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I'm open to this being the final lynch vote I make and I'm open to being dissuaded, internet has posted very little and what he has posted has been puppeting with bandwagon votes. He's done his best to stay out of the spotlight and that needs to change.
 
after writing this post im just putting my qs up here sorry if these were already answered
jumpluff
Q1: could we have confirmation as to whether or not mafia claiming a role counts if they're not ccing someone (or being cced?) since that's p important i'd say
Q2: Do android kills have a special flavor? or will it just say "x died"?

alright so i'm just gonna go thru this whole thing pagewise
Page 1
US starts of the actual conversation by suggesting claiming rules. Starting the conversation w/ something useful is generally a townie play, but mafia can do it if there's a certain topic they want to talk about. The Vegeta claiming thing has been beaten to death, so I don't really think there's any reason for me to elaborate on it (for this post). The Buu claim, however, originally seemed to me like a decent idea, but now that I think of it, there really was no reason for that to claim and sam's desire for Buu to claim might be scum-sided.
There is then more discussion on the Vegeta claim where Haruno & TIK agree. Haruno's reasoning actually strikes me as kinda weird, though. He's saying there's no harm to claiming Vegeta since he can't be verified by town? If anything, that'd be a reason to not claim Vegeta since scum could just claim him?
Blazade brings up the best reason (imo) for Vegeta to claim, that being that he then will not be targeted by village roles who will die if they did target him.
LW also brings up a good point as to why we def don't want both to claim since then we cant get an info role claim which means we're gonna need to rely on scumhunting or softing a scum result which isnt necessarily productive
Based on the convo w/ Blazade, Sam didn't see the rule where mafia fakeclaiming without a CC doesnt count as a claim which is probably why he was pushing for claims so early, so I can't really call his posts here scummy anymore.
Actually jumpluff could we have confirmation as to whether or not mafia claiming a role counts if they're not ccing someone (or being cced?) since that's p important i'd say (q1)

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More Vegeta discussion, I don't really think this is important but summarizing the arguments: Vegeta should claim because public unkillable clear is good, we dont want town ppl to die from targeting it or Vegeta has a chance to kill mafia and now's not the time for him to claim
I still don't understand Blazade's math
and I disagree with his final point; A town-dominated discussion is always good and is almost always how you win NOC. Granted, you have to press inactives in case, like you said, there are mafia lurking and watching everyone else tear each other apart.

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Blazade's reaction to Sam is something that is probably clear to him (regardless of alignment) but we have literally no way to know if he's telling the truth when he says he'd just follow everything sam says instead of bringing up conflicting ideas.
I disagree with LW's point that clears are useless (i'm 99% sure i said these exact words already so i dont need to repost my reasoning, if i didnt ill post it later)
holy shit i did not realize how many posts were spent discussing whether or not Vegeta should claim

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tbh what yeti says about sam being one of the two roles that he wanted to claim just so he could clear himself is entirely possible (although unlikely).
said this already but i agree at looking for signaling after an android is revealed or if an android kill is revealed (see q2 for confirmation on how thats gonna work)
IDK why Flyhn is still suggesting that Buu claim, although his idea would be a good one IF we wanted a claim from both of them.
ppl already commented on why asek's post was scummy no need to say it again he DID make a post later though so ill be checking that out soon

Page 5
solid troll vote by sam
Jalmont not wanting to scumhunt is kinda weird but it might just be because he feels that it's going to lead nowhere since thats really not the current topic of conversation?
yea q1 rly needs to be verified

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ya vegeta claiming cop is a bad idea we're just wasting claims and possibly guaranteeing a lynch on a townie in the worst case scenario
sigh billy ignored my post rip me

Page 7
Yeah Jalmont's reasoning for scumhunting not being possible makes more sense now the meta talk makes it a lot harder to scumhunt
i'm just gonna trust flyhn's assessment here bc im far too lazy to look back in other games

