If we say 'no one can claim or we lynch them' then we aren't trading claims for bads, we're just wasting our claims.
If we do allow claims, then the bads can waste them without getting lynched.
You have to pick one or the other. You can't argue against using the claims ever, that's foolish. However once we by consensus allow claims, then we don't get to trade them for bads necessarily. We have to use them properly, and that is our main advantage in this game (our large number of roles and ability to claim). Also cleans are absolutely huge in this game because as the game numbers dwindle, having a few cleaned, unkillable people becomes way more valuable. The mafia will start to feel massive pressure to waste kills on our BPV to off him or her, and if we get a 100% cleaned Vegeta I don't see how the village loses ever unless literally every other villager dies.
Have to think about the long term prospects of getting cleans
who can't be killed here. Our best chances of doing that are right now. The mafia is way less likely to go to a 50/50 with a Vegeta now than later, and that guarantees not only a clean now
but a clean at the end of the game. This is what you're all missing here. The late game prospects of having a 100% cleaned Vegeta are insane. The mafia literally can't touch him ever, and they can't do much to the cleaned BPV either.
The other two claims I'm ok with waiting on guilties for, as I mentioned in my post previously. I do think that JoaT should use his check tonight because odds are the game won't last that long with so many roles flying around, and the BG will be more useful when we know more. Vig ought to be idled unless you have a really strong read on someone (
jumpluff pls confirm whether the JoaT will suicide if he shoots a townie or not).
So no, clears are not useless, they are good now and way better later. I don't want to miss out on our opportunity to send a confirmed villager to the endgame 100%, and probably two.
And if we do pressure the mafia into a 50/50 then thats probably even better tbh.
Mithril hit on the main point while I was typing this up: We gain more from our roles than the mafia gain from theirs. By a LOT. We need to empower all roles as much as possible because it benefits us disproportoinately, and don't give me that 'half the village roles should idle' shit LW, if Vegeta claims then the Escort, the BG, and Jailkeeper should ALL be targeting someone who they think is dirty/clean/likely to be killed respectively. No village role should be idling if Vegeta claims, that's mafia talk.
The Bulletproof I feel is a good idea to claim simply because of the late game potential. However if people feel that it's too useless and would rather the mafia try to rand it then ok, I can get on board with that.
Vegeta should be 100% claiming though at the very least.