That's still better than playing and competing with Canada/Metro/Europe for the worst record.
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WCop XI General Talk Thread
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they would be able to play for Europe, which—although I understand it's not the optimal situation since Europe doesn't have much team spirit—is probably better than not playing at all simply because of where u were born
If they have enough players to make a team by themselves then it's better for them since I don't think many of them would had been accepted in Europe.
Also, Europe is (or better, should be) a "Last resort" team for dudes whose countries can't manage to create a whole team.
Indeed if you ask me I believe players from already existing countries (like France, Spain, Italy, UK, Greece as well, etc.) should not play for Europe but since TDs are fine with this, well then, why shouldnt I?
It should be totally unacceptable for people to have 0 possible eligibilities under the new rules. There would need to be some sort of team reconstruction/leniency if LA loses so that the players of that region have a team to try for. This could mean turning Brazil into South America or allowing them to play for Spain for "cultural reasons".
This issue is also no different from Asia and Afrabs in the long run. Right now we have the grandfathered people, but in the coming years we won't have many new signups in those regions because people legit in Africa and the Middle East hardly play this game. I don't know what the solution really should be but something needs to be done. Everyone deserves a shot to play.
This issue is also no different from Asia and Afrabs in the long run. Right now we have the grandfathered people, but in the coming years we won't have many new signups in those regions because people legit in Africa and the Middle East hardly play this game. I don't know what the solution really should be but something needs to be done. Everyone deserves a shot to play.
If you're playing for LA/Greece you already have this shot, you are already taking part at the tournament. If you lose at this qualifying phase then you already played your chance to take part to the Group Stage and you lost it, so why you should have a second chance taking part of another team while you already played for another country? If you're playing in LA/Greece then you're locked into these, it's pretty logical.
ABR, I thought you didn't like black people. Why are you playing for Afrabs????
User x is taking part in the bo3 to decide if its greece or LA. User x is on team greece. User x wins his match, but his two greek teammates, y and z, lose their games. User x did all he could to play wcop, yet because of circumstances out of his control, he is not eligible for any team. In what fucking world is this fair? Everyone deserves a chance to try out for one of the 16 teams in any given wcop; it's that simple.
well, i see where you're coming from ABR, but I think your example wasn't the best one. you can argue the same for any team tournament, and even more specifically, the group stages of this tournament. if X player goes undefeated in his group stage matches and the rest of the team loses, he did all he could to continue but his team lost. That's kinda the premise of a team tournament.
i do agree, however, there needs to be some changes to this rule because it seems no one sees the larger picture. Yes, the grandfather clause exists, allowing past Afrabs / Asians to play for their team yet those teams will be very stagnant because of the lack of players in the region in general. And what happens when these players quit? Afrab / Asian teams will just dissipate because the majority of Afrab / Asian players live elsewhere, many in USA / Europe. Even users like Pomman, who was willing to show his passport with his personal information of where he is actually from wasn't allowed to play for his team because he lives elsewhere. there should be some change.
i do agree, however, there needs to be some changes to this rule because it seems no one sees the larger picture. Yes, the grandfather clause exists, allowing past Afrabs / Asians to play for their team yet those teams will be very stagnant because of the lack of players in the region in general. And what happens when these players quit? Afrab / Asian teams will just dissipate because the majority of Afrab / Asian players live elsewhere, many in USA / Europe. Even users like Pomman, who was willing to show his passport with his personal information of where he is actually from wasn't allowed to play for his team because he lives elsewhere. there should be some change.
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To be honest if we don't have enough players in a region to create a team there, why should there be a team? If you are the one and only african player on smogon it's mostly bad luck that you can't have a team and as you can see teams like Greece are here to fill those shoes.
Anyways I think there are enough asian dudes here to have a team asia in the furture, where also the Arab players could play. And I honestly don't know any user who is only eligible for Africa and not living in europe / america.
Anyways I think there are enough asian dudes here to have a team asia in the furture, where also the Arab players could play. And I honestly don't know any user who is only eligible for Africa and not living in europe / america.
The situation with LA players is more comparable to someone being tournament banned. They would not be eligibile to participate in wcop at all, simply because of where they live. It's not that they were on a team and given a shot to play in wcop, the chance was never there in the first place. Let's also take the example of next year's LA residents, who never took part in fighting for the spot of 16th team, yet can't play in this tour entirely irrespective of their own doing.
The issue is coming from the bo3 then, and make greek/latin players eligible for any other participating team isn't the solution.
LA and Greece could had played an entire series like the Final Stage ones, so they could had played with the entire team and every starting player could had contributed in entering the Group Stage. Let a player join two teams in the same edition is the worst thing that can happen, for real.
Also, every year new teams (and those who got eliminated pre-Group Stage) can match the 16th spot to contend the place in the Group Stage so what's wrong?
It's like UEFA Champions League. If you lose at the preliminary phase then you can't leave your team to take part to another one that's actually playing to the Group Stage and claim to play the tournament since you already did that.. for the team who got eliminated at the preliminary phase.
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Isn't this already the case for German/Italian/Spanish/UK/French/Greek players? If they fail to make it to the country's team, they are still eligible for Europe while other people only have one shot at one team they're eligible for.
i've always thought it was kind of strange that something as important as which team gets to compete in wcop is decided by a bo3. that really doesn't make any sense, following this a new team just requires 3 good players to have a shot at competing. the rest of the lineup could be free wins for their opponents for all we know, and that wouldn't be good for the competition at all. making this tiebreak a full 10v10 makes a lot more sense to me. idk if there's enough time for that right now, but something to keep in mind for next wcops maybe.
Yeah indeed I think they shouldnt join Europe at all. TDs say that Regional Teams have priority in choosing them and if they don't, then Continental Teams can choose to pick 'em and they will be locked into Europe for the next editions though.
At least this thing is decided before matches start.
I mean, let's say that Italy plays for 16th spot vs LA. LA wins. Italian players who joined with Italy can't play for Europe. Also, if Europe plays and loses vs LA for the 16th spot then Italian players in Europe can't play for Italy for the same reason.
Priority and locking into teams or not, that person still received 2 opportunities to get into a team while others do not.
How about we just get rid of wcrap altogether because it's one of the worst tournaments ever? Other than Germany, which is a legit team full of hot German guys really fighting for their national pride, every other team is suspect of people faking identities just to play with their friends.
What I'm saying is that 2 opportunities to get into a team is wrong and I agree with you.
Having 2 opportunities to PLAY is way far worse though and this shouldn't be accepted at all. While I can somehow get the regional/continental thing (in which I agree with you), we are still talking about opportunities to get into a team, not to even playing for 2 teams which is obviously worse.
The wrong thing is having 2 chances for 1 single elegibility. If you have more than 1 elegibility then the story is the same as usual.
I've specifically brought up all that to the Senior Staff (including Zebraiken and Oglemi in particular) and have received no response despite it being 5 days and having received a guarantee that I'd have one by today.
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Would make it a picture but its about 1000 words and would be annoying to see if you wanted to just skip over it.
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