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yea solid post by asek but i have no comments on it its just vegeta/buu talk and then a bit of solid player analysis on sam
Harunopls give some reasoning even if its just parroting and then when you called out be sassy and be like "well would u prefer parroting or nothing hmmmmm????"
Flyhn is right that sam is a bit more jumpy than usual but i dont know if that means he's scum
sam when people have opinions contrary to urs that does not mean they are anti-town smh
billy differentiating between android and mafia play is important since they may be signaling to each other & you never know if they'll signal early bc they may think that they wont get caught

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billy do you have any reason for not wanting to discuss androids except from it possibly changing the train of discussion? i already said this but i think signaling is always worth pointing out (even if it leads to the loss of one town member since they're just throwing away the game if they follow signals picked up by town)
yea we need an answer to q1 we've just been assuming mafia can autowaste a claim like that although its ultimately up to the host's discretion (and idr pluff saying anything about how those claims would be handled)

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well at least billy's ignoring someone other than me, i suppose

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ya i think at this point vegeta should read the thread and decide what's best for them since imo there are solid arguments on both sides of claiming/not claiming

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im finding myself in agreement with flyhn a lot i agree w/ his thoughts on billy

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wew lads it seems i dont have much to comment on on these last couple pages but im probably just getting tired??
disagree with dle its silly to just lynch an active for the sake of lynching an active, although if you find an active person scummy you should def go for them and not be afraid of killing the thread
vig should idle unless they have someone who they are 100% sure is scum we dont want them killing themselves (this is a desparado tbh not a vig cmon old host)
finally done lol let me get overall reads

acidphoenix - who?
Asek - His posts really dont strike me one way or another, there's some solid thing but a lot of his stuff is just things he brings to light that are easily observable. If this is his first NOC though, i cant really blame him tbh
billymills - yeah billy's been acting sketch with asking people for stuff and then ignoring them (rip me ;-;) or just refusing to contribute after he's set his mind on something so im leaning scum on him
Blazade - super townie in almost every post he's made i dont really have any complaints against him but i really want to understand the math he's done because it makes zero sense to me, ya hes a townread
Blue_Tornado - idk why people are voting him i havent rly seen much of anything from him (well i guess thats why hes getting voted lol)
Da Letter El - his play feels like how I play when im lazy and im townie but i dont know if thats his lazy townie play so /me shrugs
Flyhn - a lot of solid posts again and he doesnt really seem to be doing anything scummy so townread
Haruno - he has posted a decent amount but i got nothing from most of his posts except one in the very earlygame which was kinda weird? not sure if it was scummy but i suppose its a very slight scumlean
internet - couple posts, seemed fine, didnt rly see anything notable
Jalmont - couple posts, seemed townie leaning town but i dunno this can change easily
King_ - rly just asking for help on a lot of topics or as said before replying to only certain users idk how to read him
LightWolf - he's being super adamant and at times stonewalling but it really doesnt feel like he's playing like scum so a townread on him too
macle - macle's townplay AND scumplay are barely posting and he hasnt done enough for me to determine which one he's doing yet
Mithril - he posted a couple things and i got nothing from em
SteelEdges - being subbed
TIK - being subbed
UncleSam - ah yes the focus of everyone right now i originally was leaning town on him but he's giving me mixed reactions rn maybe he's just playing differently than most expect which is why he's getting pressured but im super neutral on him
Yeti - yeti's posted a lot yet im getting literally zero opinions on her posts lol i guess thats neutral too

if i didnt bold a read its a neutral read

I guess Lynch billymills for now but thats probably going to change ill be here tomorrow morning and probably back in an hr or so?
 
rssp it's not that I don't want to scumhunt, it's just that it's very difficult when you have people talking about setup. Usually, that's a scum thing to do, but in this case, it's almost mandatory that we do it, since there's so many roles that could have a potentially game-winning/losing effect.

I don't really have anything else to add so I guess I'll leave things at that. DLE is looking better to me, but I've just been burned so many times by the guy, I'm not sure if I want to take the risk. Yeah I dunno. I think I'll look at Haruno more in depth tomorrow. I think there's a very strong chance he's a bad.
 
