NOC Dragon Ball Z NOC - Day 4

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There's nothing to say about it outside of what I've already said. He's active lurking just like he did as mafia godfather in ANOCymous. That is why I'm reading him mafia. What more do you want, he's not posted anything to analyze within this game.

I mean I guess I can frame it like this: do you agree that B_T is playing like he did in ANOCymous? If not, why not? If yes, expand on whether you think this means he is mafia or just disinterested.
 
billymills said:
Is there any way we can move deadline up 24 hours? The game started 3 am monday. 10 PM saturday would make a 139 hour day 1. That's two full days longer than the original 90 hours.
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uh, I may have fucked up the math, you're right

I don't remember what I was thinking, I had a lot going on. I wanted to normalise the deadline hour but apparently had the day of the week wrong...

Sure thing, but I'll only be giving a warning shot for people who aren't voting for something/someone. I'm doing a vote total right now
 
Vote count (apologies, this should've been done a lot earlier, at least I'll be able to keep it up to date now)

UncleSam (6) - LightWolf, THE_IRON_...KENYAN?, Flyhn, internet, Haruno, billymills
Jalmont (1) - Da Letter El
THE_IRON_...KENYAN? (1) - King_
Asek (2) - Blazade, Blue_Tornado
billymills (1) - Yeti
internet (1) - Mithril
Blue_Tornado (2) - Jalmont, UncleSam

Not voting: acidphoenix, Asek, macle, rssp1, SteelEdges

Please let me know if your vote is listed incorrectly (or not-listed incorrectly)

This is the last change I'll make to the d1 deadline for simplicity's sake, btw, unless majority occurs or something. Majority is 10 votes. Otherwise, plurality lynch at deadline. Remember you must be voting at deadline
 
jumpluff said:
uh, I may have fucked up the math, you're right

I don't remember what I was thinking, I had a lot going on. I wanted to normalise the deadline hour but apparently had the day of the week wrong...

Sure thing, but I'll only be giving a warning shot for people who aren't voting for something/someone. I'm doing a vote total right now
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can you post explicitly what the new deadline is in EST?
 
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I'd hold back on this lynch for now until, but I'm still keeping an eye on US... I'm in agreement that billy should post more, his attitude is just really odd for him, and reminds me of my old self in that he's basically saying "there's nothing to say so I won't say it".
For now Lynch billymills, likely changing this later if something else comes up, but his behavior is really strange
 
Ok back on and ready to NOC.

So not being able to ISO people honestly sucks, what can you do. Expect content to come from memory rather than multiquotes at this point and please correct me if I miss something important. I haven't been poking the DLE bear yet, but the fact that we haven't heard from him at this point is starting to get very troubling. He hasn't made a crack at being afraid of the 17 man turbowagon yet or followed up on his previous promise to post. Furthermore I value his opinion on a number of the oldboys that I have trouble reading atm, particularly mills and Yeti.

Notable Reads/Events for now:

The suspicion on UncleSam is still kind of weird to me. Part of me wants to say that it's because a large number of people ended up disagreeing with him, another part says that it's because people are getting annoyed, another part says that because he's taken up so much of the content that it's one of the only natural bents for people to take. We've gotten so PTSDed at lynching town on Day 1 off not very little that people who target those with fewer posts definitely seem to be getting a little backlash. This is still UncleSam's town game, but my read on mafia UncleSam is for him to play the same extremely self centered own game focused on clearing his own name. This guy would bus his own team into the ground if he couldn't get away with newbtown lynches. If he's Cell, he really wants Vegeta out because it's the only thing stopping him from being able to act like a good guy and survive to endgame. I also think he's more likely to be mafia than 3rd party because of the way he specifically scumhunted LW as a 3rd party. Overall though I think there's a really good chance he's town.

Yeti's taken about every opportunity she can to take a potshot at me but she doesn't seem to want me lynched either, which honestly reads as more town inquisitive than mafia doubtcasting for now.

