Pokémon Red, Blue and Yellow to be re-released for the 3DS Virtual Console

I mean, I think you're missing the point of why people buy the boxed and cart versions - they're in limited supply and are no longer made; and hence alongside being the game itself, they're rare collector's items - just like any other old gameboy game.
Eshop titles are not physical, and not limited. There is a huge difference; it's not the game inside itself that warrants the high price. It's the physical property. That's what gives it it's secondary market value.
So I think it's pretty damn ludicrous to say "oh it's fine because it's cheaper than a rare highly-sought after vintage collector's item". C'mon, guys... if every NES copy of Super Mario Bros. rose to, say, $100 on the secondary market, would that therefore make it okay for Nintendo to make the Eshop price point $50?
Yes, it's good that we can now play the game without having to pay ridiculous prices on the secondary market. But that still doesn't excuse the price point they put it up at.
Also this'll be my last post on the matter because I think I'm filling up Orange Islands with it too much.
 
Kurona said:
I mean, I think you're missing the point of why people buy the boxed and cart versions - they're in limited supply and are no longer made; and hence alongside being the game itself, they're rare collector's items - just like any other old gameboy game.
Eshop titles are not physical, and not limited. There is a huge difference; it's not the game inside itself that warrants the high price. It's the physical property. That's what gives it it's secondary market value.
So I think it's pretty damn ludicrous to say "oh it's fine because it's cheaper than a rare highly-sought after vintage collector's item". C'mon, guys... if every NES copy of Super Mario Bros. rose to, say, $100 on the secondary market, would that therefore make it okay for Nintendo to make the Eshop price point $50?
Yes, it's good that we can now play the game without having to pay ridiculous prices on the secondary market. But that still doesn't excuse the price point they put it up at.
Also this'll be my last post on the matter because I think I'm filling up Orange Islands with it too much.
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I have seen non-Pokemon GB/GBC carts at vintage game stores. Trust me, they go for way less than even $20 (I think $10 is the most expensive I've seen a non-Pokemon Game Boy cart at)*. I'm pretty sure you can get a secondhand Xbox 360 game for $10. It's a combination of high demand and low supply (people who already have Pokemon carts want to keep them) that makes Pokemon carts so expensive. I mean, shit, I saw SoulSilver selling used for $50 at GameStop and it hasn't even been out for a decade yet, so that goes to show how high the demand for these games is. I'm pretty sure this also has an effect on the reason the VC re-releases are priced at $10 rather than $5 - basically, Nintendo knows they can get away with selling the Pokemon rereleases for more because even $10 is still considerably cheaper than buying a cart (and the demand for these games is insane), while people aren't going to spend $10 on other VC games if they know they can get a cart for less.

* EDIT: Correction - My friend bought me a copy of Keitai Denjuu Telefang for my birthday, which cost $22. However, as far as I can tell, demand for this game still far exceeds supply considering the game was only sold in Japan and there's global demand for these games.
 
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Adamant Zoroark said:
I have seen non-Pokemon GB/GBC carts at vintage game stores. Trust me, they go for way less than even $20 (I think $10 is the most expensive I've seen a non-Pokemon Game Boy cart at)*. I'm pretty sure you can get a secondhand Xbox 360 game for $10. It's a combination of high demand and low supply (people who already have Pokemon carts want to keep them) that makes Pokemon carts so expensive. I mean, shit, I saw SoulSilver selling used for $50 at GameStop and it hasn't even been out for a decade yet, so that goes to show how high the demand for these games is. I'm pretty sure this also has an effect on the reason the VC re-releases are priced at $10 rather than $5 - basically, Nintendo knows they can get away with selling the Pokemon rereleases for more because even $10 is still considerably cheaper than buying a cart (and the demand for these games is insane), while people aren't going to spend $10 on other VC games if they know they can get a cart for less.

