To be fair, a lot of pokemon's dex entries are very misleading concerning in-game facts, but I do agree that I doubt Litten will become Rock or Ground. I'd place my bets on Dark or Poison. But this is also GameFreak and they've thrown us curveballs before. I think we'll have an easier time once the awkward second-stage evos come out.
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Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)
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Seriously, I can only think of a couple of good middle stage evos outside of gen 1 and 2 wich both had really cool mid stage designs, Grovyle was cool, gen 4 had none I mean grortle sprite doesn't make it justice and monferno feels like a step down from chimchar appeal, gen 5 was awkward outside of dewot and gen 6 had a slim frog the funny looking quiladin and the almost universally loved Braixen.
I'm in for seeing the middle stage designs to see where they are going, but they can also be misleading, chameleon into Charizard and quiladin into chesnaught come to my mind in big jumps concept wise.
I'm in for seeing the middle stage designs to see where they are going, but they can also be misleading, chameleon into Charizard and quiladin into chesnaught come to my mind in big jumps concept wise.
Agreed. That's why I said I was a hypocrite for supporting pokedex entries. In the Mystery Thread I pretty much always say "the pokedex is the one canon that is best ignored."
On another topic, I think I'm going to try going in as blind as I can for this. I'll pay attention to official press releases, but any info people hack or the eventual discoveries thread I'll try to ignore. I've never really done this for a pokemon game, and it might make it more fun if I know less for a change.
Granted this is easy to say in May. Ask me again in August and I'll probably have a different story.
This will be me just addressing all the Eevee stuff in general that was discussed:
With GF moving away from cross generation evolution in favor of Mega Evolutions with the sole exception being Eevee so its a coin toss whether they'll add one this generation or not. A big factor will be if any of the new mechanic they'll be adding can be linked to an evolution method like they did with Pokemon-Amie. Also with Eeveelutions being the only cross generation evolution they seemingly want to do they could add one or two just for that reason (and the Eeveelutions are popular to boot). However if traditions hold true maybe not, we just got Sylveon last gen and so the may hold off adding a new one this gen going by the logic "less is more". Also Sylveon was coming off from the new Fairy type which was probably a major factor in it being created. Also, we sort of already have a "Sun & Moon" Eeveelution: Espeon and Umbreon. There's factors for yes and no, it's up to GF to weigh them against each other and decide. Personally I wouldn't mind, I think they should add a Dragon-type to compliment Sylveon.
As for Mega Eeveelutions, they'll probably remain monotype and if they get anything that involved their type it'll probably be a new Signature Ability only the
Mega Eeveelutions have (going off the "double mono-type idea", we'll call it "Elemental" which doubles their STAB, resistances, and weaknesses and maybe a batch of other goodies depending on the Eeveelution's type). The only other direction they could go would maybe make them part Normal-type, but I would prefer the former a it leaves room open for a Normal-type Eeveelution. Also I'm going to guess if they do Mega Eeveeutions we're going to get them in the groups they came with (Gen I (Flareon, Vaporeon, Jolteon), Gen II (Espeon & Umbreon), Gen IV (Leafeon & Glaceon), and Sylveon (though if they go with my idea and add a single Eeveelution this gen it can be paired with that)).
This does make me wonder if Litten is based on any particular feline (or trait which I'm leaning towards to with its emphasis on oily fur it licks & fiery hairballs). Though I guess its evolutions may flesh it our more.
Hmm, well if I type in "Sun Lion" into Google I'm going to get a ton of stuff about all the other lion creatures with a mane that's a sun other franchises, but I wonder what I'll get if I type in "Moon Bat":
What the...
Okay, here's the results:
1. "Moonbat" is a insulting term for progressives/leftists.
2. Could refer to a race of bat people shown to be living on the moon in 1835's Great Moon Hoax.
Honestly until we get a description/Pokedex entry on Lunaala I don't think we'll pin down exactly where they got the inspiration (aside from a general connection of the moon being related to night, bats are nocturnal creatures, a flying creature is often seen as an opposite of a land creature, and design wise its easy to make a bat's wings look like a crescent moon).
