Steampunk themed London region is highly possible.
According to Masuda's twitter, he had been to London and Shanghai very frequently this year.
So it's highly likely the next region would be London or Shanghai.
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Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)
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According to Masuda's twitter, he had been to London and Shanghai very frequently this year.
So it's highly likely the next region would be London or Shanghai.
Movie summary:
"As Ash and his friends continue their journey, Volcanion drops down from the sky in front of them. Volcanion's object is to recover Magiana, who has been abducted by the "Azoth Kingdom", a city of super-machinery. However, Volcanion and Ash have become linked together by a strange (?????). Will the two of them manage to work together and save Magiana?"
One question from this... As it's already been said, Volcanion absolutely hates humans. So why is Volcanion going out of its way to save Magiana, the Man-Made Pokemon? Wouldn't its hate theoretically spread to things made by humans as well? Or does it take pity upon the machine Pokemon? Or perhaps this is a case like Genesect's, where it wasn't always a machine, but was converted through some means (presumably in Azoth Kingdom), which is what now drives Volcanion's hatred? I want Volcanion's underlying motivation for saving Magiana...
"As Ash and his friends continue their journey, Volcanion drops down from the sky in front of them. Volcanion's object is to recover Magiana, who has been abducted by the "Azoth Kingdom", a city of super-machinery. However, Volcanion and Ash have become linked together by a strange (?????). Will the two of them manage to work together and save Magiana?"
One question from this... As it's already been said, Volcanion absolutely hates humans. So why is Volcanion going out of its way to save Magiana, the Man-Made Pokemon? Wouldn't its hate theoretically spread to things made by humans as well? Or does it take pity upon the machine Pokemon? Or perhaps this is a case like Genesect's, where it wasn't always a machine, but was converted through some means (presumably in Azoth Kingdom), which is what now drives Volcanion's hatred? I want Volcanion's underlying motivation for saving Magiana...
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Some people have theorized that Volcanion pulled a Mewtwo, where it discovered it was man-made and broke free. So, possibly, it's taking pity on another man-made pokemon and is trying to save it?
tbh a new Pokemon doesn't surprise me all that much. They introduced new Megas in ORAS when XY didn't have them in the source code, which some thought wasn't going to happen. And that 70 Pokemon number did seem suspiciously low... maybe a mid gen batch is possible? It would be an interesting idea to give mid gen more life.
Please stop with the 6.5 speculation. It's a dumb idea that was latched onto because of Marriland and there's no real evidence that it's happening. We've had new mon reveals before via the anime that had no impact on the games, such as Munchlax before Emerald. Explain why this wasn't in the game files if Volcanion (who it's starring in the movie with) was since X and Y.
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Well, people think 6.5 is coming for 3 reasons. 1: New Zygarde forms. 2: It fits in with Pokemon's release schedule, and 3: There are still some unanswered questions in X/Y. Personally, I think both 6.5 and 7th gen are possible. I think that a Gen 7 game where you get to go to Kalos after the main story would be awesome, but it's more likely we'll just get one or the other ;-;
Um... yeah, that's what I meant. They're possibly hinting at 6.5 gen, AKA the X/Y sequel Game(s)
6.5 refers to the idea that GF will introduce new completely Mons in the middle of a Gen without changing the region, with the possibility of patching them into earlier games (which makes no sense since GF didn't patch anything new from ORAS into XY).
I'm not denying the possibility of Z, I'm expecting it.
I'm not denying the possibility of Z, I'm expecting it.
"CoroCoro mentions that it is unseen even in the games, and it is not known how to obtain it."-Bulbapedia I find this line interesting. It don't recall them never going and directly mentioning how a pokemon hasn't even been seen in the games before. I don't know, it is most likely just a line to go "o! Look how rare it is!" but it just stands out to me for whatever reason.
Hmm... you know, to me that sounds about a reference regarding the fact that Magiana's information can't be found into either the XY or the ORAS games. I mean, after all we knew about the existence of the Mega Lati, Diancie, Hoopa and Volcanion way before ORAS were released. However, if I recall correctly, they said more or less the same thing about Volcanion, with them saying that it was a Pokemon 'never seen before', but to me this line seems an acknowledgment of the fact that hackers dug out all information about XYORAS and as such Magiana is "unseen even in the games".
