Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)

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I know this is incredibly unrealistic but I think Nintendo/GameFreak/whoever codes Pokemon Go should put in a few Gen 7 Pokemon around 2 weeks before Sun and Moon and constantly put stuff about it. Would really boost their audience given how popular Pokemon Go is.
 
QuickBH said:
I know this is incredibly unrealistic but I think Nintendo/GameFreak/whoever codes Pokemon Go should put in a few Gen 7 Pokemon around 2 weeks before Sun and Moon and constantly put stuff about it. Would really boost their audience given how popular Pokemon Go is.
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They should focus on fixing several bugs first, tried watching some headband camera streams and the game barely lasted 10 minutes without crashing.

Optimization of battery would be a second best bet on stuff to fix...
 
Norne said:
They should focus on fixing several bugs first, tried watching some headband camera streams and the game barely lasted 10 minutes without crashing.

Optimization of battery would be a second best bet on stuff to fix...
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Agreed. They're planning all this stuff, but I think everyone just wants the bugs fixed right now. They're apparently working on the servers, but we've gotten no word beyond that.
 
QuickBH said:
I know this is incredibly unrealistic but I think Nintendo/GameFreak/whoever codes Pokemon Go should put in a few Gen 7 Pokemon around 2 weeks before Sun and Moon and constantly put stuff about it. Would really boost their audience given how popular Pokemon Go is.
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I was thinking that too, like they reveal to us the entire evolution families of all the com mons they've show us thus far and put them in Pokemon Go as a promotional push. Then a few months later they add the rest of the Gen VII Pokemon including Starters (why exclude them from the promotional push? So their final evolutions don' t get revealed. Though I suppose they could just disable you from evolving them until Sun & Moon is released).

I was also thinking maybe though could add a Gen VII fighter to Pokken, or at the very least a Support duo (or both!). Obvious choices for a fighter would be Magearna or Tapu Koko (or maybe they could do something with Zygarde and its new forms), however Pokken has surprised us before.

Would Pokemon Go Effect Sun & Moon Sales?
I would say yes, but not by much. If anything it'll maybe convince ex-Pokemon players to come back and try the game. However I think just in general Sun & Moon had already attracted its audience so GF/Pokemon Company just has to convince them (and those who are still teetering on the edge of buying it or not) to stay on with showing us some of the new Pokemon, characters, mechanics, and what the Alola region has to offer.

However I feel Pokemon Go is just too different of an experience from the normal Pokemon games to be any major player in Sun & Moon sales:
Device Platform: Pokemon Go is played on touch phones which most people have now since everybody needs a phone nowadays, but all these people may not have a 3DS.
Casualness: Pokemon Go can be played, well, on the go. Its a very casual game you can play while going places, you don't need to put aside time to play it But you do for a Pokemon main game.
Social: Pokemon Go has you actually physically walking around, exploring the places you are, like a "real" trainer. And it's not just you, you may be doing this with friends or stumble along other people playing Pokemon Go. Share stories and experiences, maybe explore together, trade, battle (come on Niantic, I can understand not having long range trading and battling but no local?). However the main Pokemon games are pretty self-contained. Yes there's the PSS and GTS but the level of social interaction there is limited. Also its very likely you're not walking around but sitting down and either paying attention to the story going on in the main game or competing in a battle or any of the additional activity in the game. Also you'd want to be focusing on the game's graphics, Pokemon Go's simplistic display was made that way as you're suppose to use your phone's camera to make it feel the Pokemon is in the real world.
Nostalgia: Pokemon Go is made for the adult players which is why is launched with Gen I Pokemon. Sun & Moon will mainly focus on the new Gen VII Pokemon and have Pokemon from all previous generations, not just Gen I. I would assume the ex-Pokemon players playing Pokemon Go probably stopped playing after Gen II so that's 4 gens of unrecognizable Pokemon they'll be introduced to plus the new ones.

A person who likes Pokemon Go may not like a main series game for these reasons. Needing to buy an exclusive gaming platform, having to learn these battling mechanics, having to it down and focus just on the game while not finding new places or meeting anyone (in real life), and being constantly bombarded with generations of Pokemon they might not recognize (and develop an opinion on). Some people have places to go and people to meet and when they have time off from school or work they want to spend it doing something they like (or sleep).
 
