Unpopular opinions

D_what said:
Gonna try another one.

I think Grass/Dragon mSceptile was a shitty idea and done only for the sake of coolness. Likewise I think most people's "" unique "" suggestions for mega Whatever with an additional Dragon or Fairy typing are also shitty ideas done for the sake of coolness.

See: Dunsparce, Milotic, Rapidash, Mismagius, Serperior, pretty much every mono type without a mega on every Pokémon discussion board ever.

Charizard gets a pass because it was obvious really and Ampharos was a funny pun.
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Well Mega Evolution is often times running on "rule of cool".

Dragon and Fairy do seem like those "special" types which everyone wants to add onto a Pokemon now but of course if they do that they'll make the types no longer special (heck, how glad were players when they saw none of Gen VI Legendaries were dragons?). I'm sure GF knows this so they're going to be selective who gets it, though that said who they think should get it probably isn't going to match what most people think will get it.

Taking your list for example. Dunspace, Rapidash, Mismagius, and Serperior are out of the question. I know there are justification for some, but Dunsparce is more heavily based on a Tsuchinoko than a Mesoamerican winged serpent (so I'm seeing more Normal/Ground, better hope it has something that can rival Huge Power in that case...), they'd have to go out of their way to design Rapidash and Mismagius into something that would be Fairy-type (and if Mega Absol isn't considered a Fairy-type I don't know what they'd have to do to make those two qualify) and people only want Dragon-type Serperior because they think it'll keep/get its Hidden Ability Contrary as its Mega Ability and somehow be able to get Draco Meteor. :P Milotic MAYBE has a shot at Fairy since they go on and on about its elegance and beauty, but if Gyarados didn't get Dragon I have my skepticism about Milotic getting Fairy.
 
To be fair to Rapidash, it's already a unicorn and those are considered mystical and mysterious creatures. Giving it a part-Fairy Mega wouldn't really be much of a stretch.
 
Karxrida said:
To be fair to Rapidash, it's already a unicorn and those are considered mystical and mysterious creatures. Giving it a part-Fairy Mega wouldn't really be much of a stretch.
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Yeah, but at the same time I'd be more wanting to slap a pair of wings on it an make it a unicorn Pegasus which would probably be Fire/Flying. But I think we're starting to get into wishlisting so backing off.

Speaking of odd Mega Evolution type decisions. Found it odd Pinsir suddenly got the Flying-type. Like I suppose it was so it could compete with Heracross and stag beetles do fly, but its just not the first that comes to mind. I also found it funny how Mega Aggron just loses its Rock-typing, no explanation where it went its just gone because even GF knew quadruple weakness to Fighting ain't helping it being a wall. :P
 
D_what said:
Gonna try another one.

I think Grass/Dragon mSceptile was a shitty idea and done only for the sake of coolness. Likewise I think most people's "" unique "" suggestions for mega Whatever with an additional Dragon or Fairy typing are also shitty ideas done for the sake of coolness.

See: Dunsparce, Milotic, Rapidash, Mismagius, Serperior, pretty much every mono type without a mega on every Pokémon discussion board ever.

Charizard gets a pass because it was obvious really and Ampharos was a funny pun.
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I didn't know M-Sceptile was Grass/Dragon... probably because I never use it.
Well....
Something for the facepalm board.
 
D_what said:
Gonna try another one.

I think Grass/Dragon mSceptile was a shitty idea and done only for the sake of coolness. Likewise I think most people's "" unique "" suggestions for mega Whatever with an additional Dragon or Fairy typing are also shitty ideas done for the sake of coolness.

See: Dunsparce, Milotic, Rapidash, Mismagius, Serperior, pretty much every mono type without a mega on every Pokémon discussion board ever.

Charizard gets a pass because it was obvious really and Ampharos was a funny pun.
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I think Sceptile worked as a Grass/Dragon because it was just "lizard" enough to be one. It also knew a number of dragon moves already from over the years. The real problem is that it's still a special attacker when its special attacking movepool is super shallow compared to its physical attacking movepool.

