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NOC Dragon Ball Z NOC - Day 4
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in case it wasn't clear i don't think it's fair to crucify the guy because he made a "bandwagon" post given that asek probably has never played a NOC game before...
c'mon guys we're a better than that
in any case i find setup talk pretty boring even if it is important which is why I'm planning to lay low for now. i just don't see the point in really scumhunting when we have so many roles (and that sort of discussion is going to take over/be important from d2 on out). really all we're doing is clogging up the thread at this point. although i do think everyone should at least post their opinion on UncleSam/what to do with Vegeta (ew setup talk).
at this point i'd rather rand an inactive or someone who usually posts a lot but it isn't (eg dle)
so i guess i will do that
unvote
vote dle
c'mon guys we're a better than that
in any case i find setup talk pretty boring even if it is important which is why I'm planning to lay low for now. i just don't see the point in really scumhunting when we have so many roles (and that sort of discussion is going to take over/be important from d2 on out). really all we're doing is clogging up the thread at this point. although i do think everyone should at least post their opinion on UncleSam/what to do with Vegeta (ew setup talk).
at this point i'd rather rand an inactive or someone who usually posts a lot but it isn't (eg dle)
so i guess i will do that
unvote
vote dle
can we please not delete any posts in this thread, as long as they are made by players that are alive?
Yo I wasn't planning on crucifying him based on one post I just voted him and asked some clarifying questions. This is how scumhunting works.
Vote Asek what he said
I'll read the wallposts later, if I waited until I weaved through them I wouldn't be able to post for a few more days.
I'll read the wallposts later, if I waited until I weaved through them I wouldn't be able to post for a few more days.
Which ones?
I was trolling but combined between the fact that mafia can use our claims, can talk 24/7, etc. it seemed like the mafia were getting the better end of all the gray area rule changes I could tell, which I facetiously attributed to Yeti (this was actually mostly designed to get Yeti to post for real)
As for the post I deleted it had nothing to do with the game and was blatantly against the rules of this forum
As for the post I deleted it had nothing to do with the game and was blatantly against the rules of this forum
But aren't you and Yeti like kind of together?
hey guys lets talk about mafia for a bit
specifically blue_tornado
specifically blue_tornado
You're mafia.
Discuss
Discuss
Ruling on game integrity
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Carry on friends
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Carry on friends
US what the duck is wrong with you exactly. I mean in between serious discussions you make trolling comments on random shit, and your latest one you literally took of your pressure vote off a guy who is probably our solidest target to focus right now. To me at least this doesn't match up with serious Sam leader of villages I've witnessed in normal games. Not vote worthy(i still have it on you anyways) but I'd like.a reasoning.
Also please no more votes on the guy before he can post, and h better post, because it's not much of a discussion point right now.
Can anyone come forward with a reason we'd benefit from clean people before the point where they literally narrow down choices in late gAme lylos? US has p much not been able to do it but he has supporters so they surely can give it a try. Again ignore it's a vegeta claiming what is good about any 're being clean early.
Also please no more votes on the guy before he can post, and h better post, because it's not much of a discussion point right now.
Can anyone come forward with a reason we'd benefit from clean people before the point where they literally narrow down choices in late gAme lylos? US has p much not been able to do it but he has supporters so they surely can give it a try. Again ignore it's a vegeta claiming what is good about any 're being clean early.
Because the mafia will waste our claims while they get lynched if we do lynch them properly thus not allowing us to have any late game power at all???
Like seriously every time we lynch a mafia successfully they will blow one of our claims. I'd rather get our claims in before the mafia waste them (and don't give me the shit about 'trading claims for good lynches', if we're already lynching someone properly or think we have a good solid target we shouldn't let that person waste a claim of ours).
I'm not going to encourage scumhunting in a format where we literally have twelve power roles and it's way more important to come up with good plans for how to deal with different scenarios than it is to randlynch based on bs psychoanalysis, which is by far my least favorite part of any NOC as almost anyone here ought to know. I'd infinitely rather talk about the setup and ways to break it in our favor.