I mean it's not unusual to have at least one new new Pokémon appear in the third movie of a major anime arc, for reference:
Lati@s showed up in Pokémon Heroes which was the third Johto movie.
Lucario was the protagonist of the third Hoenn movie.
Manaphy showed up in the movie after Lucario, which was before Sinnoh.
Zoroark was the protagonist of the third Sinnoh movie.
Mega Mewtwo Y showed up in the third Unova movie.
And now from the info we have, it is heavily implied that Magiana has a major role in you guessed it, the third Kalos movie.
So yeah, when you think about it, this is not a left of field, unusual decision, rather a precedented decision that kinda makes sense.
Lati@s showed up in Pokémon Heroes which was the third Johto movie.
Lucario was the protagonist of the third Hoenn movie.
Manaphy showed up in the movie after Lucario, which was before Sinnoh.
Zoroark was the protagonist of the third Sinnoh movie.
Mega Mewtwo Y showed up in the third Unova movie.
And now from the info we have, it is heavily implied that Magiana has a major role in you guessed it, the third Kalos movie.
So yeah, when you think about it, this is not a left of field, unusual decision, rather a precedented decision that kinda makes sense.
It could be, but we still know nothing at the moment. I guess it would depend of whether they want to follow a Colosseum/XD approach (ergo have the new game set in an expanded Kalos and with new events) or if they'll go straight into another region. Having an expanded region with new Pokemon could be something that they have never done, but that doesn't mean that it can't happen. After all, they declared in an interview that they like to shake things up, and that would very well shake some things up.
Two little points I would like to addres to:
In the movie summery magiana been abducted by azoth kingdom-a potetially new villian team for the next game? I dont follow the moviso much so correct me if I'm wrong, but they usually used the villians from the games and not made ones-right?
The pokeball part of magiana bugging me, its made me thinking that it gonna have a trapping ability, just like how trainers use pokeball to "trap" pokemon.
Just some stuff to think about
In the movie summery magiana been abducted by azoth kingdom-a potetially new villian team for the next game? I dont follow the moviso much so correct me if I'm wrong, but they usually used the villians from the games and not made ones-right?
The pokeball part of magiana bugging me, its made me thinking that it gonna have a trapping ability, just like how trainers use pokeball to "trap" pokemon.
Just some stuff to think about
Keep in mind that Magiana is being released in the context of the anime, but not of the games. I could easily believe, following the odd release of the Zygarde forms, that the only reason that we know about her is because the plot of an upcoming movie uses her.
There are two key ideas behind the wait for Z; either Game Freak decided to stall it's unveiling itself, or something has happened that has made the choice for them. Personally, I think that something has happened to make them wait, but because the anime has planned and written, at the very least, plot arcs, they couldn't prevent what the anime was going to release. Sure, if it was the odd episode or two, they might be able to get away with cutting it, but the Zygarde Cell has become a part of an arc, and Magiana is taking part in a movie. It would be difficult to justify cutting either of these. It's easier to just release these pokémon anyway, and let them feed the ferver of attention within the community.
Had the trend of game releases been continued, we would have likely had Z either at the end of last year, or toward the beginning of this one. Assuming that Z is indeed the final game of Gen VI, this would have put Magiana's reveal in the movie at about the same period that Lucario and Zoroark had been revealed in, back in Gen III and Gen VI respectively, and it would have fit the rough schedule that Game Freak has been following for years. But even if it hadn't been, as Karxrida mentioned, Munchlax had been leaked even before Emerald, a full two years before Diamond and Pearl.
I would be fairly surprised if she does end up being obtainable in Z, as I do think that she is a Gen VII pokémon. At the same time, however, I can't deny that it wouldn't be impossible to say that Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion were all red herrings that were provided from the beginning, so that Game Freak could have this big reveal of a new pokémon that catches people off guard. It's really unlikely, in part because they have Mega Pokémon who can basically do the same thing, but it's not impossible.
