Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)

[peaswar]

Swellow always had guts tho.
Noctowl... imo has always been one of the coolest. It was one of the only two-stages, it was defensively orientated with psychic moves as opposed to every other bird, it could only be found at night for the most part, and it was an Owl which sticks out more than the other birds. It just kinda sucked in terms of stats unfortunately.
Unfezant is crap though. It's two claims to fame are gender differences and wish as an egg move. Whoop.

Also, yeah, fire/fighting is an amazing typing. I don't think anyone's gonna dispute that; Blaziken and Infernape are incredible in-game and arguably Infernape is the best in-game starter there's ever been. But as much as I like something I'd eventually like to have something different. If it's the same and it works? Cool... but if it's new and interesting, that's something I'd prefer.

that isn't true, for example, venusaur gets an easy play through the first 6 gyms, and empoleon gets the same for most of them, bar the second and 8th. Infernape is difficult on gym 5 and blaziken has trouble on gym 6. Swampart gets an easy run through all 8. Chesnaught gets and easy playhtrough after the first gym, and greninja only is hard on gym 4.

It'd be funny but I doubt it'll ever actually happen. Most starters tend not to throw a curveball like that, barring a few exceptions like Samurott.

Anyone else think the dog will be the regional rodent replacement? It looks like it'd be normal type.

why don't people like samurott. It is pretty cool?

 

[shockwave527]

I think Fire/Fighting is amazing in-game. You can plow through the NPCs with just a Fire/Fighting type; they're really powerful and have ridiculously strong STAB moves. Besides, Blaziken, Infernape, and Emboar are all different in certain ways. Especially the slow but tanky Emboar.

Also, yeah, fire/fighting is an amazing typing. I don't think anyone's gonna dispute that; Blaziken and Infernape are incredible in-game and arguably Infernape is the best in-game starter there's ever been. But as much as I like something I'd eventually like to have something different. If it's the same and it works? Cool... but if it's new and interesting, that's something I'd prefer.

Fire/Fighting is a good typing, but there's such thing as too much of a good thing. Having 3 starters in a row kind of burns your enthusiasm for the type combo.
Hehehehe, puns.

Fire/fighting is one of the types I most want to see in the game... but just not attached to a starter for once!

 

[Kurona]

that isn't true, for example, venusaur gets an easy play through the first 6 gyms, and empoleon gets the same for most of them, bar the second and 8th. Infernape is difficult on gym 5 and blaziken has trouble on gym 6. Swampart gets an easy run through all 8. Chesnaught gets and easy playhtrough after the first gym, and greninja only is hard on gym 4.

I did say arguably.
Though I do doubt your logic when you say Venusaur gets by easy on the grass, poison and psychic gyms and the same for Greninja on the fairy gym and electric gym. And that Chesnaught gets an easy playthrough period, which is just not true.
And it's not even just about gyms; it's efficient beating your way through every other trainer in the game and of course the league. There is no point in the game bar the water gym Infernape struggles, and if it's literally just one point where it doesn't do well - and I do feel the need to remind you that it gets Thunderpunch through tutor right next to Pastoria - then it's easily one of if not the best starter.

 

[peaswar]

I did say arguably.
Though I do doubt your logic when you say Venusaur gets by easy on the grass, poison and psychic gyms and the same for Greninja on the fairy gym and electric gym. And that Chesnaught gets an easy playthrough period, which is just not true.
And it's not even just about gyms; it's efficient beating your way through every other trainer in the game and of course the league. There is no point in the game bar the water gym Infernape struggles, and if it's literally just one point where it doesn't do well - and I do feel the need to remind you that it gets Thunderpunch through tutor right next to Pastoria - then it's easily one of if not the best starter.

venusaur is able to beat the grass gym pretty easily, i know, and the poison one is decently easy too. The psychic one is pretty hard no matter what you pick, so I didn't count it. Greninja basically outspeeds all of Valerie and Clemont's pokemon so that isn't an issue either, but I catch your drift.
Chesnaught was difficult in the first gym, but grant was easy, korrina was easy, ramos was decent, clemont was easy, valerie was decent, and sweeping the last two gyms bar olympia is easy

 

[dialganet]

A little late on the hypetrain due to work (I'm one of the elders too, 26 and counting) and not being that prone to posting outside my thread, but this piece of news deserves some blabbering.

