No we know the timeline, "he chronology of the games was confirmed by Toshinobu Matsumiya on Twitter in May 2014" Bulbapedia with a link as well. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/History_of_the_Pokémon_world this shows that gen 1/ happen at the same time, as does gen 2/4. Gen 5 happens after 2/4 with the sequels happening later along side X/Y.
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Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)
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I don't see how it's a big deal for S&M to take place before X&Y then
Because people tend not to like randomly jumping around. And then there's the fact of why no one knew about Pokémon #722+, new Megas, other new elements, etc.
Because outside of covering one extremely tiny (theoretical) plothole, GF has no reason to need to do this.
Except they've jumped around a lot before and no one cares. And you can't use that argument considering Gen III predates gen II yet how do they not know of 384 pokemon?
If it's part of a story I don't see why making it a prequel to X&Y is such a big deal.
Except it's probably not a plothole. It's more than likely intentional if this is the case tbh.
Except the remakes HAVE those 'mons, retconning them in. Red, Blue, etc. aren't in the same timeline as FRLG, etc.
Not only that, but in N's Castle one of the grunts specifically mentions previous teams, including Galactic, and tells you that they all failed because they were too overt in their plans.
ORAS being a prequel to XY vs happening at the same time was a pretty random jump that took people by surprise. Sun/Moon taking place earlier in the chronology wouldnt be too out there, imo.
But where are all the ORAS megas in X&Y?
ORAS taking place before X&Y it wouldn't make sense for all the megas to not be in X&Y would it?
That argument is literally pointless.
*I love the designs of the supposed final evolutions for Rowlet and Popplio. Both have great concepts and designs but I'll try to not to get myself too hyped until there is confirmation.
*Rockruff evolving into a werewolf sort of fits, flavor-wise. Assuming its evolution keeps its rock typing, it would be weak to steel, similar to how werewolves are weak to silver.
*When Hawaii was revealed as the basis for the new region, I thought it was perfect that Hawaii has 8 main islands since there are 8 gym leaders per region. When I saw the map only had 4 big islands (and 1 small island), I was bit surprised that they were planning to condense that much into 4 islands. If the rumors are true about no gym leaders and each island being occupied by one elite four member, that could explain why they decided to omit some of Hawaii's main islands. The concept sort of reminds me of the Orange League in the anime. It could be interesting depending on how they execute the concept.
*Rockruff evolving into a werewolf sort of fits, flavor-wise. Assuming its evolution keeps its rock typing, it would be weak to steel, similar to how werewolves are weak to silver.
*When Hawaii was revealed as the basis for the new region, I thought it was perfect that Hawaii has 8 main islands since there are 8 gym leaders per region. When I saw the map only had 4 big islands (and 1 small island), I was bit surprised that they were planning to condense that much into 4 islands. If the rumors are true about no gym leaders and each island being occupied by one elite four member, that could explain why they decided to omit some of Hawaii's main islands. The concept sort of reminds me of the Orange League in the anime. It could be interesting depending on how they execute the concept.
We'll just have to wait it out.
While I personally prefer to rely on the 19 years of same ol' same ol', sure. They could mix it up, based on the information we've gotten from a linkless leak that got a grand total of one thing guaranteed correct so far. I don't want to deny the concept because it could be crazy and new enough to work. I just don't logically see it happening.
But until we see one thing or another actually happen, though, I'd rather end this before it just becomes a flame war.
While I personally prefer to rely on the 19 years of same ol' same ol', sure. They could mix it up, based on the information we've gotten from a linkless leak that got a grand total of one thing guaranteed correct so far. I don't want to deny the concept because it could be crazy and new enough to work. I just don't logically see it happening.
But until we see one thing or another actually happen, though, I'd rather end this before it just becomes a flame war.
1. Most Chinese forums have strict rules on speculation.
2. It was never posted onto Baidu at all. It was first posted on TGbus but quickly deleted because TGbus has strict rules on speculation.
The screenshots are flying wild in mobile phone chat groups though.