There are two key ideas behind the wait for Z; either Game Freak decided to stall it's unveiling itself, or something has happened that has made the choice for them. Personally, I think that something has happened to make them wait, but because the anime has planned and written, at the very least, plot arcs, they couldn't prevent what the anime was going to release. Sure, if it was the odd episode or two, they might be able to get away with cutting it, but the Zygarde Cell has become a part of an arc, and Magiana is taking part in a movie. It would be difficult to justify cutting either of these. It's easier to just release these pokémon anyway, and let them feed the ferver of attention within the community.
Had the trend of game releases been continued, we would have likely had Z either at the end of last year, or toward the beginning of this one. Assuming that Z is indeed the final game of Gen VI, this would have put Magiana's reveal in the movie at about the same period that Lucario and Zoroark had been revealed in, back in Gen III and Gen VI respectively, and it would have fit the rough schedule that Game Freak has been following for years. But even if it hadn't been, as Karxrida mentioned, Munchlax had been leaked even before Emerald, a full two years before Diamond and Pearl.
I would be fairly surprised if she does end up being obtainable in Z, as I do think that she is a Gen VII pokémon. At the same time, however, I can't deny that it wouldn't be impossible to say that Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion were all red herrings that were provided from the beginning, so that Game Freak could have this big reveal of a new pokémon that catches people off guard. It's really unlikely, in part because they have Mega Pokémon who can basically do the same thing, but it's not impossible.
The only problem I have with the idea of Magiana being a Gen 7 'mon is that it puts too many archetypes together.
We've had an Event Mon share a movie with a Next Gen mon before (Genesect and Mega Mewtwo Y), and Event Mons sharing the movie with the box legendaries is practically constant. But a movie where an Event Mon, box cover Mon and a next gen Mon share a movie? Something about that seems... odd.
THEN AGAIN MAGIANA IS SHARING THE SPOTLIGHT WITH THOSE TWO ANYWAY SO WHATEVER I GUESS, WHAT IS FOCUS
We've had an Event Mon share a movie with a Next Gen mon before (Genesect and Mega Mewtwo Y), and Event Mons sharing the movie with the box legendaries is practically constant. But a movie where an Event Mon, box cover Mon and a next gen Mon share a movie? Something about that seems... odd.
THEN AGAIN MAGIANA IS SHARING THE SPOTLIGHT WITH THOSE TWO ANYWAY SO WHATEVER I GUESS, WHAT IS FOCUS
if its connected with volcanion why would it be gen 7
Lucario fought with the Regis in it's first film? :|
I think the difference in this case is the Regis already had been revealed and had already shown up in the show too.
This isn't the case with these two, where this is the first anime appearance (or any real official appearance outside of stills) for both. So it doesn't make sense for them not to be strongly linked
and also the regis and lucario are not connected they just fight each other
This isn't the case with these two, where this is the first anime appearance (or any real official appearance outside of stills) for both. So it doesn't make sense for them not to be strongly linked
and also the regis and lucario are not connected they just fight each other
If they were to experiment with releasing new Pokemon during a generation, I imagine they'll follow what they did with the ORAS Mega Pokemon meaning no backwards patching.
Also, it could appear in the game but not be usable. Lucario was mentioned in a Gen III Mystery Dungeon game and both Bonsly & Munchlax appeared in Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness (yes, Bonsly was usable via Battle Bingo, but that was very limited use and I question whether it had the right stats).
Also, Bulbapedia is saying its a Mythical (Event) Pokemon. Did they jump to a conclusion or is this confirmed?
Anyway, discussing the movie, so its been kidnapped by the Azoth Kingdom. Hmm, well there goes some of the things I said, for all I know there could be a whole batch of them.
Oh, typical of my luck: The reveal happens on the first of four consecutive days for me, where I'll be extremely busy from morning 'till midnight, with limited Internet access and time to get on my phone. I saw the reveal earlier today, but was unable to read properly into it, or make replies. Because I'm silly like that, I've logged on after midnight to make a reply here, although I really should have gone to bed. Oh well.
Thinking man that I am, though, I've formed a sort of opinion on the news. Ahem:
What. The. Flip.