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THE_IRON_...KENYAN? said:
I feel like there are a couple soft claims going on in this thread right now, but I wont say who
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First not meta discussion post coming from the late TIK. This one seems odd to me simply on the grounds of how pointless it is, nay antitown, pointing out apparent hints like that only helped the bad guys. Even in the best case this is an excuse to seem active while saying little useful.

Flyhn said:
Honestly i'd leave it up to them, though be weary of potential fake claims, as vet is an absurdly easy fakeclaim as well, and I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with a D1 vet cc if they decide to out or maf decides to fake
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First time leaving it up to vegeta comes up, I do not directly disagree with this view though definitely lean no claim, I feel to a certain extent this post looks to be shutting down the discussion, before it even got going.

We then have a chain of jalmont trol votes where only bt bothers to talk about the current discussion, the people on question were dle billy and jalmont.

Probably a good times to get things clarified by hosts:
  1. Does transporter show up in watcher tracker results?
  2. Does vegeta kill transporter before or after their role can redirect people to him?
  3. Which protections do twins break? Cell? Vegeta?
  4. Framer specifically states it makes the target look like a random mafia, but this has seemingly no relevance to this game since cop only gets mafia as a result not which mafia. Are we missing some implications?
  5. Transporter can't target dead people right? I don't wanna see a revived mafia.
Jumping back in to complain about frustration with rreading through US arguments.

TIK joins the rand votes while serious discussion club ( not counting yeti, it's par for the course for her). King jumps to the USS Defence. Wood accuse of buddy, but tik had it coming and it feels like an excuse to post without joining the discussion, which is worse than buddying.

Normally I'd heavily suspectithril for supporting anti town agenda, but US being dead set on thinking he right it becomes questionable to assume his supporters bad as just his determination is enough to make people think he is right.

Enter the yet I. I'm a bit annoyed for such a huge ass post she got only indecisive shit on the big 3. I however like her focus on people who post but get by with having done very little.

Already commented on pokeguy's plan.

Haruno posts this oddly big rhetoric indecisive post of doom yet in the end it says little, it stinks of trying to confirm to our big ass posts.

Ducking macle and billy.

Asek posts, people jump on it. I feel there was a huge overreaction here and likely someone bad used this as an easy chance to vote. Someone unfamiliar with me and us would likely see our inability to agree and our constant distraction from anything not us as a scumtell by one of us. The jalmont vote is more questionable, but seems to be a misunderstanding regardless if alignment.

Duck Billy more.

I will continue with the remaining pages but will post because duck this all being undone after typing on a shite phone.
 
this post is a super unorganized list of thoughts cause i'm about to go to sleep so bear with me

there are two things that have occurred so far that i find a bit odd:

1. the intense reaction to asek's vote
2. the scumreading of dle due to his activity/meta

To me, Asek's vote was the exact same newbie-bandwagon vote that we ALWAYS call out and lynch D1, and they ALWAYS wind up being town. I'd need to go back and read Asek's other posts to see if I actually townread him, but he hadn't posted those when he made his "suspicious" vote, and 3 or 4 people instantly jumped on him for it. I don't feel like going back and looking at who exactly it was right now, but I think it's very likely that at least one of the people throwing shade at Asek is scum.

Regarding the other point, come on guys. DLE's at a friggin' debate tournament, of course he's not active. If he was on IRC and using the forums at all I could understand accusations of active lurking, but I'm pretty sure he's just legit busy with RL stuff. Doesn't mean I townread him, I just don't read him at all yet - there's too little to go off of. People like Sam (and probably others but Sam's the one who I most prominently remember as using this argument) who're calling him out as scum based on perceived meta are being a bit too hasty IMO, which means they're either just not thinking it through or they're potential scum.

Aside from the DLE stuff I'm townreading Sam for now because he's playing exactly as I would expect him to with all the setup spec, but Sam's good enough that he probably knows that's what's expected of him. Need to read more.