I actually think Pokémon Go will affect the future generations of Pokémon more than Sun and Moon. With Go, Nintendo has seen how enormously popular a Pokémon game can be on mobile phones. We're reaching a stage where every common smart phone can do most of the stuff the 3DS can (maybe apart from the 3D, but I have no doubt that will come in the future too). Having to run on a dedicated hardware will sooner or later hurt Pokémon's sales - after all, a kid with a mobile phone and tablet will soon be able to play games just as good as those on Nintendo's handhelds. No need to buy a 3DS for your kid any more, he'll have plenty of quality games to choose from on his phone. Also, it's more of a bother to lug around a second device solely for games, and changing/storing cartridges is a bit of a pain. A smart phone is capable of doing 95 % of all digital tasks you want to do on the fly; the need to have a second device for the last 5 % is increasingly archaic.

With that in mind, I wouldn't be too surprised to see Gen 8 as a smartphone game. Or, well, Nintendo probably has the successor to the 3DS in the pipeline, and wish to use Pokémon as a "hardware seller" game, so Gen 8 might be a bit early, but still I think they're at least considering to discontinue their strategy of dedicated handheld hardware. Making the leap to smartphones opens up to a much greater customer base, eases distribution (which lowers end costs for consumers), standardizes game development, and utilizes the superior connectivity of modern phones. Patching games and player-to-player communication is a little cumbersome on the 3DS, on phones both are a trivial task. If there is a new handheld console on the way (we have no idea what the NX even is), I think it will be Nintendo's last.


Or at least, if anything, the success of Go means we'll see more Nintendo spin-off games on smartphones from now on.
 
I don't like the idea of Pokemon on a smartphone. Mabye it's just my nostalgia talking but I really enjoy the feature a 3DS has over a smartphone (buttons!). I always find modern smartphones sort of clunky (is that the right word?, I'm not sure) when trying to play many of the games that are there and the evil creation of virtual joysticks makes me want to throw my smartphone against the wall. The moment Pokemon moves to Smartphone (like the main series) is a moment I lose half of my heart.

I don't mind sidegames on smartphones though.
 
Codraroll said:
I actually think Pokémon Go will affect the future generations of Pokémon more than Sun and Moon. With Go, Nintendo has seen how enormously popular a Pokémon game can be on mobile phones. We're reaching a stage where every common smart phone can do most of the stuff the 3DS can (maybe apart from the 3D, but I have no doubt that will come in the future too). Having to run on a dedicated hardware will sooner or later hurt Pokémon's sales - after all, a kid with a mobile phone and tablet will soon be able to play games just as good as those on Nintendo's handhelds. No need to buy a 3DS for your kid any more, he'll have plenty of quality games to choose from on his phone. Also, it's more of a bother to lug around a second device solely for games, and changing/storing cartridges is a bit of a pain. A smart phone is capable of doing 95 % of all digital tasks you want to do on the fly; the need to have a second device for the last 5 % is increasingly archaic.

With that in mind, I wouldn't be too surprised to see Gen 8 as a smartphone game. Or, well, Nintendo probably has the successor to the 3DS in the pipeline, and wish to use Pokémon as a "hardware seller" game, so Gen 8 might be a bit early, but still I think they're at least considering to discontinue their strategy of dedicated handheld hardware. Making the leap to smartphones opens up to a much greater customer base, eases distribution (which lowers end costs for consumers), standardizes game development, and utilizes the superior connectivity of modern phones. Patching games and player-to-player communication is a little cumbersome on the 3DS, on phones both are a trivial task. If there is a new handheld console on the way (we have no idea what the NX even is), I think it will be Nintendo's last.


Or at least, if anything, the success of Go means we'll see more Nintendo spin-off games on smartphones from now on.
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Masuda did say to look for compatibility of Go with SunMoon. With the fanbase and the world itself to an extension practically divided, running main series on smartphone isn't that good either. After all, Nintendo also look to sell their handhelds which is what they're good at, I think. Even if Go is ultimately taking over the world, the main series and Pokemon itself is one of strongest franchise within Nintendo even without it. Instead, yeah, the last sentence with main series for dedicated fans. Hey, they may even give advantages to those who keep on the handhelds and vice versa and market the main series games from there too.
 
