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So apparently when I didn't play G&F for a couple days, and when I was gone ya'll complex banned Geomancy?
Why...? Why are you complex banning something? Why did you guys, break the sacred rule of suspecting testing? You do realise you opened up a huge box here right?
So personally, I think we should allow Geomany, and ban Xerneas. If not we ban Darkvoid darkrai, we ban sheer for Landorus, download genesect, shadow tag M-gengar, regen ho-oh, drizzle kyogre ect. And I mean allow them as followers. Because why not? We're balancing. No, this is complex banning, and it shouldn't happen.
Unban Geomancy & suspect Xerneas
Why...? Why are you complex banning something? Why did you guys, break the sacred rule of suspecting testing? You do realise you opened up a huge box here right?
So personally, I think we should allow Geomany, and ban Xerneas. If not we ban Darkvoid darkrai, we ban sheer for Landorus, download genesect, shadow tag M-gengar, regen ho-oh, drizzle kyogre ect. And I mean allow them as followers. Because why not? We're balancing. No, this is complex banning, and it shouldn't happen.
Unban Geomancy & suspect Xerneas
Banning Geomancy is not a complex ban. Banning Sheer Force on Landorus, Download on Genesect etc. aren't valid comparisons, as if we were to ban sheer force then mons like Mega Camerupt would also suffer. A complex ban is banning x and y when used together. A simple ban is just banning x. This metagame has banned Geomancy, rather than the use of Geomancy on Xerneas.
So why not Dark void? Nothing besides Smeargle learns Dark void. It's the same? Why not Preciples Blades? Multitype? Seed flare? Psystrike? Stance Change?
Calm down- the only other user of Geomancy is smeargle who can't baton pass it so it's a completely unviable move- dark void is viable on smeargle hence its lack of ban and all other moves/ abilities in question arent what make their particular mon uber. And stance change cant be removed from aegislash. This is OMOTM for 17 more days, the council are much more concerned about having this tier playable for two weeks then completely revamping smogons tiering policy
Smeargle isn't OU viable, it's barely UU much less ubers. It's a complex ban, it shouldn't even be an option. If you think it's anything besides geomancy you're kudding yourself
Because those things aren't broken?? If you don't understand the ban then how about reading the thread discussion prior to it. When has anyone ever complained that Seed Flare is too OP? Things get banned. Pity.
Also how the heck do you expect to ban Shadow Tag on MGar? It's his only option so he goes out the window too. Comparing that to GeoXern is useless because Xerneas still has other sets and can still be used
AJA; If it's ok, we really don't need to suspect xerneas, first of all, with the Geomancy ban Xerneas has received a Huge nerf in it's sweeping set especially with the inability to set up as easily. Geomancy is literally the only the breaks Xerneas as a god. Now Xerneas has actual freedom to run sets, like a physical set or a support set instead of all out sweeper.
You didn't read my message, they are the moves/abilities that elevate these pokemon above OU. Why not remove the moves/abilities and let these pokemon be followers? Yvetal + Darkrai?
And I'm not saying this didn't nerf Xerneas - it does. But it's a complex ban, so it shouldn't be allowed
And I'm not saying this didn't nerf Xerneas - it does. But it's a complex ban, so it shouldn't be allowed
Because the abilities can't be removed and the moves don't make them op other factors do?
Edit: besides, Xerneas can still only be played as a god, you're suggesting dropping ubers down to ou for the sake of this metagame? I hear what you're saying but I think you're on a completely other page to everyone else- this isn't as drastic or rule defining as you think..
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mega diancie on paper sounds decent maybe, but looking at the rock list the only thing im really excited about is T-Tar and Terrakion. just a theory though thats the first OU mon that comes to mind. Maybe Thunderus? frail as all get out but Flying/Electric doesn't sound to terrible as far as team options go and with prankster he seems alright? (maybe?) but personaly i think id prefer to have him as a follower somewhere else. i could also theoretically see a Hoopa-Unbound team. this is all just theory crafting though i havent actually gone out and made any legitimate teams from these guys yet. im not overly convinced that they will be worth trading access to an Uber for, but thats what testing is for i suppose
Non ubers in the god slot is very difficult. The main reason is obvious- unless you absolutely need two mons together, like sableye-goth (which is banned but w/ever), you are mostly better off just skipping it. While uber gods aren't the end all be all of a team, the fact of the matter is is that the uber in the god position is stronger than any given follower the mon can have. This means that you need to need at least two mons from each type provided for it to be worth skipping an Uber, because there are gods for every type.