I'm not really happy with acidphoenix's content as it stands. Very fillery, not very deep into player interaction. Not very condemning either but this guy's set precedent and that can only make things more difficult. I would support a lynch on him.

I would like to hear what Haruno specifically has to say about every single player in the game that has posted. When you make a noncommittal vote like that not seeming to have anything fleshed out, when you're new to Smogon NOC, and when I felt like I could read you like a book in Metagame, I think it would be useful for me to make you commit to a small opinion on a lot people.

I like the new, post strategy course Flyhn. Keep posting like you have been. He's currently higher town on my list of less actives.
 
Ok a few call-outs before I spend all day traveling:
1. Asek Mithril macle SteelEdges YOU MUST VOTE BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY.
2. THE_IRON_...KENYAN? internet have both made shitvotes/randvotes on me and I'm going to challenge them both to justify their decisions (particularly internet because he was basing it solely off of bandwagoning on Flyhn's logic) within the next 24 hours, so that there is time to respond to the wagon on me before the newly moved up deadline.
3. Da Letter El is playing his mafia game, plain and simple. If he doesn't post within 24 hours then I think it's safe to assume he isn't town (or ought to be subbed tbh)
4. If LightWolf doesn't BOTH justify his lynch vote on me as being permanent (beyond 'I disagree with you') AND make a reads post within the next 24 hours and he manages to get me mislynched with billy, then it's safe to assume he isn't village. Same goes for billymills. Neither of them is stupid/unlucky enough to push a mislynch on me Day 1 that is completely and utterly obvious as well as not make any other reads to be held to in future days. His lynch on me for now is fine given he has plenty of time to change it, but there's just no way village LW finds an excuse for why I'm the actual best lynch today.
5. I'd like to see more attention drawn to Mithril's suspicions of internet because A. I agree with them, B. internet idled as mafia in the last game as well and C. people seem to not know what to comment on outside of me vs. LW.

For reference, these are the players I would be willing to lynch today:
internet/Blue_Tornado/THE_IRON_KENYAN/macle/rssp1 (pending post)/DLE (pending post)/Steeledges (pending post)

I think that lynching anyone other than these would be a mistake, because I think that mafia/3rd Party LW/billymills will be revealed sooner rather than later and I suspect that this list contains at least 4/5 out of 7 of the non-villagers (there's always idling/active lurking town but idling/active lurking mafia is a lot more common).

Haruno needs to post a reads post. It seems that he disagrees with me on strategy stuff but misinterprets possible perspectives for why.

Out most of the day, I'll take a look back later. Might check from phone intermittently.
 
i really dont see sam as mafia atm. hes kinda all over the place but he has a lot of pressure on him. I could see billy and or lw trying to force sam out of the game to easily control the village and just destroy us as mafia. I wouldnt want to risk losing sam so early in the game especially when theres people that are contributing less.

if im wrong and sam is mafia, fuck me

lynch the iron kenyan

just a random off the inactive + its tik so hes just gonna troll the game anyway
 
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I appreciate macle contributing but am a bit confused by his post. On the one hand my initial reaction is to be suspicious of people who pseudo defend me just because 'I don't want to lose Sam so early' and it reads to me a bit like he knows I'm not on his mafia team and so whether I get mislynched or not it makes macle look better in the long run.

However I'm not sure mafia macle bothers contributing at all. Like what motivation would he have to support me? It certainly reads to me like he believes what he's saying regardless of his alliance. He could easily just skate by if he were mafia and hope that mills and LW manage to mislynch me, it's not like others are calling for him to contribute (and I only mentioned him briefly previously). From other peoples perspective maybe he could be my teammate, but given we know the mafia can talk to each other how likely do you think it is I'd push a teammate of mine to defend me so obviously?

So I'm confused but very interested to see macle vote TIK, because both were on my list of people I thought were decent lynch candidates.

