Unlike what we actually got, have these been the stats using a Mega or the Soul Dew would have been a genuine question (or maybe not, thinking about it maybe more balancing was needed). Because that the thing with the Eon Duo, they already have a very powerful item in the Soul Dew that whatever they got sort of has to make you question which one to use. Then again since the Soul Dew is banned maybe they didn't feel they needed to have the Mega forms compete with it. But still at the very least they could have done the type change, Ability swap, and at least the Speed increase (they're based on JETS! I anything maybe the highest stat or them should have been Speed. Heck, even a +10 increase to Speed would have maybe made the Mega a genuine choice compared to the Soul Dew).
In my mind a Mega Pokemon should be, well, a super version of that Pokemon. Yeah we have Pokemon who does things differently from their original roles but there's sort of a justification for it. But then there's some Mega Pokemon who just don't go far enough which in that case why bother? With there being Mega Pokemon who DO go to the nth degree, if there's a Mega who doesn't they might as well not have a Mega since why would you use it? Sure fans of the Pokemon may use it, but at the same time a fan of the Pokemon would also probably wish their Mega form did go all the way.
Latios remained Dragon/Psychic, given Adaptability, and stats increased to 80/110/80/180/110/140.
Latias got turned to Dragon/Fairy, given Multiscale, and stats increased to 80/80/110/110/180/140.
Unlike what we actually got, have these been the stats using a Mega or the Soul Dew would have been a genuine question (or maybe not, thinking about it maybe more balancing was needed). Because that the thing with the Eon Duo, they already have a very powerful item in the Soul Dew that whatever they got sort of has to make you question which one to use. Then again since the Soul Dew is banned maybe they didn't feel they needed to have the Mega forms compete with it. But still at the very least they could have done the type change, Ability swap, and at least the Speed increase (they're based on JETS! I anything maybe the highest stat or them should have been Speed. Heck, even a +10 increase to Speed would have maybe made the Mega a genuine choice compared to the Soul Dew).
In my mind a Mega Pokemon should be, well, a super version of that Pokemon. Yeah we have Pokemon who does things differently from their original roles but there's sort of a justification for it. But then there's some Mega Pokemon who just don't go far enough which in that case why bother? With there being Mega Pokemon who DO go to the nth degree, if there's a Mega who doesn't they might as well not have a Mega since why would you use it? Sure fans of the Pokemon may use it, but at the same time a fan of the Pokemon would also probably wish their Mega form did go all the way.
But hey, at least you got to Soar with the Mega Eons. (Aaaand not even that redeems Mega Latios, because not everybody's a big Soaring fan.)
Anyway, one of my own. There is one particular relationship between the games and the anime that some folks don't like, but I happen to be neutral toward, and in fact find absolutely hilarious (and awesome). The Unova seasons of the anime are during the BW1 era, if I recall correctly. Come BW2, and:
(I intentionally looked for the goofiest picture of her I could find)
Some folks seemed turned off by Iris' anime portrayal. I mean, I liked her, but by my own admission I'm not particularly picky and I don't particularly care if the female companion is an expy of Misty or May, as long as that character can in some way distinguish themselves. But if anything, having her become Champion is quite the character development. This notoriously hyper-but--shy little lady manages to develop the confidence to become Champion. It had me rolling when I found out, but it's also pretty freaking awesome in my book.
Anyway, one of my own. There is one particular relationship between the games and the anime that some folks don't like, but I happen to be neutral toward, and in fact find absolutely hilarious (and awesome). The Unova seasons of the anime are during the BW1 era, if I recall correctly. Come BW2, and:
(I intentionally looked for the goofiest picture of her I could find)
But hey, at least you got to Soar with the Mega Eons. (Aaaand not even that redeems Mega Latios, because not everybody's a big Soaring fan.)