Hmm... let's wait to see what the NX brings us before we say Nintendo will start making third party games. Even though GF is second party, Nintendo does own a third of Pokemon and I think GF would generally agree to go with what they're planning.
 
The handhelds are not going anywhere. The 3DS family sold more than the PS4 and Xbox One combined.

On the other hand, I feel that Gen 7 Pokemon will DEFINITELY be the next Pokemon to show up in Pokemon Go and, unfortunately for me and probably others, I feel that Pokemon Go transfer to the main series could be the progenitor of the Gen 7 Hidden Abilities.
 
Codraroll said:
I actually think Pokémon Go will affect the future generations of Pokémon more than Sun and Moon. With Go, Nintendo has seen how enormously popular a Pokémon game can be on mobile phones. We're reaching a stage where every common smart phone can do most of the stuff the 3DS can (maybe apart from the 3D, but I have no doubt that will come in the future too). Having to run on a dedicated hardware will sooner or later hurt Pokémon's sales - after all, a kid with a mobile phone and tablet will soon be able to play games just as good as those on Nintendo's handhelds. No need to buy a 3DS for your kid any more, he'll have plenty of quality games to choose from on his phone. Also, it's more of a bother to lug around a second device solely for games, and changing/storing cartridges is a bit of a pain. A smart phone is capable of doing 95 % of all digital tasks you want to do on the fly; the need to have a second device for the last 5 % is increasingly archaic.

With that in mind, I wouldn't be too surprised to see Gen 8 as a smartphone game. Or, well, Nintendo probably has the successor to the 3DS in the pipeline, and wish to use Pokémon as a "hardware seller" game, so Gen 8 might be a bit early, but still I think they're at least considering to discontinue their strategy of dedicated handheld hardware. Making the leap to smartphones opens up to a much greater customer base, eases distribution (which lowers end costs for consumers), standardizes game development, and utilizes the superior connectivity of modern phones. Patching games and player-to-player communication is a little cumbersome on the 3DS, on phones both are a trivial task. If there is a new handheld console on the way (we have no idea what the NX even is), I think it will be Nintendo's last..
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Highly doubt that. Nintendo always did very well selling handheld consoles, adopting exclusively third part platforms would be detrimental in that sense. Handheld consoles can and will be different from smartphones, maybe even integrating with future home consoles (rumors says that about future NX and DS successor), and there's no way Nintendo is going to cut off them that soon. Of course developing new games for other platforms such as GO for smartphones and tablet can be a great opportunity to increase popularity, but that's far from causing the extinction of main handheld consoles. Dedicated consoles are just too comfortable for gaming to cease to exist atm, it's a solid concept able to co-exist with generalistic devices... If home consoles are doing that with PCs, can't see why handhelds can't with smartphones. I've both a 3ds and an iPhone, and I would never prefer the latter for gaming, despite it being much better performing hardware/software-wise (and I'm hardly a nostalgic person).
 
Mimikyu/Mimichu/however you want to anglicanise it is a fine name but GOD DAMN I have never wanted a name so badly as I want this one to be Pikaboo. DO NOT TURN DOWN THIS OPPORTUNITY, GAME FREAK! It's just so frikkin' perfect. Fingers crossed for today.

Worst case scenario, it becomes everyone's favourite nickname, I guess.
 
I know that Pikaboo is cute, but if Mimikyu turns out to have different costumes it wouldn't make sense. And that's what I'm truly hoping, considering its concept. If it really turns out to be a mimic, it could also have "object costumes" instead of only pokémon ones, and I'd love it in its complexity.
 
IcyMan28 said:
Id rather it not be named Pikaboo. That way it isn't limited to this appearance and actually has a chance to evolve.
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There aren't many time me gimmick Pokemon evolve. (Are there any?) and I doubt it since the last costume changing Pokemon couldn't but it would be cool.
 
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