Unless the entire team is absolutely neccesary, don't bother.
Yeah I'm in agreeance here. The other two things to note is the extreme opportunity cost of not using a uber god and the fact that if your ou god dies your team still gets cursed as if it was a uber meaning it has to be played just as much if not more carefully- I honestly can not see anything truly justifiable, even with the unique types such as diancie, terrakion and heatran- getting one or two mons of an extra type is not worth sacrificing an enormous powerhouse or defensive wall imo. Unless someone can show some high ladder replays (and more than one against competent players), I really can't see anything being above 1 star viable
i agree, i was simply giving the options that had the most potential IMO. every one of them is without any shadow of a doubt weaker (i mean lets face it, why make a mon a god when it can be a follower?) my response was just there in response to 56k's question. i didnt mean to imply that any OU god was superior to an Uber by any means, if there was confusion in that regard thats my bad, i should have been more clear.
lets unban swagger then. since by your logic its complex banning for prankster users too. no, but seriously, banning attacks isn't complex banning. complex banning needs to be "complicated" as in something that is inconsistent. banning a move is NOT complex, because banning a move is similar to just banning an item, or a ability, or a mon, it applies to every pokemon with no exceptions. complex banning is like people have mentioned, you take sheer force off lando, and let sand force be viable. or letting soul dew be usable on non soul dew boosted mons(hence why they just banned the item outright dispite being usless on other mons in ou). complex banning a move would be banning swagger on klefki ONLY. by arguing banning moves is complex, you are also supporting a swagger unban and a prankster ban for the same reason. think about that for a second.
as for why geomancy is banworthy, its because in the current meta, there is no other good abuser. and geomancy is clearly on a league of its own compared to something like dark void, seed flare, or what not. the difference is none of these moves are banworthy. and on top of that, to promote variety banning a move that would otherwise make xern manageable, and not detract from the metagame is a very healthy and non complex way of handling it. and various other metagames have shown, geomancy is a problematic move. like, it single handedly breaks xern moreso then it already is. so its not like the ban would be "questionable" later on. if you want to suspect xern, and unban geomancy, you have to give an actual argument on why xern is broken WITHOUT it. rather then trying to attack the councils opinions with false accusations on what is complex.
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Only potentially worth it if the Pokemon has a type combination not found in Ubers. (So basically any Poison type other than pure, for example) Of course, non-Ubers cover a much wider range of type combinations than Ubers, so that provides plenty of options, but for instance Infernape is questionable to run as your God when you could run (Mega) Blaziken instead.
Even then, I think it needs to be a type combination where the Ubers options of either type are all seriously flawed as a type combination. (Primal) Kyogre has flawed team options, but Palkia's access to Dragons help patch things up, making it hard to argue for an OU Water type like, I dunno, Keldeo: just run Palkia if you don't want the problems mono-Water brings. Or Greninja, maybe
This is further complicated by the fact that the types that lack Ubers representation tend to be... well, pretty bad. There's only a handful of Bugs that are OU-viable, and they're all dual-types anyway. (Though Mega Pinsir does demand an actual Bug-type God, so I guess you might run a Bug god for Mega Pinsir?) Most Poison types are pretty lame, too. Etc. Worse, Dragon is great and is often slapped onto God choices -Zekrom is the only Electric Uber aside from Arceus, but it's part-Dragon typing provides pretty much anything you could care about.
On top of all that, having no Uber-tier Pokemon on your team seriously hurts your ability to cope with Uber-tier Gods. I've swept teams whose God wasn't Uber tier basically by plopping Primal Groudon in front of them and clicking Fire Punch or Precipice Blades every turn until they're dead. Didn't even need to use a setup move. There's just a heavy risk that you can't cope with an Uber-tier God if your own God isn't Uber-tier.