I like the new Flyhn. Keep it up, my dude. That being said, impossible to tell if he's a villager turning over a new leaf or a mafia finally freed from having to try to scumhunt a

No read on LightWolf because I literally cannot read his fucking posts holy damn someone get this man an actual computer STAT

Blazade's general playstyle is currently screaming town to me

Slight townread on Jalmont and rssp1 (the latter mainly for his most recent post); will probably be able to refine this Jalmont read a bit more in the coming days bc I feel like Jalmont has a very particular playstyle as town that's fairly easy to spot

Yeti plays D1 the same regardless of which side she's on, no read on her yet

Correct me if I'm wrong (I've really only been skimming so I may have missed some good stuff) but I'm pretty sure Mithril hasn't made a good post yet? Everything I've seen has been parroting/fluff. If I have a scumread yet, it's him.

goodnight folks i'll be able to post again after like 3:30pm my time (barring me deciding to check in on my break, which is possible)
 
sorry for double post

wrt setup stuff, agreeing that vig should idle tonight and almost would argue that vig should idle at least until transporter is dead, if not the entire game. too much of a risk otherwise

i'm staying out of the vegeta issue because i don't want to rekindle an argument and clog the thread with stuff like that, but i do think that ultimately the decision is up to vegeta

if the androids are attempting to signal each other it's going to be super fucking obvious given that they can't PM so don't call random shit out as "lolandroids!" unless it's something like "if i was scum i'd probably kill x" or random caps that actually spell something. basically i'm saying don't clog the thread with android shit unless you have something concrete

in fact don't clog the thread with setup stuff at all unless you have something concrete. this early in the game we need to be establishing solid intraplayer connections that we can gather reads off of and setup spec is really really hard to actually read (at least for me :S)
 
This will probably be my only post for the rest of the day:

I think Sam is bad because he is insecure in his reads.

Sam's town game is claim or die. If you do not agree with me, you are bad, end of story. Sam seems unwilling to call me and lightwolf bad, despite the fact we disagree with most everything he has said. To me, he is trying to signal the other factions to night kill us, and wants his hands to be clean if either of us flips town.

Sam knows Lightwolf, Lightwolf knows Sam. Lightwolf making strange and hilarious typos and awkward spellings is nothing new. Sam should know it's nothing new. Lightwolf typically plays paranoid. This is not paranoid lightwolf, this is town Lightwolf. Paranoid Lightwolf does not capitalize A all over the place to signal his partner that he is an android. Paranoid Lightwolf does not signal shit, outside of the most ridiculous methods no one would ever consider. Calling Lightwolf out for A's and 'billy billy' is complete bullshit, and sam knows this. He just needed an adequate excuse to signal to the androids to kill me tonight. Sam's early game as a mafia is to signal to the other factions that he does not want to be killed. He is confident he won't be lynched, which he is playing up wherever possible, but he is worried that the other factions will see him as a viable kill tonight.

This is my perspective. It may be wrong. It's been forever since I've played a NOC, and my memory is pretty poor of playstyles, but Sam's play seems unnecessarily safe.

I am also burnt the fuck out on mafia atm, especially arguing with some users in this thread (sam is not the only one). If I do make it through this cycle, expect more active play from there.
 
Vote total, sorry I was busy today

UncleSam (5) - LightWolf, Thetwinmasters, internet, Haruno, billymills
Jalmont (1) - Da Letter El
Thetwinmasters (1) - macle
Asek (1) - Blazade
billymills (1) - Yeti, Flyhn
internet (1) - Mithril
Blue_Tornado (1) - King_
Walrein (1) - Blue_Tornado
Da Letter El (1) - Jalmont
internet (1) - UncleSam

Not voting: acidphoenix, Asek, rssp1, Walrein

Let me know if I've missed your vote or whatever, and remember you need to be voting at deadline (rule). Some names have changed due to subs. I may need a third substitute by the way, so PM me if you're interested