Like seriously every time we lynch a mafia successfully they will blow one of our claims. I'd rather get our claims in before the mafia waste them (and don't give me the shit about 'trading claims for good lynches', if we're already lynching someone properly or think we have a good solid target we shouldn't let that person waste a claim of ours).
I'm not going to encourage scumhunting in a format where we literally have twelve power roles and it's way more important to come up with good plans for how to deal with different scenarios than it is to randlynch based on bs psychoanalysis, which is by far my least favorite part of any NOC as almost anyone here ought to know. I'd infinitely rather talk about the setup and ways to break it in our favor.
Lynch Unclesam
I don't think you get it.
I don't think you get it.
Okay, I will just ignore US till he starts playing noc.
So Billy I kinda hoped your big post would come before more short ones. Any idea when you will have time for it? Day may last till, uh 90 hours from start, I'd be still nice to have enough time to discuss it. Contrary to the 5 pages we managed. I'm disappointed in the current activity, what with most disturbing questions to pluff, walls of text by me blazade an US, with some yeti snark on the side while jalmont is doing stuff while people randwagon him.
Weigh in on the claim no claim discussion is the easiest thing ever, only business can be reasonable excuse to not at least voice a problem with it taking centre stage.
So Billy I kinda hoped your big post would come before more short ones. Any idea when you will have time for it? Day may last till, uh 90 hours from start, I'd be still nice to have enough time to discuss it. Contrary to the 5 pages we managed. I'm disappointed in the current activity, what with most disturbing questions to pluff, walls of text by me blazade an US, with some yeti snark on the side while jalmont is doing stuff while people randwagon him.
Weigh in on the claim no claim discussion is the easiest thing ever, only business can be reasonable excuse to not at least voice a problem with it taking centre stage.
these lightwolf posts are incredible tbh.
jumpluff I am going to assume the person Bulma revives does NOT count as 1 of the 4 claims (if they didn't claim before death)? They would technically be completely cleaned due to having died. Sry if u answered this somewhere I am tired af and don't know what my life is anymore
I also agree that getting solid reads Day 1 is very difficult so just getting discussion going and seeing where people weigh in on issues is important. Especially since different people will fall on different sides of an issue and interpret being on one side or the other differently.
For instance Sam is very clearly in support of Vegeta/Buu claiming today to get them out of the picture for village roles and to have two clean people to base reads off of.
The counterpoint to this is, isn't it more interesting if two auto-clean people reveal later, after people have been forced to give reads about them? I'm not sure it's as vital yet to have "clean town" to orient around especially because how often have people who assert themselves as town been wrong on their leads (see Sam mislynching a newbie D1 every gd NOC EVEN WHEN I PROTEST AND TELL HIM HE'S WRONG)? Plus then they will be irrelevant for getting reads on - we won't see anyone trying to bus Vegeta when he later comes up clean if Vegeta claims D1. It might be more insightful to see who has been extremely antagonistic towards Vegeta/Buu all game rather than giving the scum two passes when faking their reads lists and so forth. This also gives two legitimate people to buddy and allow scum to hide behind.
In contrast, both billymills and LightWolf seem to find this course of action not ideal however billy seems okay with Vegeta claiming very late in D1 and LW doesn't want him to claim at all unless circumstances call for it. billy is willing to place a vote on Sam for the difference in opinion and LW clearly wants to if he isn't already voting him idr lol.
If Da Letter El tries to skate by this game with the same non-content posts he did in Fire & Ice NOC we are lynching him D1 for being scum, again. Please and thank you.