That's a very shaky argument; at the time of Diamond and Pearl's release, there was no indication that Johto would be remade so that it could have access to the newer pokémon, of which there were nearly twice as many as there were in GSC. There wasn't really even a hint that remakes would be a trend - when Ruby and Sapphire were first released, they were completely and totally isolated, and scores of older pokémon were unavailable in any legitimate way. Emerald only added a very small fraction of what was missing, and without FRLG, Colosseum and XD would be needed to get most of the rest. The release of FRLG just felt like a natural fix to the situation at the time, especially with Colosseum covering most of the Johto pokémon. Diamond and Pearl, on the other hand, had every non-starter and non-legendary bar Tangela and Tropius between the two of them, and even then, they still had the Pal Park for the missing numbers. So when DP's very first major plot point was predicated on the Red Gyarados sighting at the Lake of Rage, there was nothing to indicate that HGSS would ever exist, only that Diamond and Pearl, and later Platinum, ran roughly concurrent with GSC in the timeline.
Game Freak isn't overt in their chronology, and they're typically very subtle about it, but it's there. Each set of games has an isolated story for the most part, but there are brief little instances and details that bring all of the games together - things like Red's appearance on Mt. Silver and later at the PWT, or the aforementioned Lake of Rage incident, or references to AZ in ORAS. The very fact that the strange souvineer exists in the first place, and that it's found in Kalos a generation before its supposed home region is introduced almost certainly means something. So to assume that SM must take place after XY is fallacy, because there's nothing to say that SM doesn't hold a chronological precedent at this point either, irregardless of the veracity of the leak.
Game Freak will do what Game Freak wants in regards to the overall layout of the storylines, and the way the games fit together. They're the people who took something as innocuous as Steven Stone's hobby, and turned it into a major game mechanic that was a viable plot point ten years later for a region that's supposed to be wholly unrelated to Hoenn, except for the fact that AZ appeared there once in a while during his thousand years of wandering. They've already established a precident of jumping the timeline, and there's no reason whatsoever to say that they'll never do so again.
Frankly, while I'm taking these leaks with a large grain of salt, the standard "Collect Eight Badges - Defeat Evil Team - Conquer Elite Four" formula that all of the main series games have used has become quite stale. With the confirmation that Masuda has stepped from the role of director to that of producer for these games, I don't think anything relating to storyline formulas is going to be rock solid, and I would like to see a shake-up in the formula to revitalize the standard playing experience.
Also, before I forget, if these starter leaks are indeed true, I would like to formally make the jump from Team Litten to Team Popplio.
Who's to say that the mega stones in Kalos are the exact same ones that are in Hoenn?
No clear indication, but during data mining Johto was found as a specific location for Pokemon to originate from, vs being listed as from "a far away place" for Pal Park Pokemon. Also a bit of nitpicking: Emerald came out after FRLG.
And yeah: Leaked Popplio looks very elegant. I do like.
I don't doubt that Johto was referenced in DPPt's code, but I was speaking more in the context of a player who was uninvolved with such information - that is, I was speaking more in the sense of what Game Freak intended us to see, and not what we showed to ourselves. I've been with Pokémon since the beginning, but I've only become directly involved with forums such as this one since X and Y.
I also know about Emerald and its relation to FRLG, but I worded that section poorly. I should have said something more like, "Without FRLG's release, Emerald would have only added a small fraction of the missing pokémon, without the additional need for Colosseum and XD." I was trying to relay the effect that FRLG had on Gen III, and what the availability of almost half of the total amount of pokémon looked like without them. I distinctly remember going through Colosseum and soft reseting for as many female Johto pokémon as I could get, because Ditto wasn't available in RS. It took me a while to give up on getting Umbreon or Espeon to be female, in fact.
The Espeon, Umbreon, and (Japan-Only)e-card Shadow Scizor in that game were always Male specifically so you couldn't get Eevee/Vaporeon/Jolteon/Flareon/Scyther before FRLG came out.
Not exactly, the perspective on things would change drastically.