... banning Abilities when they're the only Ability on the Pokemon (eg Download for Genesect) is not comparable to banning a move. You can't use Genesect if Download is banned. You can still use Xerneas.
It's also not a complex ban. A complex ban is "You can't have X with Y" -say, how Baton Pass clause works, where you can't have Baton Pass and Speed boosting and non-Speed boosting.
Oh, fancy that: a standard, complex ban used in... like, every meta.
Also, this isn't Ubers. Part of the problem with Geomancy Xerneas here is that any given team only has one Uber-tier Pokemon at all -so odds are depressingly good that if their God per se can't cope with Geomancy Xerneas that the team is just dead once it gets Geomancy up. In regular Ubers Geomancy Xerneas is good -but it's not "I basically automatically win against most otherwise viable teams once I have Geomancy up".
It seems everyone has done my work for me, but I'll just make an official statement on suspecting Geomancy instead of Xereneas (although I already wrote out 5 points on the post announcing the suspect, so if you're still confused, I recommend checking out that).
Geomancy, like Shadow Tag, is broken in a vacuum, not just because it's good on Xerneas. No other setup move doubles your power, speed and durability in a single turn, allowing you to maximize Special Attack and physical bulk in your EV spread with just enough Speed to still outpace everything. Banning it is not a complex ban, as stated, because it bans usage on all current and future users. If some event came out that gave Mewtwo or something else Geomancy, it would be just as centralizing and I'd probably have to suspect it anyway. I'd also say that the only reason Geomancy is not broken on its other user, Smeargle, is because of another ban that was established to prevent Geo-Pass and its ilk: Baton Passing +2/+2/+2 turned out too be too powerful a strategy (along with other variations on that strategy like Smash-Pass and Quiver-Pass), prompting Smogon to institute an actual complex ban on passing Speed + another stat. This only proves my point: when Geomancy can be transferred to anything else, it's too strong for the metagame. This is doubly true in Gods and Followers, where you may be restricted from using certain checks to a Pokemon due to your type, so if it sets up, that's game over.
I'll agree to unban Geomancy and suspect Xerneas...if someone convinces AAA to unban Chatter and suspect Chatot. However, I think both OMs are justified in these bans for similar reasons, so they will probably stay in place for the foreseeable future.
Geomancy, like Shadow Tag, is broken in a vacuum, not just because it's good on Xerneas. No other setup move doubles your power, speed and durability in a single turn, allowing you to maximize Special Attack and physical bulk in your EV spread with just enough Speed to still outpace everything. Banning it is not a complex ban, as stated, because it bans usage on all current and future users. If some event came out that gave Mewtwo or something else Geomancy, it would be just as centralizing and I'd probably have to suspect it anyway. I'd also say that the only reason Geomancy is not broken on its other user, Smeargle, is because of another ban that was established to prevent Geo-Pass and its ilk: Baton Passing +2/+2/+2 turned out too be too powerful a strategy (along with other variations on that strategy like Smash-Pass and Quiver-Pass), prompting Smogon to institute an actual complex ban on passing Speed + another stat. This only proves my point: when Geomancy can be transferred to anything else, it's too strong for the metagame. This is doubly true in Gods and Followers, where you may be restricted from using certain checks to a Pokemon due to your type, so if it sets up, that's game over.
I'll agree to unban Geomancy and suspect Xerneas...if someone convinces AAA to unban Chatter and suspect Chatot. However, I think both OMs are justified in these bans for similar reasons, so they will probably stay in place for the foreseeable future.