UncleSam again if you want a real response, make a real post. Why can't you be more like Haruno?
jumpluff I am going to assume the person Bulma revives does NOT count as 1 of the 4 claims (if they didn't claim before death)? They would technically be completely cleaned due to having died. Sry if u answered this somewhere I am tired af and don't know what my life is anymore
I offered my views of what roles should claim here:
however I think it is entirely circumstantial when/if they claim. Generally I consider a 1:1 trade completely worth it as long as the village has more people since the mafia have much fewer, however, due to the existence of the wolf and the androids I might be a bit more hesitant to just sacrifice a villager so readily by having them reveal. I think it will depend on how solid of a proof it is that the village role found scum (certain mafia roles still alive) and at what point the game is. I'm not sure blowing two of our four claims on Vegeta and Buu today is the best play.Yeti said:
I agree that the advantages of using unknown Vegeta especially (and Buu but to a lesser extent) could be very powerful for the village. The framers and so forth lead to weak village roles in the earlygame anyway so if those roles don't necessarily go off (and then get a false result if they are Unlucky and hit a framed person or whatever) until the framers get gone I don't see it as such a terrible thing. Obviously there will come a point when it becomes absolutely essential to let the village roles freely be used without fear of Vegeta but so early? I think there may be advantages to discouraging the mafia and neuts from using their abilities.
I also agree that getting solid reads Day 1 is very difficult so just getting discussion going and seeing where people weigh in on issues is important. Especially since different people will fall on different sides of an issue and interpret being on one side or the other differently.
For instance Sam is very clearly in support of Vegeta/Buu claiming today to get them out of the picture for village roles and to have two clean people to base reads off of.
The counterpoint to this is, isn't it more interesting if two auto-clean people reveal later, after people have been forced to give reads about them? I'm not sure it's as vital yet to have "clean town" to orient around especially because how often have people who assert themselves as town been wrong on their leads (see Sam mislynching a newbie D1 every gd NOC EVEN WHEN I PROTEST AND TELL HIM HE'S WRONG)? Plus then they will be irrelevant for getting reads on - we won't see anyone trying to bus Vegeta when he later comes up clean if Vegeta claims D1. It might be more insightful to see who has been extremely antagonistic towards Vegeta/Buu all game rather than giving the scum two passes when faking their reads lists and so forth. This also gives two legitimate people to buddy and allow scum to hide behind.
In contrast, both billymills and LightWolf seem to find this course of action not ideal however billy seems okay with Vegeta claiming very late in D1 and LW doesn't want him to claim at all unless circumstances call for it. billy is willing to place a vote on Sam for the difference in opinion and LW clearly wants to if he isn't already voting him idr lol.
If Da Letter El tries to skate by this game with the same non-content posts he did in Fire & Ice NOC we are lynching him D1 for being scum, again. Please and thank you.
UncleSam again if you want a real response, make a real post. Why can't you be more like Haruno?
My point is, using claims to confirm bad guys. I find more useful anyways. The problem with the late gAme advantage they might present Is that it's quite the niche case.if Mafia is playing we shit then it will be a lylo way pearly. Not to mention it's a 3 bads game, potentiAl lylos are insanely early, especially with neither bad guy faction having any info roles, which means intentional cross fire is hard. Honestly we may want to save claims so broly can claim late gAme, seriAl killers gotta work with villages surprisingly a lot, just so mafia don't dominate both.
Either way I don't mind cleaned vegetables(never mind, me and autocorect are best buds now) being a thing down the line, but it does nothing in getting a lynch, and a 100+=% mafia lynch as likely as our info roles finding one, mostly because they cause said sure fire lynches. Therefore a mafiaclaiming will confirm any suspicions, meanwhile if we let certain roles claim, they will guaranteed claim them and force cs from the actual, not only wasting claims, but outing a role of their choosing, how is a system with such a fault even being considered? The only acceptable claim us vegetables, because it's not a risk and we still get a mafia from it.
Can someone role raise a controversial thought, this is poo(you nd me auto correct, we gonna go far together).
Either way I don't mind cleaned vegetables(never mind, me and autocorect are best buds now) being a thing down the line, but it does nothing in getting a lynch, and a 100+=% mafia lynch as likely as our info roles finding one, mostly because they cause said sure fire lynches. Therefore a mafiaclaiming will confirm any suspicions, meanwhile if we let certain roles claim, they will guaranteed claim them and force cs from the actual, not only wasting claims, but outing a role of their choosing, how is a system with such a fault even being considered? The only acceptable claim us vegetables, because it's not a risk and we still get a mafia from it.
Can someone role raise a controversial thought, this is poo(you nd me auto correct, we gonna go far together).
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