* EDIT: Correction - My friend bought me a copy of Keitai Denjuu Telefang for my birthday, which cost $22. However, as far as I can tell, demand for this game still far exceeds supply considering the game was only sold in Japan and there's global demand for these games.
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Eh, I saw a few others that got expensive depending on the store and how rare the games are. Some of the Game Boy Mega Man games get pretty expensive (it doesn't help that they never really got rereleased).

That's another point. Games are more expensive until they are rereleased in the exact form. I remember Earthbound selling for $300+ used for just the cartridge. I even saw, in one store that had it with its original box and strategy guide though open, it going for $600. (I should have bought it while I had the chance). Now it's still expensive but I can get it for around $200. I can see Pokemon cartridges going down in price with the release of these games.

Honestly, with the price tag being what it is, I'm definitely going wait a little bit in order to confirm that the various glitches (at least those that don't rely on pinpoint resetting) are still in it before I decide if I want to buy it. If I can get the Mew glitch and find Missingno in Blue or Red I'll probably buy it. But if they're not, I'm not getting it until they go on sale or a Mew event is announced that I can actually get to.
 
Darth Manaphy said:
Eh, I saw a few others that got expensive depending on the store and how rare the games are. Some of the Game Boy Mega Man games get pretty expensive (it doesn't help that they never really got rereleased).

That's another point. Games are more expensive until they are rereleased in the exact form. I remember Earthbound selling for $300+ used for just the cartridge. I even saw, in one store that had it with its original box and strategy guide though open, it going for $600. (I should have bought it while I had the chance). Now it's still expensive but I can get it for around $200. I can see Pokemon cartridges going down in price with the release of these games.

Honestly, with the price tag being what it is, I'm definitely going wait a little bit in order to confirm that the various glitches (at least those that don't rely on pinpoint resetting) are still in it before I decide if I want to buy it. If I can get the Mew glitch and find Missingno in Blue or Red I'll probably buy it. But if they're not, I'm not getting it until they go on sale or a Mew event is announced that I can actually get to.
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I don't think they're removing the glitches (As far as I can tell, they definitely didn't censor the Game Corner because the game received a 12 certificate from PEGI, so I'm pretty sure they didn't change anything)

I mean, cart prices will probably go down a bit after the Virtual Console re-releases but they'll still probably fetch at least 20 just for the novelty of having a cart.

EDIT: lol, 1,776th post, 'murica
 
So, after the direct. I think I asked someone this before but maybe I forgot to follow it up.

What Pokemon-specific moves can only be attained in RBY that aren't on newer gens? E.G Water Gun Phanpy being a GSC exclusive. Also... is RNG a thing in RBY for catching Pokemon :| Not sure if there's any point if Bank randomises things like nature or has a really mysterious black-box algorithm for adding/updating newer data to older Pokemon.
 
I think it's pretty impressive that they're able to do this; though it does raise concerns for me about the nature of these games - are they then fixed/updated versions? Will the glitches and stuff like the pre-special split stats be gone? It's a rather confusing anomaly right now.
 
Is the OHKO clause really applicable if a Pokemon has No Guard though, since it bypasses hax :o For all we know, since the Pokemon will have to be almost recreated from scratch, they could very well have the pentagon!
After obligatory hack checks I guess because there's a lot of very abusable glitches otherwise.

I imagine the games will play the same, but there's a mapping used in the bank transfer which is gonna have to be fairly generous with the new data. We can only guess whether they'll only map things like moves/species/nickname/level, or be more thorough and cover IVs.
 
Mew glitch works on nugget bridge in Yellow (Europe). I did it last night. Found it today on youtube here.

Interestingly, stickers came with the yellow 2DS. The stickers were: Pikachu, Eevee, Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venusaur, Charmander, Charmeleon, Charizard, Squirtle, Wartortle, Blastoise, Jigglypuff, Psyduck, Abra and Slowpoke. The glitch involves Abra's teleport and the defeating of a trainer with Slowpoke. I used Butterfree's Sleep Powder to help catch Abra and Mew more easily.
 
That is interesting. Of all the stickers they chose, besides the starters and two icons from the anime, they chose two that have a prominent usage with a glitch (you can also use the Shellder in Cerulean Gym as well for it).
 