After a long time of inactivity, I hopped back onto Showdown and was intrigued by this metagame. My first thought was to use a strong multi-typed scarfer as my God since it would only come into the fray to grab kills and otherwise opened up my team options with 2 types. Scarf Palkia is an old favorite of mine from Gen 5, so I went with that (dropping Thunder for a dual STAB). After a couple tries, I arrived at this pretty solid team:
Can't drop a full rate cuz haven't tested, but just wanted to point out that if you are struggling with CM users, Acid Spray on Tentacruel effectively neuters them and works better than Poison Jab tbh. It allows you to then spam Scald on a weakened opponent (it drops faster than CM boosts) or revenge kill with Palkia/Washtom. I'd also consider trying Band or BD on Azu as 2 AVs seems like a lot imo
EDIT: ayyyyy post #1111
Hi , going to show a Greninja team , i peaked at 1 , got actually no proof of it sadly . I had no clue there was a ladder for this meta , only latter i noticed it LMAO , i was 24/2 and dropped to 25/7 and lost around 110~120points (4of them are against the same guys and his shaymin-s team if you come by here , big up to you!) Ps: 3Knock off miss in a row on a defiant defog imade me tilt a lot :p
Before descripting the team , let's talk about me :im from UU and got a lot a knowledge about it and that's why there's a lot of this meta impregned into this team (Lastyear before the reset i had 5account top 30-50 and reached some times top 5 , first and snd were actually hold by pif and bob with some much points :s)
I cameback when i heard from a friend dawnt was retested and finally got unbanned <3<3<3 humhum ...
That's all about me there the team ( for being honest set and evs spread migth not be the truth i'll probably post the real one later but you should get the grand line , every decent builder don't give his secret to anyone :PPP)
How i built the team :
So we start with our god ,
Being classed at 2stars you migth think this mons sucks when you can pick some "broken" other god but this thing blows hole , he got so much coverage and sheerpower with a good speedtier
So i needed a rock setter , with our ninja god typing there wasn't that much of good mons who had this post, adding the fact that thing got a flying resist because fly spam is strong af , got acces to a stabbed pursuit for lugia ,latias and cie , hit like a truck while being uninvested , phaze aswell and can lure some mons with the right set and evs (kinda helps about what i wrote earlier for the neophyte) while being bulky in BOTH stats because of the sand <3) note: Swampert might be a choice over m-tyra for the electric immunity but isn't couteau-suisse like as tyra (and he's ugly meh) if you do that swap slowbro for the mega version ( let's be honest regenerator core is stupid with the two next mons , they almost 2v6 a lot of bad p-don team/arceus-ground)
Here goes the aids-rege core of slowbro and alomola and got a nice wish for our fatty m-tar , now you are ready to stall with burn/poison+weather dommage , i loved that core before ORAS went out and slowbro got moved to OU (with raikou T_T )
Im a big fan of honchrow, after a moxie it can ohko a looot of thing , you know this thing is dumb after +1 it does half of yvental hp with a suckerpunch .. and it's a bird, because bird spam and we do not get acces of talonflamme with our actual god
Hazard removal was still left , we add another ground immunity acces to a decent fast taunt if you run it over toxic thing i probablly do :p and you beat m-sableye 1v1 after he got m-evolved , overcoat sosandstorm .Despite his apparence and being a UU mons it does really well eating d-metor like a breakfeast
For the list of threat i may be adding it later if ppl asks for it , im done
Have a good day ,)
(http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/godsandfollowers-317694237
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/godsandfollowers-317691713
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/godsandfollowers-317689774
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/godsandfollowers-317701953
I cameback when i heard from a friend dawnt was retested and finally got unbanned <3<3<3 humhum ...