I love the Hawaii idea of travelling between small (and bigger for plot reasons, allegedly) islands. One of my life dreams is to visit a place where a man can swim between islands in his free time for a mile or two, so... spot on GF, spot on. They aimed high and they hit the mark, for the time being. Graphics are improving significantly too, and if some more pokemon-trainer interaction is introduced (a là HGSS, but better designed and conceived) that will boost immersion and involvement, things I value a lot when I play Pokemon.

Now to the real info... Starters look great. Probably the best batch other than Sinnoh, in my eyes. More than everything, they smell 100% new, and that's nearly priceless. Moreover, they have versatility in what they might become, and that has convinced me to remain spoiler free from their evolution. I will probably book the games within a month and than go Pokemon bunker.

I, for one, do not have my enthusiasm high and out of the chimney for Rowlet. Its design is neat, cute, and with potential, but I really despise bowties and I can't cope with that (but it is necessary to give it its grass starter status, I'd reckon). Still, it remains a nigh top-tier design due to its elegant semplicity, the possibility it entails, and the genuine novelty of it, deviating from the classic green-oh-so-green grass starters. It is also dual type from the beginning, and while it can create both advantages and disadvantages from a type chart standpoint, it does add some complexity and renew what was a Bulbasaur only thing. I don't have the slightest idea of what it might become or how its stats might be distributed and that is, for a serendipity seeker, great.

Popplio is good, very good. I have never fallen in love with Water starters to begin with (I have never started with one, if I recall correctly), so having a new touch in dark blue is neat. At the beginning its nose remembered me of Drilbur a little too much but now it has grown on me, I guess (that was probably just self-defensive association with something I was already familiar with). I have now come to appreciate its look and its hoofs. Its destiny is probably the one of a big sea lion, with a probable secondary typing. Psychic or Fighting seems more probable, it depends on whether GF will take the juggler or the combatant route.

Litten now... easy number 1. Where have you been all this time? I've been waiting for such a concept for a loooong time. I really hope we're going sabertooth/tiger/mountain lion here, once again differing from other starters and relying on black rather than red. I'm pretty much okay with any feline here as long as it stays quadruped and has good stats/typing association. Dark would be an Houndoom carbon copy but Houndoom is one of my favourites, I would use a similar (albeit very different species-wise) concept. Rock and Ground, despite being awful in combination with fire defensively (that would require a really Solid Rock HA to work, haha puns), would wreak in-game and I would cope with that. Poison is uncharted territory, thus inherently interesting. Now that I think of it, I would really like an aggressive black (main) and red (stripes, tale) ancient-flavour tiger with a reverse white and black shiny (where black is the stripes here, or blue for hotter flames reference).

I really hope they get their HA released immediately as in XY because, honestly, Overgrow/Blaze/Torrent are situational and competitively problematic.

Finally, Moon cover legend looks a bit too static as of now while the lion might use some color rebooting, but it's great. I feel we're in for another batch of Mega-starters (might as well as be Gen VI) but I hope GF does not flood us with 25 megas. Megas where a Gen VI big thing and while adding some would be neat and still revamp old mons that sorely need new tools to shine, I'd prefer having 10 new megas and roughly 120 new mons that another 70 like Kalos. I know it does not make a lot of sense for Pokedex completion purposes but hey, I'm a sore grinder and I have already completed the dex in like, all generations.

 

[WaffleTitan]

Honestly, throughout all of my time playing Pokemon games, the only starter that has not been a beast through the majority of the game is meganium and even he wasn't that bad, barring the first two gyms. It comes down to move pool and stuff like that really. In my experience sceptile has been the most beastly ingame (in Emerald), but I'm sure most people disagree. I personally don't believe any starter has that much easier of a time with any game. Either A- you're one running and are overleveled anyway or B- you build a team that helps with the few issues of the starter.

 

[Karxrida]

So are we going to have substantial postgame content at the beginning of a new Gen for once? Or is this being too hopeful?

 

[Siggu]

So are we going to have substantial postgame content at the beginning of a new Gen for once?

Just wait until it's revealed to be a building under construction, or something completely unrelated.

I mean, the "best" postgame content for the first games of a Gen was the Sage hunt "quest" in BW. That should tell enough.

Though I'd be satisfied with just a Battle Tower with a Rental Pokemon facility.

 

[WaffleTitan]

So are we going to have substantial postgame content at the beginning of a new Gen for once? Or is this being too hopeful?

I wouldn't hold your breath, but it does resemble the battle tower. Not a perfect match, but that doesn't matter. Then again, it could just be a tall tower/radio station/mall. Fingers crossed for the battle tower though!