I still can't see Dunsparce or Rapidash getting a dragon/fairy typing at all, ever. Milotic would be nice to get a Fairy typing if ONLY to match up with Gyarados who got a Dark typing (since they are very related to each other and Fairy and Dark seem to now be Pokemon's version of Light and Dark elements). Mismagius and Serperior, if they DO get an added type, I could see being fairy and dragon respectively; however, I can't really see either getting a secondary type though if they got Megas.
 
Darth Manaphy said:
Mismagius and Serperior, if they DO get an added type, I could see being fairy and dragon respectively; however, I can't really see either getting a secondary type though if they got Megas.
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That's the problem, isn't it? All it takes for someone to think "gee, Fairy would be a good idea" is for a Pokémon to be slightly mystical/mythological/magical/cute and round, and this is Pokémon, probably half of everything gets somewhere on that. Most ghosts and psychic types for a start. Likewise for Dragon, all it takes is a vaguely serpentine/lizard/dinosaur/[reptile]-like build or backstory and BOOM Dragon. Hell, rhydon and nidoking are both pretty lizardy. It's cheap and lazy. What's wrong with monotype megas? Or pull an Aggron and drop a type. Hell, where are my Rock types at? I'd be so down for a Rock/Fire MRapidash, flavour be damned (hooves harder than diamond??) Mega "stone"s basically allow anything to somewhat feasibly get rock typing, but nope, everyone's ideas are always fairy or dragon, if not dark/fighting/steel.
 
Speaking of Megas (especially a certain Grass/Dragon), I've been bothered by something that was very common before the release of ORAS:
"Oh no, Mega Sceptile's typing makes it x4 to Ice!"
Seriously, people kept on harping about it. I find this weird for several reasons:
1) There are many strong OU 'mons with x4 weaknesses, like Scizor.
2) There are many strong OU 'mons with x4 weaknesses to Ice, like Landorus.
3) There are many strong Dragons with x4 weaknesses to Ice, like Dragonite and Garchomp. In fact, x4 weakness to Ice is common among Dragons (Zygarde, Flygon, Salamence, Altaria, Rayquaza, and Noivern in addition to Dragonite and Garchomp) yet so many freaked out over Sceptile's weakness.
 
Isn't milotic an oar fish aren't they poisonous or something with slimy skin? As far as I know Japanese folks think they bring good luck, but here in Mexico they where avoided like a plague since them surfacing to the surface often meant the normal fish population would decrease or get unhealthy.

I guess if gamefreak did it's research it could become water poison as it is a consistent statistic fact that when oar fish washed on coast there where issues with low deep fish populations.
 
Norne said:
Isn't milotic an oar fish aren't they poisonous or something with slimy skin? As far as I know Japanese folks think they bring good luck, but here in Mexico they where avoided like a plague since them surfacing to the surface often meant the normal fish population would decrease or get unhealthy.

I guess if gamefreak did it's research it could become water poison as it is a consistent statistic fact that when oar fish washed on coast there where issues with low deep fish populations.
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I don't think biological accuracy was their main concern with Milotic. Not sure about oarfish's importance it different cultures, the only thing I can find about oarfish in Japanese mythology is that them appearing on beaches is a sign of earthquakes. They took some visual cues from it but I think they were more focused on the "ugly duckling" motif (and it being a sort of counterpart to Gyarados).
 
Vader_the_White said:
Speaking of Megas (especially a certain Grass/Dragon), I've been bothered by something that was very common before the release of ORAS:
"Oh no, Mega Sceptile's typing makes it x4 to Ice!"
Seriously, people kept on harping about it. I find this weird for several reasons:
1) There are many strong OU 'mons with x4 weaknesses, like Scizor.
2) There are many strong OU 'mons with x4 weaknesses to Ice, like Landorus.
3) There are many strong Dragons with x4 weaknesses to Ice, like Dragonite and Garchomp. In fact, x4 weakness to Ice is common among Dragons (Zygarde, Flygon, Salamence, Altaria, Rayquaza, and Noivern in addition to Dragonite and Garchomp) yet so many freaked out over Sceptile's weakness.
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It's more the idea that it's 4X weak only compounds how underwhelming it is. Like, the final nail in the coffin sort of idea. It's not quite as good as the likes of Garchomp and Scizor.
 