Host questions:
Q1: could we have confirmation as to whether or not mafia claiming a role counts if they're not ccing someone (or being cced?) since that's p important i'd say <- answered, I've revised the rule since the start of the game so that everyone's claims count as long as it's an actual claim. pblade is aware of a secondary hidden ruling I've already made to help deal with the subjectivity of the rule.
Q2: Do android kills have a special flavor? or will it just say "x died"? <- cncnd

edit: corrected, I forgot to remove king's vote on twin
 
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Jalmont said:
in case it wasn't clear i don't think it's fair to crucify the guy because he made a "bandwagon" post given that asek probably has never played a NOC game before...

c'mon guys we're a better than that

in any case i find setup talk pretty boring even if it is important which is why I'm planning to lay low for now. i just don't see the point in really scumhunting when we have so many roles (and that sort of discussion is going to take over/be important from d2 on out). really all we're doing is clogging up the thread at this point. although i do think everyone should at least post their opinion on UncleSam/what to do with Vegeta (ew setup talk).

at this point i'd rather rand an inactive or someone who usually posts a lot but it isn't (eg dle)

so i guess i will do that

unvote
vote dle
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Contrary to the defence I made in his favour, jalmont doing the same thing is odd to me. For one for" pressure.at least asek votes made sense, we needed explanations on all his statements. Ignoring that the buddy argument doesn't work with jalmont bein aseks vote. What I think this seems to be is to look Good should asek flip clean. What with the vote being on jalmont it just feels off for him to be the defender here.
Blue_Tornado said:
Vote Asek what he said

I'll read the wallposts later, if I waited until I weaved through them I wouldn't be able to post for a few more days.

Which ones?
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Not only does this post take US's troll seriously it is otherwise just excuses and bandwagon.
internet said:
I believe vegeta and i guess mr. buu should be plenty informed on arguments for and against them claiming now, and that we should move on to discussing who the good players read as what and why. Not sure if that's a controversial thought, though. yeti's been doing it already.
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Replied already but still this just stinks even more than the pkeguy one on page one. First post is to dissuade an unfinished discussion without giving an opinion on it.

billymills said:
Random question to whoever thinks they know the answer:

Whats the issue with Vegeta claiming cop?
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Let's talk about Billy up to this point. People seem to okay it because it's inline with him, but his shit has been totally detrimental to village in every way, and I'm saying that as the guy who got agreed with by him in one of his one liners. He promises a big post which he doesn't post till pressured, even then he complains about lack of stuff to post on then makes a silly suggestions that doesn't work under the assumption he was going off. Don't care if this is normal, I do not want to see someone I can call a wordier macle.

BT and internet reply to their respective pressures. Internet is as meg as his first post and essentially says the same as asek with the caveat of understanding it's me and us. Stick no opinion on the discussion itself he tried to kill. Meanwhile bt makes reads on a few people, not much negative to say about that one.

Speaking of internets post, did see like drop blazades claim targets plan? Discussion on that just died off and no one brought it up again, especially us who I'd think would love it.

Rssp, I'd like an actual example you found scummy about my early posts since I think my shit didn't change much.

jalmont said:
i think players that try to seem active but don't actual post a lot are most likely to be bad at this point. that would put someone like BT as maf, maybe a couple others, but I haven't been super keeping track of who has posted and who is not. as much as i think DLE would be a fine lynch, i do feel like he's just plain afk so that's not really indicative of anything
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While I agree with the sentiment, this seems very hypocritical coming from the person just as guilty of this who spends most posts complaing about the discussion rather than contributing.

What's with the idlers pointing out if some soft claimed?

Ohhey there was more on target claiming. Yeah I really like people claiming their past deeds before being lynched, though it's utility is restricted to cop and maybe tracker, it's still a good one for when we run out of claims.

My initial reason for posting this was it seemed that each was trying to push the other into saying something that would make them appear scummy. This is general NOC interaction im pretty sure, but the argument over several page made me get the feeling (at least) that one of the parties was trying to get a slip to use to accuse the other, and there was the potential in my eyes at least for one to be mafia trying to get the other through an awkward line.
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Yeah Asek, p much that. I do enjoy pushing people till they duck up, but I see nothing wrong with it. I trust US to be good enough not to slip unless under a lot of pressure. It is also up to the people to decide if the slip gotten out of this is meaningful or a honest mistake.

