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NOC Amnesiac Mafia Game 1 - N2

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Walrein said:
That's because it wasn't, I legitimately thought I was silencer when I made the decision to idle. If you believe that I idled you know the only scum role I can be is don and if you think I idled as Don then lmao
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Well my point was that you were lying about idling but I hadn't considered that you might've legit thought you were mafia lol. I'm honestly not sure which way to lean between you vs. Blazade but it's not something I think is super important right now, it's a virtual 50/50 that can be solved easily tomorrow.

My main concern was with finding the best lynch for today to guarantee a win, and I think that the choice is completely and utterly obvious. Would appreciate your input on that considering apparently deadline's in three hours rather than quibbling about whether I'm reading you or Blazade cleaner at any given moment.
 
We have hard mechanical evidence rofl

You were the only person hooked. The only others who could be don would be Walrein and askaninjask, and not even aska if the PT is given a fail result when used on the Don (internet can you confirm whether this would happen?)

Would the other villagers please wake the fuck up I know that I haven't been the best with activity this day but there's 2.5 hours to deadline apparently and we need to fucking vote
 
UncleSam said:
In short, there's just no way that the Don wasn't hooked last night, and jumpluff is the only person who could've been hooked last night. It's a slam dunk.
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Omniguard could block. What's your reasoning behind the idea that the Don had to be hooked? You say that rssp1 is more likely to be Omniguard in your post, yet disregard that they could have blocked a kill onto Blazade.
 
Actually wait not even those could be, with rssp1's claim Walrein is hooker or psych only. So literally only aska and not even aska if PT gets a fail result.
 
Ditto said:
Omniguard could block. What's your reasoning behind the idea that the Don had to be hooked? You say that rssp1 is more likely to be Omniguard in your post, yet disregard that they could have blocked a kill onto Blazade.
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What Don would kill Blazade (or aska if you think aska is omni)? Do you seriously think that's a possibility when there were two 99% villagers coming out of Day 1 and a host of others who were less suspicious?
 
walrein/blazade are hooker and psych unless someone lied about their targets
tbf sam a don who wasnt paying attention to the game like me mightve killed blazade, since shouldnt i have been on one of the 99% village targets d1?
 
UncleSam said:
What Don would kill Blazade (or aska if you think aska is omni)? Do you seriously think that's a possibility when there were two 99% villagers coming out of Day 1 and a host of others who were less suspicious?
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The PT is probably the last target for the Don. He can't do anything about the kill, so I think it's perfectly reasonable that the Don wouldn't target Flyhn. I will admit that the Watcher would be a good target though. Can't say why a Don wouldn't target them, but the fact that you think that it's 100% like that is just narrow thinking.

Also, I highly doubt PT gives a failed result because if we are assuming Yeti is Watcher, she didn't get a failed result from N0.

I don't know why, but I just feel like Blazade is hooker. Something in my gut.
 
rssp1 said:
walrein/blazade are hooker and psych unless someone lied about their targets
tbf sam a don who wasnt paying attention to the game like me mightve killed blazade, since shouldnt i have been on one of the 99% village targets d1?
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just because you were silenced doesn't mean you're village. Flyhn and Yeti were 99% because it seemed that they were PT and Watcher respectively. You could still be hooker in N1 logic.
 
the only scenario in which i can be hooker is one in which jumpluff is don, lied about her target, and was blocked by rssp

me/blazade is 100% a 50/50 on psych but it could still be TvT

still working stuff out please hold
 
rssp1's post is really bad so I'm going to mostly ignore it, I can see arguments for why I might be silencer and I hope to be able to dispel those with future results, but thinking that I am A. Don and B. Horrendous at mafia is not really worth spending any more time on.
Ditto said:
The PT is probably the last target for the Don. He can't do anything about the kill, so I think it's perfectly reasonable that the Don wouldn't target Flyhn. I will admit that the Watcher would be a good target though. Can't say why a Don wouldn't target them, but the fact that you think that it's 100% like that is just narrow thinking.

Also, I highly doubt PT gives a failed result because if we are assuming Yeti is Watcher, she didn't get a failed result from N0.

I don't know why, but I just feel like Blazade is hooker. Something in my gut.
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Well it's not that it's 100%, it's just that it's like 95% in a bottle (and imo you're wrong on PT, PT fucks Hooker/Silencer hard so it's probably a better target than Watcher, not super important though). However then you have to consider surrounding circumstances. The possible dons are not morons for one, and Blazade never called out any of the possible Dons during Day 1. askaninjask no one kills ever because he is a known idler, I hope that you can at least agree that if aska is omniguard then jumpluff is certainly Don.

Besides, this 95% chance is simply the chance that jumpluff is mechanically already found out to be Don. In the other 5% they are still more likely than anyone else to be Don, simply because there's no other roles they can realistically be.