Speaking of Great Moon Hoax, I think Lunaala really does look like those man-bats. Maybe it's one of the possible inspirations.This will be me just addressing all the Eevee stuff in general that was discussed:
With GF moving away from cross generation evolution in favor of Mega Evolutions with the sole exception being Eevee so its a coin toss whether they'll add one this generation or not. A big factor will be if any of the new mechanic they'll be adding can be linked to an evolution method like they did with Pokemon-Amie. Also with Eeveelutions being the only cross generation evolution they seemingly want to do they could add one or two just for that reason (and the Eeveelutions are popular to boot). However if traditions hold true maybe not, we just got Sylveon last gen and so the may hold off adding a new one this gen going by the logic "less is more". Also Sylveon was coming off from the new Fairy type which was probably a major factor in it being created. Also, we sort of already have a "Sun & Moon" Eeveelution: Espeon and Umbreon. There's factors for yes and no, it's up to GF to weigh them against each other and decide. Personally I wouldn't mind, I think they should add a Dragon-type to compliment Sylveon.
As for Mega Eeveelutions, they'll probably remain monotype and if they get anything that involved their type it'll probably be a new Signature Ability only the
Mega Eeveelutions have (going off the "double mono-type idea", we'll call it "Elemental" which doubles their STAB, resistances, and weaknesses and maybe a batch of other goodies depending on the Eeveelution's type). The only other direction they could go would maybe make them part Normal-type, but I would prefer the former a it leaves room open for a Normal-type Eeveelution. Also I'm going to guess if they do Mega Eeveeutions we're going to get them in the groups they came with (Gen I (Flareon, Vaporeon, Jolteon), Gen II (Espeon & Umbreon), Gen IV (Leafeon & Glaceon), and Sylveon (though if they go with my idea and add a single Eeveelution this gen it can be paired with that)).
This does make me wonder if Litten is based on any particular feline (or trait which I'm leaning towards to with its emphasis on oily fur it licks & fiery hairballs). Though I guess its evolutions may flesh it our more.
Hmm, well if I type in "Sun Lion" into Google I'm going to get a ton of stuff about all the other lion creatures with a mane that's a sun other franchises, but I wonder what I'll get if I type in "Moon Bat":
What the...
Okay, here's the results:
1. "Moonbat" is a insulting term for progressives/leftists.
2. Could refer to a race of bat people shown to be living on the moon in 1835's Great Moon Hoax.
Honestly until we get a description/Pokedex entry on Lunaala I don't think we'll pin down exactly where they got the inspiration (aside from a general connection of the moon being related to night, bats are nocturnal creatures, a flying creature is often seen as an opposite of a land creature, and design wise its easy to make a bat's wings look like a crescent moon).
You know what crossed my mind ? Since the Region in Sun and Moon is based on Hawaii There will may be a lot of new Fire Type Pokemon. I wish they would add a Fire/Grass Type. In my opinion it would be one of the most broken types in the metagame.
On the other hand this type combination is too contradictory.
Hope there will be one.
On the other hand this type combination is too contradictory.
Hope there will be one.
https://i.imgur.com/32Nikxj.png
The HP bar seems longer, at least for me (I stretched the image on Serebii from 300 pixels in width to 400 pixels, and added XY image for comparison).
If the bar has 100 pixels (and this is what using Paint suggests me, although it could be easily enough 96 too...), then that means that HP Percentage Mod is now a standard game feature. Yay.
EDIT: Nevermind. I did an error in calculations. The image doesn't show the entire screen. It's still still somewhat larger, but not necessarily 100 pixels. The SuMo image has 220 pixels in height after stretching, not 240 pixels (which it should have). It's possible that the image is wider or higher than what I shown. The calculations are correct under assumption that Lv. X font did not change, however (it's hard to tell) ("Lv.5" size is the same).
People make mistakes, that's the lesson.
The HP bar seems longer, at least for me (I stretched the image on Serebii from 300 pixels in width to 400 pixels, and added XY image for comparison).
If the bar has 100 pixels (and this is what using Paint suggests me, although it could be easily enough 96 too...), then that means that HP Percentage Mod is now a standard game feature. Yay.
EDIT: Nevermind. I did an error in calculations. The image doesn't show the entire screen. It's still still somewhat larger, but not necessarily 100 pixels. The SuMo image has 220 pixels in height after stretching, not 240 pixels (which it should have). It's possible that the image is wider or higher than what I shown. The calculations are correct under assumption that Lv. X font did not change, however (it's hard to tell) ("Lv.5" size is the same).
People make mistakes, that's the lesson.
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I'm hoping for the same thing. Maybe they could make some kind of tiki fire juggler work. I could see it happening.
Yeah I mean if that Pokemon would have The ability Water Absorb then it'd be so broken. Another Typing Combination which they should add is Normal/Ghost.