The mandatory vote thing is hilarious. I agree with US...krgjjsynhshsjyajidhhhsjshjdhhfvJajhjs


Sorry had a stroke saying that, anyways all those sudden US votes seem odd, I think internet did say something about that but waiting tollvoting now is off, and I do not recall anything from haruno. Both using the misunderstanding of Flynn to bandwagon is very mUch looking like an excuse.
By 'the whole game' you mean billymills and LightWolf? Because Blazade himself said he was coming around to my view, Mithril supported it, and several others said they weren't sure. What is youropinion on that strategy (ie Vegeta claims today)?
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I tried avoiding US shit in this, but at the time I avoided replying to this as I wanted to check if he was maybe correct. And here I am and I saw nothing really implying such a notion from blazade, and he still seems to not want vegetables to claim. So what is this meant to be? To me it seems bias and direct accusation of anyone not willing to leave him alone.

Harunow explaining the US vote is a good chance to discuss the implications of the vegeta claim sides. Ignoring which side benefits the village the most, let's focus on who it helps on the bad side. Since both seem to be accepted as fair views bads will support the one most beneficial to them. mafia has been discussed death, they have the most roles to use and cell is directly hurt by killing. Twins and broly are hurt by vegeta surviving since if he lives they only win if vegeta is the last person left. Thing is only twins can cause his death by ching, and even then he is revived. Twins are also hurt the most by hidden vegeta. Broly Der supports my side while I'd assume twins went 50 50. This should come in handy later, when we got some dead already.

Acid posts. Not very long but based on how long this took me it's reasonable. We will see if he kept this up.

First reasonable Billy post, but also after US was expressing greater problems with him, could be omgus with quality increase to push back US. Also the mafia on android thing is silly.

One liner Billy is back.

Oh hey a yet I post I missed. A complaint about her bringing up the android sekret messages. Well I focused on us because he was lynching me over it while you seemed to be taking it as seriously a geesewolf. I will admit my phone is an android and may be trying to communicate with its allies. I will torture and question it by denying him the charger.

How are people letting macle do this carp?

Haruno seems to have overcome the rhetoric I saw early or became more adept at using our style. This is something I will keep in mind later.

Here is a good reply as to why the auto correct one means nothing. If I was twin I'd multiple times call out my partner in a post then talk about whoever I want killed in the next sentence. Why the duck would I use secret shift code.

Yet I you said it initially, but US tried to get me lynched over it. Reason enough to be concerned with him over you.

Poor innocent king, forced to make a long post. How new is he anyways, you like ps guy or something. The fact he only has been responding to yet I and US is still off though.

Oh man already at the realist discussion!

Oh man the US post where he wants to explain my vote on him. I have been waiting for this one for ages. Ahem, because I'm not a pussy like you. You accused me with flimsy evidence that is nonsensical so much that no one was willing to follow you and even decided to start a Damn bandwagon on you. And why I'm still on you is easy, on one hand accusations have come up me and billy want you dead to control the game, yet you were the one obviously biased enough to try that first, the only reason I declared it serious is your own attempt. Oh let's not forget how incredibly pushy you are with trying to get every single vote of you. Sadly I already know I'm changing my vote but man am I not gonna leave you alone the next day. Funily the only reason I need to not leave you alone rather than just lynching you because yes I can believe you'd lynch me just to not have me around which frankly scares me.

Speak of the backwards reasoning, here is maple to buddy US very good first readable post.

And US quickly here to pretend to be clueless why macle buddies him.

Yet I decides to subscribe to the silly notion I'm the one trying to get US eliminated just to get him out and not him me. I mean his post is literal blackmail to remove my vote on him because he is not bad and decides to constantly insult everyone who thinks he is wrong. If not bad he is frustrating, and if I didn't suspect Billy already I'd say his vote on U.S. was in big part that. But I do and agree on that part.