Also good post but I disagree somewhat with Blazade's most recent post in that while I could definitely see myself playing similarly as Cell (honestly I'd play the same as villager or Cell so id be more concerned if I weren't a viable Cell in other peoples eyes tbh) I also think that I never would've pushed so hard (or still want) Vegeta to claim if I were. I'd strongly suggest people go back through my posts and try to find potential teammates (hint Mithril king_ and macle have all buddied me at times off the top of my head) and see if you think such a team would make sense if you do think I could be Cell, because i think it's pretty obvious no one really makes sense as a teammate of mine except for maybe Flyhn? Hint: if there's a ton of people attacking one person on day 1 of an NOC that person is probably not mafia.

Want to see Haruno post in particular, same with internet.

As of now I'd rather vote internet over anyone else, even moreso if he keeps idling and never bothers justifying his vote on me. Thoughts on him in particular Blazade or anyone else actively following the thread?
 
I have to go out for the rest of the night but I want to point out that smart mafia won't just buddy their teammates constantly, and they will more likely make a conscious effort to have differing or contentious opinions. Sam's getting attention because he makes the game about him, nothing more or less. (See "these are the scum because they would push such an obvious mislynch on little old me"). I believe a wagon of this size on Day one absolutely has some scum peppered in to fuel with more town. The people to look for if Sam flipped mafia wouldn't be the ones who ardently defended him necessarily (though there'd probably be one in those) but also the people who seem willing to vote him but not commit to it. (Which right now looks like anyone on this wagon who votes just because they have to or because he seems like the "best bet for now")

Preflip associatives are dangerous especially because making them allows scum to adapt. When you tell a scum who makes sense on their team, if it's wrong it's a greenlight for a lot of mislynches after the first flip. Plus an idler fits in on anyone's team.

Internet isn't an easy read for me because his vote and reasoning seems forced somehow. He basically calls your opinion widely regarded as not best for the village, agrees with Flyhn, and hops on. Now I think that argument works slightly better against you than it does coming from you because of the extent to which you've clearly fleshed everything out but I maintain that's still weak reasoning. At the time, however you did probably look slightly worse than the other goods. He doesn't seem committed to the vote, knowing that any lynch against you is probably going to be a headache, but he seems lax about changing it as well. He responded to me calling him out about as well as I expected. I'd say leaning scum taking all this into consideration but while there seems to be a lot of distance there doesn't seem to be a lot of scum intent to really seal the deal other than looking town by getting on a wagon.
 
Flyhn said:
For now Lynch billymills, likely changing this later if something else comes up, but his behavior is really strange
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I agree with this sentiment but would like to see it fleshed out some more from you Flyhn. What strikes you as strange?
Blazade said:
Yeti's taken about every opportunity she can to take a potshot at me but she doesn't seem to want me lynched either, which honestly reads as more town inquisitive than mafia doubtcasting for now.
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Oh don't mind me just trying to see how long it'll take you to scumslip.
macle said:
i really dont see sam as mafia atm. hes kinda all over the place but he has a lot of pressure on him. I could see billy and or lw trying to force sam out of the game to easily control the village and just destroy us as mafia. I wouldnt want to risk losing sam so early in the game especially when theres people that are contributing less.

if im wrong and sam is mafia, fuck me
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This is pretty much exactly what I wanted to say. Props to macle for picking up on it as well.

My notion is: if billymills and/or LightWolf are mafia (or even androids [together]), who is going to be the biggest threat to them? Village wallposters who have a lot of experience with them. DLE is mia af this game. That leaves Sam and I as probably the largest threats to them.

