Quantum Tesseract , I think thelinearcurve was talking about in sun: 252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 200 SpD Groudon in Sun: 264-312 (65.3 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I've used Lum Groudon for quite a while now and I have to say it's good at its job. Specifically, I've used it as a lead on an offensive team, and there's not many leads that do well against it, with quite a few leads relying on eq to deal with a p-don lead. For an offensive team it also functions as a usable Ekiller check, being able to come in on it and phaze it out, and while it doesn't always KO opponents it puts in a lot of work (e.g. twaving darkrai t1, catching rayquaza switchins with a dtail) and of course sets rocks at the same time.
The fact that non-primal always catches the opponent off guard shouldn't be underestimated either, nor should its ability to deal with keys (I've had it KO 4 keys in a row in the past).
Because of this, I'd certainly consider it to be closer to smeargle, ferrothorn or mega scizor than to tyranitar or bronzong, so I don't think moving it up to B- would be a bad move.
I've used Lum Groudon for quite a while now and I have to say it's good at its job. Specifically, I've used it as a lead on an offensive team, and there's not many leads that do well against it, with quite a few leads relying on eq to deal with a p-don lead. For an offensive team it also functions as a usable Ekiller check, being able to come in on it and phaze it out, and while it doesn't always KO opponents it puts in a lot of work (e.g. twaving darkrai t1, catching rayquaza switchins with a dtail) and of course sets rocks at the same time.
The fact that non-primal always catches the opponent off guard shouldn't be underestimated either, nor should its ability to deal with keys (I've had it KO 4 keys in a row in the past).
Because of this, I'd certainly consider it to be closer to smeargle, ferrothorn or mega scizor than to tyranitar or bronzong, so I don't think moving it up to B- would be a bad move.