Ah the close to deadline us read by Billy. I really hope he doesn't miss it. I recall Waldron pulled that one on clever were he foretold his great clever read, missed deadline then claimed that the kill fixed that.

Running low on battery, I will post this then get back when it is not gonna die on me.

I will give you some scrums and vote one though. Billy for his antitownnotions. Internet for all that shite. Maple for being Billy junior and that part where he budied US. BT, king, acid etcetera, people who may as well be idling. TIK especially but he subbed so that's ducked. US because I'm not a pussy invite though.

But the one I wish to go after is the one and only... lynch jalmont. The uncanny asek budding hinting towards him likely knowing Asek ain't bad coupled with the hypocrisy of accusing others of his may as well be idling playstyle up till that point, and his contributions since then haven't changedmy mind.
 
The invite was an uncorrected unvote btw.

Also daletterel only half of my posts are done on phone so that is very racist.

Guys I don't have much on the last two pages so just ask e about my suspects if you wish me to say more when I get home.

Also jumpluff the numbered stuff is host questions.
 
Jumpluff can you confirm that LightWolf's vote was unvoted? If it doesn't count then I'm calling out LightWolf here and now for trying to stealth in an NOC

Also billymills has it possibly occurred to you that me saying 'after mislynching Galladiator/Haunted Diamond the last two NOCs I'm a bit less confident in never changing my reads' that maybe that's why I'm playing slightly differently? The only difference I can see this game versus last is that last game (and the one before) I got obsessed with one noob town making a terrible scummy post and never let it go. This game I would've 100% gone after Asek until the cows came home if it hadn't worked out so terribly the last two times. This is a conscious choice.

I'm not going to comment on the Androids any further because it is truly a waste of time, but if you really think me pointing out LW saying something incredibly weird (it was NOT random capitalization, he literally was changing words around) is me trying to signal the Androids then I think it would be embarrassing to explain how many different ways that would be a horrendously stupid play that I would hope people wouldn't think I'd make.

I'd like to see Jalmont respond because I'm not sure I've seen a lot of shade thrown at him and I'd like to see his defense, interesting link to Asek though.

However my vote on internet stays for now and I'd strongly encourage people to start voting for real here.

If LW doesn't change his vote before deadline we should lynch him, that's a pretty shoddy attempt to stealth vote me with an 'oops I didn't unvote' if it truly doesn't count as an unvote.
 
Final note: the notion that my play this game is 'safe' is pretty ridiculous, given a lot of people think I'm wrong about meta stuff/role claiming stuff and I'm not, and I'm not going to say I'm not no matter how many times Haruno claims I've got an 'anti-town strategy', is just insane.

Also the reason I'm a little more hesitant to accuse LW or mills is that I know in the former case LW is trying a bit harder than he normally does as mafia to do things (even if he's dead wrong on a lot of them) and I know that in the latter case mills is in fact burnt out at the moment so his refusal to play the game isn't super surprising. I could totally see him using it as an excuse to skate by as mafia and maybe get me mislynched in the process, but I still have a bit of a null read on him even if he is playing terribly.

Deadline is in less than 12 hours.

People need to vote (acidphoenix rssp1 Walrein Asek) while people can still respond. Ie NOW.

Calling out internet AGAIN and probably will every single post to justify his lynch vote on me when it was literally only a bandwagon on Flyhn's in the first place, and to give substantial reads on people other than myself as well.

Now that we're down to it here's the people I'd like to lynch, in no particular order:
internet/Asek/Thetwinmasters (formerly TIK)

The reason for these is simply that I feel they are not contributing. While I feel there are more scummy players than some on this list (cough Blue_Tornado cough) I'd rather not risk lynching people who are actively helping out because they will help the village in the long run even if they do flip mafia, since they have real posts and connections to sift through.

Out of these I do think internet is the scummiest and yes I'm going to keep highlighting him until he responds because I don't push for someone's lynch without trying to get them to respond, particularly this close to deadline. internet why are you a bad lynch target and who would you be ok with lynching today?
 