Now which is going to be easier? Getting me to mislynch Sam or getting Sam to mislynch me? They know I will suspect Sam of being mafia every D1. They also know that after F&I even when Sam was "certain" I was Haunted Diamond's partner he insisted I would've been a terrible lynch D1. You can conclude Sam is going to be a lot more hesitant to (mis)lynch me D1 especially since I can easily be townread (rightfully so I am town, I am js).
UncleSam said:
4. If LightWolf doesn't BOTH justify his lynch vote on me as being permanent (beyond 'I disagree with you') AND make a reads post within the next 24 hours and he manages to get me mislynched with billy, then it's safe to assume he isn't village. Same goes for billymills. Neither of them is stupid/unlucky enough to push a mislynch on me Day 1 that is completely and utterly obvious as well as not make any other reads to be held to in future days. His lynch on me for now is fine given he has plenty of time to change it, but there's just no way village LW finds an excuse for why I'm the actual best lynch today.
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I completely agree with this mindset for a town member because it's what I've felt all game. The only way Sam (or LW/billy) would force a mislynch on me D1 is if they really wanted to let everyone know they are mafia.

If LW+billy want one/both of us out of the game as quickly as possible, they try to lynch Sam first and hope I will scumread him and support it, or at least not fight it. They then nightkill me. They don't bother trying to do it the other way around because they doubt Sam is ever going to consent to a mislynch on me D1 and find it more likely I will. As long as DLE idles (or is on their team lolz) it is good... just look at all the bandwagoners they got on Sam because "SeemsGood" for their "mandatory" vote. Okay.

I am sure someone will come forth and accuse me of defending my teammate Sam but lmao yeah my townbuddy Haunted Diamond last game would have a word or two to say about that one. I'm just finna save my boo <3

I also just plain don't like how billy refuses to justify his lynch on Sam. I asked for his reasons and he ignores me and says he's going to be quiet because Sam is "the most suspicious" and there's no reason to discuss more. Or Something.

Lol. No? That is not how we find scum by being complacent and I am downright shocked billy would play this way. Lynching some dude getting bandwagoned by people with no explanation for it D1 is not the way. Trying to say the lynch is decided like 3 days before deadline is also bs, there is plenty of time to find some actual scum or put serious pressure on the idlers to flesh one out.

Not doing so is simply anti-town behavior.
UncleSam said:
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Expect more android signalling!!!!

UncleSam said:
I'd strongly suggest people go back through my posts and try to find potential teammates (hint Mithril king_ and macle have all buddied me at times off the top of my head) and see if you think such a team would make sense if you do think I could be Cell, because i think it's pretty obvious no one really makes sense as a teammate of mine except for maybe Flyhn? Hint: if there's a ton of people attacking one person on day 1 of an NOC that person is probably not mafia.
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At least you learned that.

If you are mafia King_ is a super likely candidate to be your teammate. I actually think LightWolf stands a fair chance of being allied with you (but billy doesn't) if you are scum. It would be extremely natural for you two to force some incessant and petty argument that clogs the thread with tl;drs and allows your 2 idling scrub teammates to coast/King_ to take ~just the tip~ while they get a feel for the thread. And then if one of you does get lynched, the other looks extremely clean for having been so contrary to the other.

I will do more ISOs once I get to work and have nothing better to do.
 
Reading the thread.

Can we please stop mentioning the Androids though? Seriously. Don't even call someone out for bringing up Androids. All it does is give them more material to work with. Stop hunting for Androids because it's easy to say "I think these players are signalling each other" and it doesn't actually contribute anything.

For now I'm gonna vote the guy who said he would read the thread but didn't.

Vote SteelEdges

Da Letter El when are you done with debate?
 
Oh yeah while I'm at it. Sam, I'm pretty sure I was active in ANOCymous, and that was one game three years ago anyway. I'm not seeing what makes you think I'm active lurking instead of just being busy.
 
This thread is awful. Most of the active people's posts are gibberish. Mafia is always a mistake.

Form. Clear. Opinions. On. People.

I'm feeling better about Yeti, and... only slightly better about Asek. I liked his reason for thinking Sam vs LW is Town/Mafia but it's not very alignment indicative and he doesn't really commit to any suspicions after that, so it reads like an explanation post under pressure that prioritized the defense and forgot about suspects. Really disappointed there wasn't a followup post.