First of all, one big BOOO! to Nintendo's marketing department. Releasing such news via a magazine notorious for leaking long before release is simply plain idiotic. Every Pokémon fan in the world with regular access to even ONE Pokémon fansite has heard the news by now. Of course, it could be that they planned for it to go viral, but come on... There are so many official channels to release this through properly, but no. There HAS to be some shenanigans with a Japan-only magazine whose effective release date they have no control over. Way to go...
Also, I'm registering a notable lack of a game announcement here. Magiana is presented as movie news, even though we're overdue for a core series Pokémon game. Pokémon Z, where are you?
OK, thinking it through again, I'm not that confused. There IS presedence for a next-generation Pokémon to be revealed before the release of the last game of its generation: Munchlax was revealed in May 2004, Emerald released in Japan in September that same year. As it has been said, Magiana is only revealed in context of an upcoming movie, NOT in the context of an upcoming game. The difference is noteworthy. This, among other things, leads me to believe Magiana is a Gen VII Pokémon. Also, for what it's worth, Marill, Snubbull and Donphan were featured in the first movie, which came out in Japan two months before Yellow did.
It could be that Magiana will feature in Z somehow. Bonsly featured in XD, as we all know, as a temporary capture with an extremely limited movepool and no method of evolution. Then again, Bonsly was, ah, inconsequential. It was just another Gen IV Pokémon, with an evolutionary relative from a previous generation. It lacks any sort of distinction in later generations, nothing that makes it stick out. They spoiled nothing by putting it in XD.Magiana has no known evolutionary relative (although people are quick to point to Klefki), and has a design too elaborate for me to think it's the next-gen equivalent of, say, Graveler or Cacturne. It could be the next generation's equivalent of Lucario or something, but then I don't think they'd put a half-assed version of it in Gen VI (and by Gen VII standards, a Gen VI "port" would be pretty half-assed, lacking important stuff like signature moves or abilities). And again, Munchlax didn't feature in Emerald.
As for the possibility of Magiana being a Gen VI Pokémon, I could buy it if it weren't for the fact that Volcanion exists. If Game Freak had planned to include more Pokémon in Gen VI than were possible to acquire in the base games, they wouldn't have bothered to put Hoopa, Diancie and Volcanion there for the world to find. They'd have put in Diancie and maybe Hoopa in XY, then made Volcanion ORAS or Z exclusive. Or just have all three be included via patches. They wouldn't have done it halfway by including, say, 4 out of 5 event legendaries in the games. What would be the point of including Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion and Floette-E, more than half of which would be released more than one game post-XY, if they had planned to include a fifth event legendary in the same generation? Conversely, what's the point in making the fifth event legendary accessible in a completely different way than the four others? The games are planned far enough in advance that they'd know about Magiana well before XY shipped. I recall somebody saying in an interview that the process of making XY started some point after HGSS was shipped. I'm willing to guess they have had the entirety of Gen VII planned out since long before ORAS came out.
There is, of course, a remote chance that Game Freak has decided to screw all reason and inexplicably made Gen VI Pokémon not compatible with the Gen VI games. They did break inter-game compatibility with the signature moves of Hoenn's weather trio in ORAS, and the Megas are famously incompatible. Then again, Deoxys-A/D/S were incompatible with Ruby and Sapphire, the Griseous Orb is incompatible with DP, you can't trade a Kyurem-B or -W to BW1, and so on. Incompatbility is nothing new, actually. It's just that they've never made entire Pokémon completely incompatible with the base games. They tend to put everything that needs to be compatible in with the code of every game, then release the actual content later.
So yeah, TL;DR, Magiana remains a Gen VII movie-exclusive in my book for the time being. The next generation's equivalent of Marill/Kecleon/Munchlax/Zoroark/Mega Mewtwo. It might feature to some extent in Z, but I'd be surprised if it were fully catchable, and doubly surprised if it wasn't presented as a Gen VII Pokémon when that time ineviably comes around. Nobody counts Bonsly as a Gen III 'mon, I think nobody will count Magiana as a Gen VI 'mon either.
Thinking man that I am, though, I've formed a sort of opinion on the news. Ahem:
What. The. Flip.