One thing I always pray for is that they buff Ice and Bug types. Ice deserves at least two more resistances (Ground and Flying would be nice, I think) and Bug moves should be resisted by less things (seriously, why do Fighting and Fairy types resist Bug?).
types will be Grass/Flying, Fire/Dark and Water in the last evos.
The Grass/Flying type was a big risk to change the type now, the cat looks so sneaky (and the counterpart of fire/fight and fire/psychic is needed) and GF loves mono water.
The Grass/Flying type was a big risk to change the type now, the cat looks so sneaky (and the counterpart of fire/fight and fire/psychic is needed) and GF loves mono water.
Thematically very few fairies where able to endure winter, if ice resisted fairy it would really give it a good resistance. Flying does make sense as no bird is stupid enough to fly on a blizzard nor aircrafts enjoy ice on their wings.
Speaking of Espeon & Umbreon being related to the Sun & Moon, this made me wonder if certain Pokemon that have to do with the sun and moon will have any involvement in the game (be it version exclusive, used by an important NPC, and/or their final stages getting a Mega Evolution; I'm just going to list them):
NOTE: Any doubles I list will be striked out. I didn't want to leave them off a list they counted in since who knows what GF would consider a qualifying trait.
Sun:
Day Evolution: Espeon, Roselia family, Chansey family, Tyrunt family, Riolu family
Sun Stone: Bellossom, Sunkern family, Cottonee family, Petilil family, Helioptile family
Shiny Stone: Togepi family,Roselia family, Minccino family, Floette family
Morning Sun: (Naturally:Espeon, Beautifly, Cherubi family)(Breeding: Venonat, Growlithe, Ponyta, Togepi, Sunkern, Pidove, Larvasta)
Sunny Day Naturally: Magmar family, Moltres,Bellossom, Sunkern family, Ho-Oh, Seedot, Castfrom, Cherubi family, Bronzong, Leafeon, Cottonee, Petilil, Maractus, Fennekin family
Drought: Groudon, Vulpix family, Mega Charizard Y
Other: Solrock, Litleo family
Moon:
Night Evolution: Umbreon, Amaura family, Chimecho family, Gligar family, Sneasel family
Moon Stone: Nidoran families, Clefairy family, Jigglypuff family, Skitty family, Munna family
Dusk Stone: Murkrow family, Misdreavus family, Litwik family, Honedge family
Moonlight: (Naturally:Clefairy family, Oddish, Gloom, Umbreon, Dustox, Volbeat, Illumise, Cresselia, Munna, Noivern)(Breeding: Exeggcute, Sableye)
Moonblast:Clafairy, Oddish, Gardevoir, Swablu family, Lunatone, Cresselia, Whimsicott, Flabebe family, Spritzee family, Slyveon, Carbink, Xerneas, Diancie
(Notable) Nocturnal: Zubat family, Hoothoot family, Gastly family, Staryu, Spinarak family, Houndour, Wooper family, Banette, Duskull family, Rotom, Kricketot family
Other: Lugia, Darkrai
NOTE: Any doubles I list will be striked out. I didn't want to leave them off a list they counted in since who knows what GF would consider a qualifying trait.
Sun:
Day Evolution: Espeon, Roselia family, Chansey family, Tyrunt family, Riolu family
Sun Stone: Bellossom, Sunkern family, Cottonee family, Petilil family, Helioptile family
Shiny Stone: Togepi family,
Morning Sun: (Naturally:
Sunny Day Naturally: Magmar family, Moltres,
Drought: Groudon, Vulpix family, Mega Charizard Y
Other: Solrock, Litleo family
Moon:
Night Evolution: Umbreon, Amaura family, Chimecho family, Gligar family, Sneasel family
Moon Stone: Nidoran families, Clefairy family, Jigglypuff family, Skitty family, Munna family
Dusk Stone: Murkrow family, Misdreavus family, Litwik family, Honedge family
Moonlight: (Naturally:
Moonblast:
(Notable) Nocturnal: Zubat family, Hoothoot family, Gastly family, Staryu, Spinarak family, Houndour, Wooper family, Banette, Duskull family, Rotom, Kricketot family
Other: Lugia, Darkrai
Just a minor nitpick, would it be worth adding Dawn Stone Pokemon to the Sun list?
You don't know this. Final Litten could be the next Greninja and Final Rowlet could be the next Talonflame depending on typing, movepool and (Hidden) Ability.
I always assumed it was because a lot of birds fly south for the winter ;)
If i manage to save up for a 3DS i might finally pick a non grass type stater for my first play through cause Litten looks very dope.