That's all about me there the team ( for being honest set and evs spread migth not be the truth i'll probably post the real one later but you should get the grand line , every decent builder don't give his secret to anyone :PPP)
Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Low Kick
Tyranitar-Mega @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 168 Def / 92 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
- Roar
Mandibuzz @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 240 HP / 216 SpD / 52 Spe
Careful Nature
- Defog
- Roost
- Toxic
- Knock Off
Slowbro @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Thunder Wave
- Slack Off
- Psyshock
Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Ability: Moxie
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Superpower
- Brave Bird
- Pursuit
- Sucker Punch
Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Scald
- Toxic
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Low Kick
Tyranitar-Mega @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 168 Def / 92 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
- Roar
Mandibuzz @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 240 HP / 216 SpD / 52 Spe
Careful Nature
- Defog
- Roost
- Toxic
- Knock Off
Slowbro @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Thunder Wave
- Slack Off
- Psyshock
Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Ability: Moxie
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Superpower
- Brave Bird
- Pursuit
- Sucker Punch
Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Scald
- Toxic
So we start with our god ,
Being classed at 2stars you migth think this mons sucks when you can pick some "broken" other god but this thing blows hole , he got so much coverage and sheerpower with a good speedtier
So i needed a rock setter , with our ninja god typing there wasn't that much of good mons who had this post, adding the fact that thing got a flying resist because fly spam is strong af , got acces to a stabbed pursuit for lugia ,latias and cie , hit like a truck while being uninvested , phaze aswell and can lure some mons with the right set and evs (kinda helps about what i wrote earlier for the neophyte) while being bulky in BOTH stats because of the sand <3) note: Swampert might be a choice over m-tyra for the electric immunity but isn't couteau-suisse like as tyra (and he's ugly meh) if you do that swap slowbro for the mega version ( let's be honest regenerator core is stupid with the two next mons , they almost 2v6 a lot of bad p-don team/arceus-ground)
Here goes the aids-rege core of slowbro and alomola and got a nice wish for our fatty m-tar , now you are ready to stall with burn/poison+weather dommage , i loved that core before ORAS went out and slowbro got moved to OU (with raikou T_T )
Im a big fan of honchrow, after a moxie it can ohko a looot of thing , you know this thing is dumb after +1 it does half of yvental hp with a suckerpunch .. and it's a bird, because bird spam and we do not get acces of talonflamme with our actual god
Hazard removal was still left , we add another ground immunity acces to a decent fast taunt if you run it over toxic thing i probablly do :p and you beat m-sableye 1v1 after he got m-evolved , overcoat so
For the list of threat i may be adding it later if ppl asks for it , im done
Have a good day ,)
(http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/godsandfollowers-317694237
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/godsandfollowers-317691713
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/godsandfollowers-317689774
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/godsandfollowers-317701953
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Ayy look we are tied for rating in this pic :PHi , going to show a Greninja team , i peaked at 1 , got actually no proof of it sadly . I had no clue there was a ladder for this meta , only latter i noticed it LMAO , i was 24/2 and dropped to 25/7 and lost around 110~120points (4of them are against the same guys and his shaymin-s team if you come by here , big up to you!) Ps: 3Knock off miss in a row on a defiant defog imade me tilt a lot :p
Before descripting the team , let's talk about me :im from UU and got a lot a knowledge about it and that's why there's a lot of this meta impregned into this team (Lastyear before the reset i had 5account top 30-50 and reached some times top 5 , first and snd were actually hold by pif and bob with some much points :s)
I cameback when i heard from a friend dawnt was retested and finally got unbanned <3<3<3 humhum ...
That's all about me there the team ( for being honest set and evs spread migth not be the truth i'll probably post the real one later but you should get the grand line , every decent builder don't give his secret to anyone :PPP)
How i built the team :Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Low Kick
Tyranitar-Mega @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 168 Def / 92 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
- Roar
Mandibuzz @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 240 HP / 216 SpD / 52 Spe
Careful Nature
- Defog
- Roost
- Toxic
- Knock Off
Slowbro @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Thunder Wave
- Slack Off
- Psyshock
Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Ability: Moxie
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Superpower
- Brave Bird
- Pursuit
- Sucker Punch
Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Scald
- Toxic
So we start with our god ,
Being classed at 2stars you migth think this mons sucks when you can pick some "broken" other god but this thing blows hole , he got so much coverage and sheerpower with a good speedtier
So i needed a rock setter , with our ninja god typing there wasn't that much of good mons who had this post, adding the fact that thing got a flying resist because fly spam is strong af , got acces to a stabbed pursuit for lugia ,latias and cie , hit like a truck while being uninvested , phaze aswell and can lure some mons with the right set and evs (kinda helps about what i wrote earlier for the neophyte) while being bulky in BOTH stats because of the sand <3) note: Swampert might be a choice over m-tyra for the electric immunity but isn't couteau-suisse like as tyra (and he's ugly meh) if you do that swap slowbro for the mega version ( let's be honest regenerator core is stupid with the two next mons , they almost 2v6 a lot of bad p-don team/arceus-ground)
Here goes the aids-rege core of slowbro and alomola and got a nice wish for our fatty m-tar , now you are ready to stall with burn/poison+weather dommage , i loved that core before ORAS went out and slowbro got moved to OU (with raikou T_T )
Im a big fan of honchrow, after a moxie it can ohko a looot of thing , you know this thing is dumb after +1 it does half of yvental hp with a suckerpunch .. and it's a bird, because bird spam and we do not get acces of talonflamme with our actual god
Hazard removal was still left , we add another ground immunity acces to a decent fast taunt if you run it over toxic thing i probablly do :p and you beat m-sableye 1v1 after he got m-evolved , overcoat sosandstorm.Despite his apparence and being a UU mons it does really well eating d-metor like a breakfeast
For the list of threat i may be adding it later if ppl asks for it , im done
Have a good day ,)
The only thing about this team is that I'm not sure why you chose Slowbro to go with Alomomola, when you have Slowking as an option. Alomomola already has impeccable physical defense, as does Bro, but a strong special attacker would kill them both and there goes your Regencore. I would recommend AV Slowking or Lefties Slowking to take special hits and keep the core alive
What is your process for revenge killing electrics such as zekrom, thundurus, rotom, and zapdos? They seem annoying to deal with, which is obvious given the water typing of the team, and they can show up on several teams due to their dual typing.