First of all, one big BOOO! to Nintendo's marketing department. Releasing such news via a magazine notorious for leaking long before release is simply plain idiotic. Every Pokémon fan in the world with regular access to even ONE Pokémon fansite has heard the news by now. Of course, it could be that they planned for it to go viral, but come on... There are so many official channels to release this through properly, but no. There HAS to be some shenanigans with a Japan-only magazine whose effective release date they have no control over. Way to go...
Also, I'm registering a notable lack of a game announcement here. Magiana is presented as movie news, even though we're overdue for a core series Pokémon game. Pokémon Z, where are you?
OK, thinking it through again, I'm not that confused. There IS presedence for a next-generation Pokémon to be revealed before the release of the last game of its generation: Munchlax was revealed in May 2004, Emerald released in Japan in September that same year. As it has been said, Magiana is only revealed in context of an upcoming movie, NOT in the context of an upcoming game. The difference is noteworthy. This, among other things, leads me to believe Magiana is a Gen VII Pokémon. Also, for what it's worth, Marill, Snubbull and Donphan were featured in the first movie, which came out in Japan two months before Yellow did.
It could be that Magiana will feature in Z somehow. Bonsly featured in XD, as we all know, as a temporary capture with an extremely limited movepool and no method of evolution. Then again, Bonsly was, ah, inconsequential. It was just another Gen IV Pokémon, with an evolutionary relative from a previous generation. It lacks any sort of distinction in later generations, nothing that makes it stick out. They spoiled nothing by putting it in XD.Magiana has no known evolutionary relative (although people are quick to point to Klefki), and has a design too elaborate for me to think it's the next-gen equivalent of, say, Graveler or Cacturne. It could be the next generation's equivalent of Lucario or something, but then I don't think they'd put a half-assed version of it in Gen VI (and by Gen VII standards, a Gen VI "port" would be pretty half-assed, lacking important stuff like signature moves or abilities). And again, Munchlax didn't feature in Emerald.
As for the possibility of Magiana being a Gen VI Pokémon, I could buy it if it weren't for the fact that Volcanion exists. If Game Freak had planned to include more Pokémon in Gen VI than were possible to acquire in the base games, they wouldn't have bothered to put Hoopa, Diancie and Volcanion there for the world to find. They'd have put in Diancie and maybe Hoopa in XY, then made Volcanion ORAS or Z exclusive. Or just have all three be included via patches. They wouldn't have done it halfway by including, say, 4 out of 5 event legendaries in the games. What would be the point of including Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion and Floette-E, more than half of which would be released more than one game post-XY, if they had planned to include a fifth event legendary in the same generation? Conversely, what's the point in making the fifth event legendary accessible in a completely different way than the four others? The games are planned far enough in advance that they'd know about Magiana well before XY shipped. I recall somebody saying in an interview that the process of making XY started some point after HGSS was shipped. I'm willing to guess they have had the entirety of Gen VII planned out since long before ORAS came out.
There is, of course, a remote chance that Game Freak has decided to screw all reason and inexplicably made Gen VI Pokémon not compatible with the Gen VI games. They did break inter-game compatibility with the signature moves of Hoenn's weather trio in ORAS, and the Megas are famously incompatible. Then again, Deoxys-A/D/S were incompatible with Ruby and Sapphire, the Griseous Orb is incompatible with DP, you can't trade a Kyurem-B or -W to BW1, and so on. Incompatbility is nothing new, actually. It's just that they've never made entire Pokémon completely incompatible with the base games. They tend to put everything that needs to be compatible in with the code of every game, then release the actual content later.
So yeah, TL;DR, Magiana remains a Gen VII movie-exclusive in my book for the time being. The next generation's equivalent of Marill/Kecleon/Munchlax/Zoroark/Mega Mewtwo. It might feature to some extent in Z, but I'd be surprised if it were fully catchable, and doubly surprised if it wasn't presented as a Gen VII Pokémon when that time ineviably comes around. Nobody counts Bonsly as a Gen III 'mon, I think nobody will count Magiana as a Gen VI 'mon either.
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