 

[Bice]

Why…? Why does it have to be a stupid cat?? I fucking hate cats!! And to make it worse, I really like owls! But I always choose the Fire Type starter…

Look, I may prefer dogs by a long shot, but I'm not heartless enough to hate cats. :<

Also, I cannot be the only one drawing parallels between Litten and The Judge from OFF. Both are somewhat snarky, both have yellow eyes...

And both are friggin' awesome cats!

 

[hotdogturtle]

So are we going to have substantial postgame content at the beginning of a new Gen for once? Or is this being too hopeful?

That honestly does not look like the same building at all.

 

[Lady Vader]

Look, I may prefer dogs by a long shot, but I'm not heartless enough to hate cats. :<

Also, I cannot be the only one drawing parallels between Litten and The Judge from OFF. Both are somewhat snarky, both have yellow eyes...

And both are friggin' awesome cats!

I agree. If Rowlet hadn't warmed my heart and became my favorite Pokémon, I would have picked Litten.

 

[Darth Manaphy]

Look, I may prefer dogs by a long shot, but I'm not heartless enough to hate cats. :<

Also, I cannot be the only one drawing parallels between Litten and The Judge from OFF. Both are somewhat snarky, both have yellow eyes...

And both are friggin' awesome cats!

I dislike cats because I'm salty that I'm allergic to them. Virtual cats are...ok, I guess?

It'd be a bit more original than another normal/flying.

I remember when Chatot was originally billed as pure flying for a while thanks to a toy that labeled it as such before it was found to be incorrect. It was SO disappointing.

 

[Deck Knight]

Reggie has spoken. All our opinions are invalid.

 

[Bice]

Reggie has spoken. All our opinions are invalid.

tru

of course i was being sarcastic, i respect your opinions, but who cares

 

[Lady Vader]

I, for one, do not have my enthusiasm high and out of the chimney for Rowlet. Its design is neat, cute, and with potential, but I really despise bowties and I can't cope with that (but it is necessary to give it its grass starter status, I'd reckon). Still, it remains a nigh top-tier design due to its elegant semplicity, the possibility it entails, and the genuine novelty of it, deviating from the classic green-oh-so-green grass starters. It is also dual type from the beginning, and while it can create both advantages and disadvantages from a type chart standpoint, it does add some complexity and renew what was a Bulbasaur only thing. I don't have the slightest idea of what it might become or how its stats might be distributed and that is, for a serendipity seeker, great.

Wait, you don't like bow ties?
I have to steal this:

I also have to disagree on the number of new Pokémon. I would prefer a few more Megas (maybe 15) and less new 'mons (about 90), especially since 120 would be larger than everything baring Generation I and V (aka, original and soft reboot).

 

[PsychicAcademic]

I'm very late to the hype after illness, but....

Somehow I dislike Litten the most of all starters that I'm actually had the thought to hope it'll be Fire/Fighting again just so I can laugh hard. Somehow I can throw several (biased) reasons such as its dominantly dark colour with poor balance compared to Fokko, the eyes stolen from my another personal favorite Meowstic, it simply being fire kitten to bait, and my personal vendetta to Fire types, and its stupid whiskers. Yep, I can see my nemeses use this cat.

Also, while I dislike the dominant dark colour on Popplio, I can't resist such a sea puppy even though I know Rowlet is much better designed. Ashimari-kun kawaii~

Maybe I'm saltier than seas of Hawaii....

 

[stage7_4]

reposting here b/c I'm actually dead serious, an owlbear evo chain would be dope

If true, then we'd have [sea] lions, tigers, and [owl]bears. Oh my.

Well, I'm sick of making fun of Popplio (since deep down I actually kind of like him) so let's target the real fashion faux pas here:

GURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRL what are you wearing?

If trainer customization hadn't been quasi confirmed to return, I'd say this is the worst dressed female protagonist ever. That hat is just sooo U G L Y you ain't got no alibi.

While appropriate for the setting, I'm not a fan of the outfits either. The colors just don't pop the way the ones from Gen 3 to Gen 6 do, they just seem too casual. Is it weird that I find appropriate attire too blah? Or am I just really picky? Guess anime has just conditioned me to want impossibly tacky outfits. They need 12 more zippers, and at least another 6 belts!

Again, trainer customization really fixes any beef I have here. Hope the boys get some more fun stuff this time (after my first X/Y playthrough I only did the female trainer 'cause she got all the cool stuff while the guy just gets fedora's and a couple jackets).