How many Littens does it take to change a lightbulb?
None cause it's already lit fam.
Hmm, this could be a region where the Starter's types are actually fairly represented. Hawaii is made up of volcanic islands (Fire), they're lush with plantlife due to the volcanic soil (Grass), and they're islands surrounded by water (Water). The only type I see having representation problem is Ice (tropical region and all). Maybe next region should be a colder region, like Canada, Greenland, Alaska, Russia, or the Scandinavia countries (or we can throw logic out the window and do Antarctica).
And it's above the other type combination they haven't done yet because?
The type chart as a whole could do a redo/lookover. But GF already did major changes to it so they may not do any more for the time being... or maybe they will. Who knows.
Can we please stop trying to predict the Starter's final evos? As of right now it's pointless, usually a possible theme only comes out with the middle stage as that's the transitional stage. What possible (logical) guesses have been made from what we little flavor info we got, there's nothing more we can do right now.
If we want to discuss possibilities, here's an idea: has anyone looked up famous locations in Hawaii?
Not really. Dawn Stone is more having a Pokemon which evolves into something contradictory evolve into something more fitting. Right now this is only for two Pokemon and it's dependent on their gender.
Because of that whole "It resists Ghost/Fighting coverage!" thing.
Yet still be weak to Dark and only have the Ghost-type resistances. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see it, but I don't think it'll be as impressive as some think it would be.
I'd like to see Physical Dragon/Fighting, Physical Fighting/Ground, Special Psychic/Electric, & Special Fire/Ice just for the potential power they could have. No good defensive types, maybe Fairy/Ghost? Supporters usually are made on their Moves and Abilities rather then typing (and either need to be defensive or speedy).
Hm. Seems that the frequency of "I wish that" and "I'd like to see" and "it could be" on this page has reached critical mass. DHR-107 brought up the idea of locking the thread on IRC earlier today, and I said "let's wait for tomorrow". However, as the discussion currently stands, it's hard to stay away from wishlisting, so I think we'll just hang a golden padlock on the thread for a little while. We'll keep our eyes open, and open the thread when we think something worth discussing pops up.
This news cycle, news and tidbits have had a tendency to come out a little earlier than intended. Sun & Moon themselves were discovered via a trademark office the day before their official announcement. The Japanese names of the starters (and, presumably, legendaries) were leaked early in a similar way. To be on the safe side, and reflect the trends Nintendo has been setting, we're opening this thread a day earlier than what was announced.
Please remember to keep speculation down, or at least, reasonable. Normally, we'd threaten to close the thread if things go out of hand, but since that would kind of defeat the point at this point in time, we'll have to delete posts and hand out infractions and stuff instead. That's not fun, so just stay on the narrow path unless you find something concrete and confirmed to discuss. As always, the OI IRC channel is open to anybody who wants wild speculation or random discussion. I hope you're all looking forward to see the promised news as much as I am!
Please remember to keep speculation down, or at least, reasonable. Normally, we'd threaten to close the thread if things go out of hand, but since that would kind of defeat the point at this point in time, we'll have to delete posts and hand out infractions and stuff instead. That's not fun, so just stay on the narrow path unless you find something concrete and confirmed to discuss. As always, the OI IRC channel is open to anybody who wants wild speculation or random discussion. I hope you're all looking forward to see the promised news as much as I am!
I'm expecting that the announcement will be like the last one, and be in a youtube format since the Japanese tweet had a screenshot of the Japanese trailer. I'm a bit out of the loop with this kind of news though, so has there been anything that indicates that this might not be another trailer?
I think when it hits 9 AM on Thursday, I'm probably gonna refresh both the youtube channel and the Sun and Moon site just in case!
I think when it hits 9 AM on Thursday, I'm probably gonna refresh both the youtube channel and the Sun and Moon site just in case!
I don't think there's anything saying this won't be a trailer. I think the next step for marketing would be to reveal the second stage evolutions of the starters, officially show off our rival, and maybe even include the villain team. I'm a little worried though our expectations might be too high after the great reveal trailer we got with the starters.
Oh, one thing of note that PokeBeach's webmaster pointed out that's unrelated to this upcoming reveal: unless they pull another Victini or change the format for just one Pokemon card, we may have a lower bound on the number of new Pokemon by August. The next Pokemon TCG set and some associated promo cards will feature Magearna as a "standard card" and not an EX. That's interesting because the cards (minus EX and full-art) now have the PokeDex number on them. So, by August we may know at least what the min dex size is.
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