You mentioned swampert as an option over ttar, and I suppose there's also seismitoad and krookodile. If someone decided to use your team, what weaknesses do you think they would incur if they opted for a ground over ttar? You didn't seem too keen on the idea yourself. Why is that? I'd like to know the team creator's thoughts on that. You have more experience with it after all. Have there been situations where ttar seemed irreplacable?
Another option could be instead of bringing in a token ground type, maybe a strong scarfer or revenge killer would work just as well. Your team is quite slow and those aforementioned electric types outspeed everything except your god. Something with decent speed like keldeo, mega absol, mega houndoom, scarf tar, scarf krook, scarf hoopa, or scarf bish may possibly be worth looking into. It certainly depends on your playstyle. If your team actually works well just the way it is then don't change a thing!
I don't want to come off as being too critical. But I did come here with my own team earlier and I made two improvements to it, one of which was suggested here in this very thread.
Imo the main issue with your team is its slowness, especially against speedy electrics. Due to type limitation it is often a lost cause to build defensively unless we're talking about the very few incredible blanket checks like latias, slowbro, skarm, and ferro. I absolutely support the addition of slowbro and mandibuzz on your team. However, on a greninja team, I think the other 3 teammates should function to either keep up the offensive pressure, or, pivot/volt-turn to get greninja in safely for a kill.
For example what would you possibly do against a zekrom, kyurem, thundurus, filler, filler, filler team? Just accept being CT'd and move on to the next battle? I've definitely done that a few times lol. Such is monotype... Or am I overreacting and you actually have built in counterplay?
So basically, I'm just interested in the inner workings of the team. Happen to have any replays or warstories or anecdotes by the way?
Thank you for posting your team. I'm always interested to see what other people are cooking up in this amazing meta. It is by far one of the best OMs I've ever played, it's extremely fertile ground for creativity, and I'm curious about the direction the meta is heading.
i am feeling very weird by looking at xern's head cutted off although its a geomancy banned(Why do ash have hand around serena?O_O.Imo he deserves a slap).And nice team Saltytears and gratz for peaking #1 n_n
And looking forward to contribute to G&F after Geo banned
And looking forward to contribute to G&F after Geo banned
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I can't determine a good enough type combination not found in ubers that would warrant an OU god. With the choice of an uber, why would one not take it? I can't think of an OU mon with typing so valuable that an uber is worth not using. Ubers aren't that sparce, there are many with dual typing of common, good types. If you want a poison type god, MGar is better than any other poison anyway. If you really want poison types and dark types so you use Drapion... Are you really expecting to win? If you want to use bug types and Genesect's steel typing isn't good enough (why) and so you run a bug flying then you get, what, Yanmega and Scyther? Of the ubers with typings like these, they still perform better than the other options against good teams. OU mons have their niches but just...run them on a team with an uber of their type.
Well there's Gyarados for Water/Flying and Rotom forms for a lot of random type combos, however most of them pretty useless