Why not +5 for Ubers, +10 for OU/BL, +15 for UU/BL2, +20 for RU/BL3 and +25 for everything else? Mega Rayquaza would love to get a chance to wallbreak.
But wouldn't a possible Ubers change also make sense since unlike PU, it is now an official tier, and unlike NFE, it is an actual tier.No. No Ubers, no PU, and no NFE boosts. Stop trying to change the rules in the middle of a generation. (At least the BL change made sense and was how the original TS was intended.)
First of all, think about what you're saying.But wouldn't a possible Ubers change also make sense since unlike PU, it is now an official tier, and unlike NFE, it is an actual tier.
What the hell is the point of boosting the highest tier? That defeats the whole point of Tier Shift. OU is the highest tier allowed now, it doesn't get a boost for a reason.+5 for Ubers, +10 for OU/BL, +15 for UU/BL2, +20 for RU/BL3 and +25 for everything else
Now I feel kinda embarassed. I saw the name Extreme Tier Shift before, but I didn't know what it was about (couldn't find the thread). I didn't think it was an Ubers-based OM. I thought it was just more extreme in the terms the amount of stats boosted to lower-tiered Pokemon. +30 in each stat for the NU and below Pokemon does kinda seem a little bit too extreme though.
That was always my plan, but The Immortal has another idea for the metagame. I'm fine with +20 for the rest of this generation, tho.So now that PU is an official tier, will those mons receive boosts?
Im personally not a fan of lowering the boosts to "fix" the meta. All in all, the boost are already fairly inconsequential, with the entire S-Rank in the viability thread being Ou. TS honestly adds very few top threats right now, and moreso reinforces a few niche mons than anything. Lowering the boosts only worsens this fact.I'm not happy with it because Tier Shift isn't supposed to make lower tier Pokemon better than higher tier Pokemon and more specifically it isn't supposed to make NFEs better than their fully-evolved version. +20 to PU will definitely do that, defensively more so than offensively. I propose the boost be lowered to +4 per tier below OU, that way the PU boost +16 and not +20.
Feel free to comment about which version you prefer with your reasoning being about the metagames. If you don't provide reasoning or if your reasoning is not about the metagames then I will delete your post.
I personally think the way it currently is is fine. A 16,12,8, and 4 boost to everything just doesn't have the same feel to it(as in, it feels kinda awkward when it comes to figuring out stats).
Im personally not a fan of lowering the boosts to "fix" the meta. All in all, the boost are already fairly inconsequential, with the entire S-Rank in the viability thread being Ou. TS honestly adds very few top threats right now, and moreso reinforces a few niche mons than anything. Lowering the boosts only worsens this fact.
Also, how many FE pokemon are honestly at risk of being outclassed? The only ones I can think of are Alakazam, Gengar, and Conkeldurr (which is with +15 iirc). Maybe some other OU threats, but even then that's a hefty majority keeping their niche over their nfe
I'm not happy with it because Tier Shift isn't supposed to make lower tier Pokemon better than higher tier Pokemon and more specifically it isn't supposed to make NFEs better than their fully-evolved version. +20 to PU will definitely do that, defensively more so than offensively. I propose the boost be lowered to +4 per tier below OU, that way the PU boost +16 and not +20.
Feel free to comment about which version you prefer with your reasoning being about the metagames. If you don't provide reasoning or if your reasoning is not about the metagames then I will delete your post.
So confirmed that PU mons get +20 boosts?Agree with everything minus the first paragraph.
I guess we can +20 it for the rest of the gen and review it for next gen. Bringing this topic up in the middle of the gen wasn't what I planned; PU unexpectedly became official.