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Lynch acidphoenix
How the fuck does he has zero votes on him he hasn't said anything meaningful this game and is doing the exact same thing that he did in fire and ice which is idling the whole game and getting everybody to forget about him
 
Vote Mithril

This is in no way a concrete vote but I wanna make sure I don't get godwhatevered for not voting and Mithril's my strongest initial read

At work so not really gonna respond to anything else until later. LightWolf's post is legit like five full seconds of scrolling on mobile rofl
 
Oh my fucking god, and I'm being accused of trying to find any random reason to remove US, he is literally accusing me of the same shit again, just for a different reason this time! You are lucky I find jalmont's shit more suspect since again, you may just want me out anyways. That being said I'm not gonna fucking repeat my unvote and vote, since I fucking made a double post just to clarify that shit, and you seriously consider it was an attempt to stealth, that's just sad.

Also why the fuck do you have twin as your third most likely to lynch, as much as I disliked every TIK post I'm not gonna lynch a sub that had no chance to fucking talk. Also on similar grounds twin, I don't fin it reasonable to try and lynch acid right now so close to deadline, that thought should have, and I mean really should have been brought up at least yesterday. Needless to say I will not let him get away with the same shit again as he is now officially the most idle user left.

Also Walrein, consider that there is that decent sized chunk in a separate post, THEN REALISE I typed it up on fucking mobile to start with. When the 6 hour work was done, I went around and showed it to people what I had done. Considering I'm hungarian people thought I was insane.
 
I only consider it stealth if jumpluff does

Especially because you apparently refuse to clarify through typing unvote in bold which seems really odd

If jumpluff considers it a valid unvote then idgaf I'm just saying no way you 'accidentally' leave your vote on me like that unless it's intentional, if they don't then there's no way I buy it was a mistake by you if you STILL haven't unvoted me at deadline

I had Twin as a possible lynch option because of how poor TIK's play was, I'm not going to refuse to lynch someone just because they were subbed. However Twin brings up a good point in that acidphoenix managed to idle so effectively I straight forgot about him.

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Lynch acidphoenix

I may well switch back to internet (also fulfilling my pledge to always highlight him until he responds) before the deadline but I agree that acidphoenix needs to talk at least to vote.
 
Vote acidphoenix

I feel like this game people have been searching for a lynch that "seems right" as opposed to actually scumhunting. People are butthurt about past potshot newbie lynches but no one has the evidence to take down one of Da Goods.

I'm getting this vibe mostly from Sam's very self centered vote on internet and the draw that Jalmont and BT are receiving. These are guys well weathered and experienced enough that a lynch on them seems fair without being as much of a hassle as a lynch on say Sam would be. Here's my view:

Da Goods:
So far I think most of them are town with Yeti the most likely to be mafia. A lot of the interactions here feel genuine based on their personalities and explanations which means I put 1-2 on mafia at most.

Da Good but not Boistrous:
I think because of the way Jalmont specifically has defended and accused people him being mafia makes a lot less sense and he's worth keeping around for the connections alone. Blue Tornado is willing to take the time to defend himself rather than lie low in the face of Billy's initially baseless accusation which to me makes him seem slightly better because I think a town would be better inclined to take a little attention in exchange for getting a unique perspective on Billy's motivations. Internet is probably the worst looking out of these because he is clearly laying a little lower but he made a genuine effort when prodded by me and doesn't seem to have a lot of scum motivation in simply voting sam this early and leaving it.

Da less active:
The type of effort here is important, I think acidphoenix looks the worst as far as town posturing is concerned here. Mithril and king agree with sam, but so far it looks like it's genuinely so with King probably being the scummier looking one. Asek is decidedly middle ground because while he demontrates some competence in reading the field and defending himself he shows a definitive lack of initiative. Haruno makes an effort to try and understand a situation where he almost certainly would have used a scumchat if he had the option but he hopped on a vote oddly and kinda disappeared so I'm getting more wary.

Today I would lynch:
Acidphoenix
Internet
Asek
Haruno
Yeti

In about that order, and it looks like great minds think alike because while I was writing this we got 2 more acid votes
 
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