I don't like either Jalmont's or Sam's votes on me. Sam used meta really loosely and jumped on after Jalmont which kinda continues the trend of him avoiding suspecting the active people (same thing that bothered me and Yeti about him him handwaving LW/Blazade). Jalmont is concerning for a different reason because I remember his post two days ago was about how he would peg me as inactive scum but he wasn't sure because he needs to reread posts. His follow-up to that is to slap the vote on me because that's what he had earlier, which is what I would expect from scum who doesn't actually care which of the inactives get lynched. I expected the follow-up of "yeah I read the posts, this is what I actually think" but nope.

I would vote Jalmont and SteelEdges for an inactivity lynch and Sam/Asek for a consolidation lynch.

Feels like a lot of what he does is flippity. The assertion that LW is Andriod which he quickly changes to Broly. The weak use of meta for people like me and Dale. (I mean, I don't think my play is anything like ANOCymous, and Dale isn't even active on the forums.) Every time he goes off to talk about role speculation nothing concrete comes out of it, and I feel like town Sam would press harder for a uniform claim plan like LW is doing. Instead he kind of accepts that people should post their own opinions, but he keeps going back to his own opinion for some reason. It's really chaotic and I think Sam would have his priorities better as tryhard town.
 
Jalmont said:
Let's vote BT guys!
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I don't think it's worthwhile to lynch Sam at the moment anyways considering that he's one of our highest contributors. Even if people are convinced he's scum, I'd rather go after people who are lurking scum. We can always re-evaluate and come back to Sam, but I'd rather go after players who are otherwise go under the radar all game, which I feel BT is that sort of person.

any ?s 4 me
 
Jalmont said:
I don't think it's worthwhile to lynch Sam at the moment anyways considering that he's one of our highest contributors. Even if people are convinced he's scum, I'd rather go after people who are lurking scum. We can always re-evaluate and come back to Sam, but I'd rather go after players who are otherwise go under the radar all game, which I feel BT is that sort of person.

any ?s 4 me
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I'm only going to be off radar if weekdays continue to suck, but anyway, I'm probably not interchangeable with the, like, 10 other sideline posters. You even have my opinions to refer to, but you're pushing me as an inactive lynch anyway.

There are some implicit questions there. Explain your vote and show me some of your thoughts from the last few pages.
 
The vigilante should hit either DLE or acidphoenix tonight.

I think billy is probably good billy's posts have all been succinct and short, and I don't get the sense that he's trying to "impress" anyone, if that makes sense. Out of all the long-posters I have the most solid town read on Yeti (altho it's still only weak town), and everyone else (blazade, lw, US) is null.

I see King_ as village, although that's not really all that helpful of a read. rssp1 and Asek feel town to me, unless I were to believe that first post is scum motivated, which I don't think it is. Mafia don't randomly bandwagon lol, they're much more subtle about it.

Haruno is probably bad, has just been talking about setup and posts are of a decent size, so it seems like Haruno is contributing, but when all you do is setsup spec, I think that's bad. Ofc ur mileage may vary w.r.t that sort of read so that's one that is definitely up there. I don't foresee getting people to agree with me on that so I'll leave that aside for now.

Everyone else is too inactive / I'm too inactive to truly get a read so sorry not sorry?
 
Blue_Tornado said:
I'm only going to be off radar if weekdays continue to suck, but anyway, I'm probably not interchangeable with the, like, 10 other sideline posters. You even have my opinions to refer to, but you're pushing me as an inactive lynch anyway.

There are some implicit questions there. Explain your vote and show me some of your thoughts from the last few pages.
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You're right, let's vote lurking inactive Da Letter El and vig you instead.

unvote
vote DLE
 
Blue_Tornado said:
This thread is awful. Most of the active people's posts are gibberish. Mafia is always a mistake.

Form. Clear. Opinions. On. People.
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You say this but you haven't put up posts that are meaningful and you haven't defended yourself, you've only trying to get the FOS off of you by not talking about it and trying to seem town by telling town to do town things.
 
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