Anyway, one of my own. There is one particular relationship between the games and the anime that some folks don't like, but I happen to be neutral toward, and in fact find absolutely hilarious (and awesome). The Unova seasons of the anime are during the BW1 era, if I recall correctly. Come BW2, and:
Some folks seemed turned off by Iris' anime portrayal. I mean, I liked her, but by my own admission I'm not particularly picky and I don't particularly care if the female companion is an expy of Misty or May, as long as that character can in some way distinguish themselves. But if anything, having her become Champion is quite the character development. This notoriously hyper-but--shy little lady manages to develop the confidence to become Champion. It had me rolling when I found out, but it's also pretty freaking awesome in my book.
(I intentionally looked for the goofiest picture of her I could find)
But anime Iris didn't become Champion, at least not yet. Anime Iris did have character development by the end of the Best Wishes but honestly she didn't change that much. Heck if you go by what her main goal was stated to be at the beginning the series she has accomplished nothing as Axew is only just a wee bit less pathetic in the end compared to the start. At most by the end Iris just got a confidence boost knowing the people who she felt were looking down on her/she failed (the Village of Dragon Elder and Draydon) actually are supporting her and now she's going to REALLY try becoming a Dragon Master. In addition she does now have a powerful Dragonite, but still she was supposed to be improving Axew and honestly she kind of failed there. Oh, it now knows Dragon Rage and Outrage, great, when it evolves maybe it can actually use them.
And please, there's MUCH more embarrassing pictures of Iris out there:
I didn't even like game Iris, honestly. She's still annoying, her Champion dress is overblown, her being Champion at all came from left field (and if you're talking about character development you're kind of kidding yourself because she doesn't really act differently), and Drayden being Champion would have been much more fitting and cooler (though still out of left field somewhat).
I do like her battle theme, but not for a Champion fight. It just doesn't fit.
I do like her battle theme, but not for a Champion fight. It just doesn't fit.
Oddly enough I loved Iris as a champion, from the Gao hype girl that battles you in rainbow road with a dinosaur squad to one of the friendliest battle themes in the franchise that screams I fucking love Pokémon and battles, so let's have a blast with it! aura on it. She was over the top and funny without the need of being an edgelord like Cynthia.
To this day Iris is my second favorite champion after the FRLG rival.
To this day Iris is my second favorite champion after the FRLG rival.
Which, oddly enough, somewhat matches her anime personality. Also, if she ever shows up in another game (not likely, but if a future installment has a PWT-esque thing) she should keep her Excadrill. Stops any Fairies dead in their tracks, and can put up a decent showing against an Ice-type too.
B..but...Cynthia...
...who is my number-one reason for wanting Sinnoh remakes. I'm sure GF will tie Mega Evolution to the creation trio or something somehow, and maybe Primal Dialga will come back, but most of all I want to see Cynthia with Mega Garchomp. Or Mega Lucario. And they said the games were too easy.
EDIT: I felt like Gen IV was a difficulty spike compared to the first three. If they could pull that off again with those remakes or X2Y2/Z (and make a game that would be a challenge with the EXP Share on), that would simply be awesome.
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Actually...this made me have a brain blast.
You know what would have made a tougher battle with Zinnia? She has like at least 3-5 (Wally's, May/Brenden's, Archie/Maxie, maybe the other one, and her own) Keystones at that point. What would have REALLY made that final battle with her memorable is if she used all of those Keystones and Mega Evolved every single one of her Pokemon. She could have had her Salamence and Altaria and then had like a Garchomp that would have Mega Evolved.
You know what would have made a tougher battle with Zinnia? She has like at least 3-5 (Wally's, May/Brenden's, Archie/Maxie, maybe the other one, and her own) Keystones at that point. What would have REALLY made that final battle with her memorable is if she used all of those Keystones and Mega Evolved every single one of her Pokemon. She could have had her Salamence and Altaria and then had like a Garchomp that would have Mega Evolved.
Yeah, but then you'd be introducing multiple Megas, a feature that would probably break the game and centralize competitive play around said Megas. If you only let NPCs do it you'd have some people who would whine about not being able to do it. Unpleasable fanbase, that's what we are.