Edit*: I'm not done making fun of this hat yet so just let me vent in the hide tabs for a while.

it really is a dumb hat

(get it, it's an Animaniacs reference, come on it's on Netflix now no excuses)

 

[peaswar]

i think its the department store of the region
The city is based of honolulu, and a building that looks just like that is in Honolulu. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Hawaiian_Center
its a bank, we could have a pokemon bank, simiar to the saving money with your mom in HGSS

 

[Vengeance417]

I just hope that we can finally go hatless in this game. I'm just not a hat person irl :L

 

[Mova]

According to Zerudez on DeviantArt (you know, the one who contributed to the fake starter leaks back in March), the official artwork of the starters was not created by Ken Sugimori, but rather Megumi Mizutani. He also mentioned that Yusuke Ohmura drew the box Legends. It's the subtle difference in the artistic style that can be observed by fans all over.

Does this mean that Sugimori is retiring this generation? The world may never know.

 

[Wobblebuns]

If true, then we'd have [sea] lions, tigers, and [owl]bears. Oh my.

Well, I'm sick of making fun of Popplio (since deep down I actually kind of like him) so let's target the real fashion faux pas here:

GURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRL what are you wearing?

If trainer customization hadn't been quasi confirmed to return, I'd say this is the worst dressed female protagonist ever. That hat is just sooo U G L Y you ain't got no alibi.

While appropriate for the setting, I'm not a fan of the outfits either. The colors just don't pop the way the ones from Gen 3 to Gen 6 do, they just seem too casual. Is it weird that I find appropriate attire too blah? Or am I just really picky? Guess anime has just conditioned me to want impossibly tacky outfits. They need 12 more zippers, and at least another 6 belts!

Again, trainer customization really fixes any beef I have here. Hope the boys get some more fun stuff this time (after my first X/Y playthrough I only did the female trainer 'cause she got all the cool stuff while the guy just gets fedora's and a couple jackets).

Edit*: I'm not done making fun of this hat yet so just let me vent in the hide tabs for a while.

it really is a dumb hat

(get it, it's an Animaniacs reference, come on it's on Netflix now no excuses)

She should take notes.

Girl would get banned from Boutique Couture, asap. This is a catastrophe, oh lord.

I actually kinda like the outfit, but the hat and the shoes are blech.

 

[HelenTheHero]

I kind of get what they're trying to do with the hat. Make it be all tropical and stuff. Like an anemone.

But does THIS scream hat?! No. It is an animal. And the female trainer's hat is horrid and if we don't get a hat off feature I'm playing as the male version. At least he has slightly more style.

 

[Cresselia~~]

According to Zerudez on DeviantArt (you know, the one who contributed to the fake starter leaksreallyck in March), the official artwork of the starters was not created by Ken Sugimori, but rather Megumi Mizutani. He also mentioned that Yusuke Ohmura drew the box Legends. It's the subtle difference in the artistic style that can be observed by fans all over.

Does this mean that Sugimori is retiring this generation? The world may never know.

I noticed that Ken Sugimori kept saying he was stressed on Twitter
And he kept sharing photos of Sega stuff
So I have the impression that he doesnt really like his job maybe

 

[Kiga]

I also have to disagree on the number of new Pokémon. I would prefer a few more Megas (maybe 15) and less new 'mons (about 90), especially since 120 would be larger than everything baring Generation I and V (aka, original and soft reboot).

Actually, Gen III introduced 135 new pokémon; technically speaking though, that generation was something of a soft reboot generation itself. 120 is actually average for the amount of new pokémon introduced, even after Gen VI, if you include Gen I in that count. Prior to Gen VI, the average was 130, and that average remains about the same if you count the Megas among the pokémon that were introduced in Gen VI.

I do agree that less new pokémon should be introduced overall, though. Not that large amounts of new pokémon would necessarily be the worst thing, but the issue with adding more and more pokémon is that it can become too much, in some ways. Older pokémon, particularly those who aren't noteable for one reason or another, are often lost in the crowd, and the size of the dex can be intimidating to new or returning players. This is why Megas were a good thing to introduce, Digimon-like trends or not. They let old, and in several cases, forgotten and overshadowed pokémon become prominent again, or even for the first time. That being said, considering the fact that fifty pokémon received mega evolutions this generation, I think that only introducing a small number like fifteen would be a mistake.