Imagine this for a moment. If there are only four gym leaders, one for each island, that means they are currently the most powerful trainers on their respective island. Ok, so you defeat them, prove yourself as the strongest of them all. By that moment, the Elite Four isn't even established, nor is the Pokémon League. The Elite Four, of course, is formed by the previous Gym Leaders, now with stronger end-game teams and you, for the first time in the Pokémon series, are the Champion. This could be the first time you confront the Elite 4 as a Champion, not as a contender. Why? Because the Elite 4 is allowed to battle the Champion any time they want, and if not, they could just simply say something like "let's see if you are still worthy of the title!", every time you challenge them. Well, as you defeat the Elite 4, you enter the Champion room but someone has arrived before you, it's your rival. Now, your rival, standing as the contender for the title, is about to battle you, the current Champion of the Pokémon League, for the very first time in the Pokémon series.
This is epic by itself, but think about the possibilities. If you lose the final battle agaisnt your rival, next time you challenge the Pokémon League you will no more stand as the Champion, but instead, as the defeated Champion who is now a normal trainer. Now the final battle is slighty different, as your rival is the Champion (and of course, all the dialogues from the Elite 4 who are well aware of your status change), he is using a rematch-more powerful version of his team, so is doing the Elite 4. As you challenge your rival and claim the champion title, next time you lose against him, or any other member of the Elite 4, that trainer would be the new Champion. Making this the first dynamic-changing Pokémon League in the history of the franchise, and the only one which makes sense.
People talking about "why region x didn't know about Pokemon yzw if it comes before?" forget that, besides Johto/Kanto, all continents are isolated and have little to no contact with each other. The same way animals existed in Australia that we didn't know of until somebody went there to examine, and in the same way that there are still animal species we don't know of, even if they're around for a while.
Researchers keep researching and find new Pokemon, and some are exclusive to some regions. The fact that they show up later in regions that they didn't live before can be explained by breeding.
Researchers keep researching and find new Pokemon, and some are exclusive to some regions. The fact that they show up later in regions that they didn't live before can be explained by breeding.
Wait, have we even talked about the starter's evolution's names? I just lurked Serebii forum in curiousity and found a screenshot of a discussion with their name, but I'm afraid it is the same screenshot Cresselia~~ removed before.
No names.
Just stuff like fire poison lizard, rock dog, etc.
Just stuff like fire poison lizard, rock dog, etc.
Oh... it is probably "European" leak. According to what I saw, the (most possibly English) name of Rowlet's final evolution is Robinroot, Litten's is Panthster, and Popplio's is Entermaid. Uh, I'm already out from my laptop, but the screen shot is in few pages before the last in Serebii Forum's starter speculation discussion thread.
Uh... I hope this will be OK. This is what I saw. Warning that there's also a line that could be plot spoiler.
http://67.media.tumblr.com/bcc12df6a3fa497f6272564708f470d8/tumblr_o9xokxPkhZ1rhydo8o1_1280.png
Of course, this is not to be taken seriously until confirmed. But I feel like this can add discussion while it is still in free discussion. Still, I kinda hope this isn't real, at least on the names....
Well... at least I warmed to the name Delphox (Mafoxy was better to me) after I first heard found out the name and felt weird. But I don't think Entermaid is something I can accept, especially when I want to try my Moon in English again....
Uh... I hope this will be OK. This is what I saw. Warning that there's also a line that could be plot spoiler.
http://67.media.tumblr.com/bcc12df6a3fa497f6272564708f470d8/tumblr_o9xokxPkhZ1rhydo8o1_1280.png
Of course, this is not to be taken seriously until confirmed. But I feel like this can add discussion while it is still in free discussion. Still, I kinda hope this isn't real, at least on the names....
Well... at least I warmed to the name Delphox (Mafoxy was better to me) after I first heard found out the name and felt weird. But I don't think Entermaid is something I can accept, especially when I want to try my Moon in English again....
I don't buy those names, honestly. Everything else I'd buy.
Why are you entering a maid
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