Also Ditto not for anything but it's quite bizarre why you of all people would think jumpluff might not be mafia considering they can literally only claim vigilante which is one of only two possible village roles you could be. From your perspective either jumpluff is bad or the mafia is precisely (Blazade/Walrein)/Me/(askaninjask/rssp1). Which do you think is more likely, especially considering that, as Walrein points out, it is quite possible (I hadn't realized this previously) that Walrein vs. Blazade is TvT and jumpluff is therefore mechanically found out to be bad as well.

Note that the reason we aren't sure as to who the hooker is is because jumpluff screamed to the hooker so early so that they could lie about their target. It is therefore possible that either Blazade or Walrein is Mayor or Vig as well (note how there's a shitton of possible vigilantes and jumpluff can literally only be vigilante regardless of what anyone else is or any more thorough analysis of results).

I'm not being narrow-minded, this is just completely obvious.
 
UncleSam said:
Also Ditto not for anything but it's quite bizarre why you of all people would think jumpluff might not be mafia considering they can literally only claim vigilante which is one of only two possible village roles you could be. From your perspective either jumpluff is bad or the mafia is precisely (Blazade/Walrein)/Me/(askaninjask/rssp1). Which do you think is more likely, especially considering that, as Walrein points out, it is quite possible (I hadn't realized this previously) that Walrein vs. Blazade is TvT and jumpluff is therefore mechanically found out to be bad as well.
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Where did I say I don't think that jumpluff is mafia? I think mafia is Blazade/aska + you or jumpluff.
 
I'll be back in a bit, dentist's appointment. I'll be back on before deadline.

Please fucking Christ get your heads out of your asses people

Ditto said:
Where did I say I don't think that jumpluff is mafia? I think mafia is Blazade/aska + you or jumpluff.
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So you seriously think that I could be Don who killed Blazade/askaninjask for no reason last night? Like that strikes you as a remote possibility?

People need to go back through and read the thread. Focus on the order in which things happen. The precise claims aren't as important as the fact that jumpluff claimed hooked before any of the possible hookers claimed any N1 targets, and having no idea they weren't omniguarded. Additionally, the order of the claims ought to clue you in on a few other things, such as that rssp1 very easily could've been trying to frame Blazade based on jumpluff's shoutout.

Please everyone go back, read, and think through things very carefully. There are subtle hints everywhere once you start to clue in on the right posts and claims.
 
I'm fine with Vote no lynch and getting one more round of results before lynching anyone. The game isn't solved (from my point of view) yet and there's no one I can definitively say is evil.
 
UncleSam said:
So you seriously think that I could be Don who killed Blazade/askaninjask for no reason last night? Like that strikes you as a remote possibility?
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Yes it does. I'm fine with just that 5% chance. Although to be completely honest, I think it's just your usual condescending tone that always makes me wish you are mafia. I could very well be blinded by that.

I do think it's interesting to note that jumpluff wanted to do a mayor test today. Well we have one right now. If askaninjask is mayor, then we have no lynch. If Sam is, then we have a lynched jumpluff.
 
UncleSam said:
We have hard mechanical evidence rofl

You were the only person hooked. The only others who could be don would be Walrein and askaninjask, and not even aska if the PT is given a fail result when used on the Don (internet can you confirm whether this would happen?)

Would the other villagers please wake the fuck up I know that I haven't been the best with activity this day but there's 2.5 hours to deadline apparently and we need to fucking vote
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That is the definition of not hard mechanical evidence

Let's yolo 1/3 the don based on the pov of someone playing either terribly or anti town

I am not hazarding against aska and Sam who are two of my top mafia picks unless there are no other good mayor candidates in which case happy to do mayor test it would be useful.
 
Also you are not trying to lunch off mechanics you are trying to lunch off the fact I claimed hooked while knowing I could have been omni'd which we already talked about

I'm hesitant to say you might even be mafia this is such a stupid play. You're probably just tunnelling as usual in which case enjoy your loss I will enjoy my holiday
 
if rssp1 is hooker then jumpluff is incredibly likely to be don, as anyone else being don would have had to target aska for a kill, which as we've stated is rather unlikely - plus the order of things makes this very possible, as sam pointed out above

that scenario leaves me or blazade as psych, with the other being either mayor or vig, and unclesam+ditto as silencer or whichever of mayor/vig me/blazade isn't (that sentence turned into a trainwreck at the end i hope it somewhat made sense)

if i'm hooker then pluff is 100% don that hit blazade and ran into rssp's protection because i swear to god i idled lmao

if blazade is hooker then pluff must be either don or vigilante, and if it's the latter the don must have tried to kill blazade

it's possible for none of us to be hooker if hooker hit pluff (while lying about their target of course) and don tried to kill blazade OR if pluff is the hooker themself and tried to hook blazade but got blocked + psyched

any of myself, blazade, ditto, sam, or aska could be mayor. flyhn/yeti are obvious, pluff's action failed (or they lied and said they did which they would only do if they knew themself to be scum), and rssp must be either omniguard or scum

more to come i just wanted to get this out there
 
Spoiler alert if I were don I wouldn't have owned up to the sole action fail

That would be suicidal, why would anyone else cover for me? How would I know there even was one?

You all owned up to incriminating stuff. Why'd you do it?
 
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