Kurona said:
It's more the idea that it's 4X weak only compounds how underwhelming it is. Like, the final nail in the coffin sort of idea. It's not quite as good as the likes of Garchomp and Scizor.
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But this was before we knew anything about it except type and ability.
 
Norne said:
Here I was thinking of probable gimmicks for doubles, and then I heard a loud sound, It was the sound of a thousand whiners crashing in echoing about 4x resist to electric and no contrary, -ate skill or speed boost.
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It's more that it's just really underwhelming. Blaziken retains it's smogon-breaking boosting abilities, Swampert becomes a fast and fearsome sweeper under rain to complement it's great attack and bulk; Sceptile... gets... a very gimmicky, very situational, very useless in actual practice ability. Top those off with underwhelming stat boosts and you've got a Pokémon who really really needed something to stand out but got the graceful role of "blocks rotom-w's volt switch I guess"
 
Kurona said:
It's more that it's just really underwhelming. Blaziken retains it's smogon-breaking boosting abilities, Swampert becomes a fast and fearsome sweeper under rain to complement it's great attack and bulk; Sceptile... gets... a very gimmicky, very situational, very useless in actual practice ability. Top those off with underwhelming stat boosts and you've got a Pokémon who really really needed something to stand out but got the graceful role of "blocks rotom-w's volt switch I guess"
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... well at least it got a cool attacking animation where it fires its tail like a rocket.

I think we're beginning to step into "metagame discussion" here. All I'll say it could have gotten a better Ability (though let's be honest, how many Pokemon can we say that about? I'd argue Blaziken and Swampert got lucky more than Sceptile was screwed over), but the Ability does make sense (trees are a prime attraction for lightning bolts and it does increase its Special Attack) design wise.
 
Pikachu315111 said:
... well at least it got a cool attacking animation where it fires its tail like a rocket.

I think we're beginning to step into "metagame discussion" here. All I'll say it could have gotten a better Ability (though let's be honest, how many Pokemon can we say that about? I'd argue Blaziken and Swampert got lucky more than Sceptile was screwed over), but the Ability does make sense (trees are a prime attraction for lightning bolts and it does increase its Special Attack) design wise.
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Well again, it's more that it's a Mega. Megas by their very concept and definition are supposed to be very impressive; so getting something as minor as Lightningrod is... yeah. It doesn't exactly inspire a 'wow' factor as much as the likes of Speed Boost, Adaptability, Aerilate etc.
 
Kurona said:
Well again, it's more that it's a Mega. Megas by their very concept and definition are supposed to be very impressive; so getting something as minor as Lightningrod is... yeah. It doesn't exactly inspire a 'wow' factor as much as the likes of Speed Boost, Adaptability, Aerilate etc.
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Yeah, but it did get a notable type change and stat increases in the right places. Looking through the list of Mega Evolutions I see plenty who I can point out problems with and suggest a better Ability, stats, and/or type.
 
This is probably unpopular then. I definitely like Mega Sceptile. Thing looks like a badass even if it doesn't necessarily play like one, and Treecko is a starter I've found to be unappreciated, so I think it deserves some love.

Come to think of it, there isn't really a starter I dislike. Even Chikorita, the most useless of them in both single- and multiplayer, holds a certain place in my heart thanks to being my first. And it is wonderfully adorable.
 
That said, here's an unpopular one; Chikorita... isn't that useless.
I done a playthrough or two with it and of course it was the worst of the Johto trio; it easily had it's shortcomings in movepool, it was meh, but... it was never really dead weight for me and it actually became extremely good in the Kanto section of the game. It's probably one of the worst starters yeah but it's uselessness is overstated; BW Serperior is so, so much worse.
 