While I was happy Gen I was getting a VC release, I wasn't planning on getting it since I own the physical game carts. With this announcement, I want them. I mean, we will now have access to Fissure No Guard Machamp! I've been wanting this thing for years! Anything Goes is going to get interesting!

Also, if the Mew Glitch's Mew can be transferred through Bank, we now have an unlimited source of Mew.


On the price: It's about $5 more than the average GB VC title. This make sense as it had to take some work to get the wireless feature to function. It's not that bad a price. You get a whole game for $10. To compare, you can get about 2 new characters in Smash Bros. for that. I think it is a good deal.
 
Copypasta from the Sun/Moon thread, because I'm in the mood to squish dreams.

Xen said:
Also, friendly reminder that RBY's RNG was never cracked (and probably would run slightly different on 3DS), and breeding doesn't exist in Gen I; good luck getting a Fissure Machamp with decentish IVs
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For cartridge play, perhaps, but on Showdown, all it needs to be is possible, no matter how slim the chances. Dreams aren't completely squished.
 
Xen said:
Copypasta from the Sun/Moon thread, because I'm in the mood to squish dreams.
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Maybe, but perhaps Generation VII compatibility would create a motive to crack RBY RNG. There didn't really seem to be much of a reason to do so before now, but now that there are new moves to use, even in a competitive context where Fissure is banned (Reflect and Counter on a lot of Gen 1 'mons and later 'mons that evolve from them) there's a reason to attempt to RNG abuse RBY. I don't know, just a thought.

There are still Natures to worry about, though, which will probably be randomized upon transfer to S&M, so that's another variable.

EDIT: Rhyhorn gets Counter as egg move, forgot about that
 
Adamant Zoroark said:
Maybe, but perhaps Generation VII compatibility would create a motive to crack RBY RNG. There didn't really seem to be much of a reason to do so before now, but now that there are new moves to use, even in a competitive context where Fissure is banned (Reflect and Counter on a lot of Gen 1 'mons and later 'mons that evolve from them) there's a reason to attempt to RNG abuse RBY. I don't know, just a thought.

EDIT: Rhyhorn gets Counter as egg move, forgot about that
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It will also depend on how they're converted in Gen 7...whether you crack the RNG for Gen 1 is irrelevant if it gets a random nature/sp atk or Def IV when you transfer it up. The IVs will similarly be difficult because even if you can RNG catch (no breeding) a "flawless" pokemon, it's IVs would only be 15.

I'm sure someone will attempt it just because it's what they enjoy doing, but I definitely wouldn't get my hopes up for it.
 
flargananddingle said:
It will also depend on how they're converted in Gen 7...whether you crack the RNG for Gen 1 is irrelevant if it gets a random nature/sp atk or Def IV when you transfer it up. The IVs will similarly be difficult because even if you can RNG catch (no breeding) a "flawless" pokemon, it's IVs would only be 15.

I'm sure someone will attempt it just because it's what they enjoy doing, but I definitely wouldn't get my hopes up for it.
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Of course; we still don't know enough about how it works to determine if RBY RNG abuse would be viable, but if we get a scenario like, say, Sp.Atk/Sp.Def IVs just end up being equal + algorithm that makes 15 DV = 31 IV, it'd definitely be in the realm of feasibility barring the randomized Nature (which can be accounted for by RNGing multiples and transferring until you get the nature you want, or maybe some maniac will try to figure out how to RNG Pokemon Bank). Of course, if we do get a 15 DV = 31 IV algorithm for transfers, that'd most likely mean every IV has to be odd (0 DV = 1 IV, 1 DV = 3 IV, etc.), restricting Hidden Power type to Dark, so that's not without its problems.

So, yeah, I guess what I'm saying is that it's possible, depending on how RBY -> Gen VII transfers are executed.
 
I could have sworn there was an exploit that gave you perfect DVs, but I don't know if it actually exists or how it works.
 
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