Pikachu315111 said:
I also found it funny how Mega Aggron just loses its Rock-typing, no explanation where it went its just gone because even GF knew quadruple weakness to Fighting ain't helping it being a wall. :P
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I may have a theory, based on these Pokédex entries:

ARON: It usually lives deep in mountains. However, hunger may drive it to eat railroad tracks and cars.
ARON: In order to build up its steel body, it eats iron ore. This pesky Pokémon is known to eat railroad tracks.
LAIRON: Lairon feeds on iron contained in rocks and water. It makes its nest on mountains where iron ore is buried. As a result, the Pokémon often clashes with humans mining the iron ore.
For food, it digs up iron ore. It smashes its steely body against others to fight over territory.
AGGRON: While seeking iron for food, it digs tunnels by breaking through bedrock with its steel horns.

STEELIX: It is thought its body transformed as a result of iron accumulating internally from swallowing soil.
STEELIX: The iron it ingested with the soil it swallowed transformed its body and made it harder than diamonds.

Even though in the earliest Pokédex entries (as well as HGSS), it was stated that Steelix became a Steel-type by being compressed underground for so long, later entries contradict this and now assume that the Pokemon that ingest iron ore will turn into metal themselves because of this. Sort of like a 'you are what you eat' kinda thing.

& ALSO
Mega-Sceptile's tail reminds me of a Christmas tree! ^w^

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Kurona said:
That said, here's an unpopular one; Chikorita... isn't that useless.
I done a playthrough or two with it and of course it was the worst of the Johto trio; it easily had it's shortcomings in movepool, it was meh, but... it was never really dead weight for me and it actually became extremely good in the Kanto section of the game. It's probably one of the worst starters yeah but it's uselessness is overstated; BW Serperior is so, so much worse.
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I made the mistake of choosing Totodile in a recent HG playthrough without training a fire type/Spearow until the Burned Tower Magmar. Please, for the love of God, bring a flying type with you for the Azalea rival battle if you choose Totodile. The combination of Poison Powder, Reflect, Synthesis, and decent defenses on that Bayleef made it Miltank-tier difficult in that match. ;_;

But anyway, Chikorita isn't bad, Johto just hates all grass types. If the important battles weren't so biased against grass types, Chikorita would be just as good as Cyndaquil/Totodile (dat early Razor Leaf).
 
I think one reason Chikorita (and its evolutions) got a bad rap because of the metagame. I find that many Pokemon who don't do so good in the metagame play perfectly fine playing through the game as long as you keep them decently level and don't send them up in a match they're not prepared for and have a disadvantage in (there's a reason you have a party of Pokemon after all).
 
All three Gen 2 starters sucked in competitive until Feraligatr got Sheer Force, and iirc Meganium was the only one that was actually viable in Gen 2. I don't think the metagame has anything to do with it.

The Chikortia line's issue is that their direct competition are fucking amazing for Johto, while they themselves are mediocre at best.
 
Kurona said:
Well again, it's more that it's a Mega. Megas by their very concept and definition are supposed to be very impressive; so getting something as minor as Lightningrod is... yeah. It doesn't exactly inspire a 'wow' factor as much as the likes of Speed Boost, Adaptability, Aerilate etc.
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At least it isn't Healer.

jordanthejq12 said:
This is probably unpopular then. I definitely like Mega Sceptile. Thing looks like a badass even if it doesn't necessarily play like one, and Treecko is a starter I've found to be unappreciated, so I think it deserves some love.

Come to think of it, there isn't really a starter I dislike. Even Chikorita, the most useless of them in both single- and multiplayer, holds a certain place in my heart thanks to being my first. And it is wonderfully adorable.
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I actually love Mega Sceptile. It takes a design that I found generic and actually made it distinctive and cool.
And I love Chikorita. I even have a little Chikorita figurine that I've had since I was little that sits on the shelf by my bed. I only wish that Meganium was useful.
 
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