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NOC a nice basic game of actual mafia - game over - won by the Mafia
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Opinions can change. And I think it's better if people are flexible with their opinions rather than bite on what they thought early on and never let it go. Isn't mafia a game of constantly reviewing yourself and the surroundings? I appreciate that Whydon was willing to reevaluate and accepting to other possibilities, and he's certainly not the only person with changing opinions. Though in this case, yes it does benefit me, and Whydon was an example of a more drastic / obvious change in opinion whereas most people don't have such a large change.
Anyway I'd just like to clarify I'm not saying Whydon/me/Aubisio are clean. I just want to bring up that the probability of all of us being mafia all together is very low if we infer that between me and Whydon, and me and Aubisio, there's likely only one mafia in each set. I want to disprove the 4 person wagon as something that is highly unlikely due to interactions between us that would less likely happen if we're all mafia and stop this notion from ever gaining traction.
Early wagons are imo just a sign that village might get led by their nose, whether or not it is actually the case.
Anyway I'd just like to clarify I'm not saying Whydon/me/Aubisio are clean. I just want to bring up that the probability of all of us being mafia all together is very low if we infer that between me and Whydon, and me and Aubisio, there's likely only one mafia in each set. I want to disprove the 4 person wagon as something that is highly unlikely due to interactions between us that would less likely happen if we're all mafia and stop this notion from ever gaining traction.
Early wagons are imo just a sign that village might get led by their nose, whether or not it is actually the case.
Ugh. So clarity. I'm honestly surprised that there are no votes for Whydon and was trying to figure out why the antibandwagon was happening.
At this point, Town reading blazade. However this latest interaction does make me feel that it's sand and Whydon as mafia. I'm roughly 70% confident so might as well say
Lynch whydon
At this point, Town reading blazade. However this latest interaction does make me feel that it's sand and Whydon as mafia. I'm roughly 70% confident so might as well say
Lynch whydon
I'm gonna bite and poke a bit here. I can agree with the Blazade town read. However, since you do feel that Blazade is likely town, yet you're voting Whydon which he unvoted for? I can understand you might still want to classify both Whydon and I as mafia because that's what you feel, but what makes you feel that way? Have what I mentioned insufficient to sway your feelings and if so why? Or does it reinforce your view?
Given that you town lean Blazade, why are you so willing to lynch Whydon so quickly after his Blazade unvoting? What made you feel that your opinion may be more valid that Blazade's? Is there something you notice but he didn't at that point?
And if you feel that both of us are mafia, isn't myself a safer lynch since there's no town lean that disagrees with it atm?
Sorry for the question spammm.
Why did you ask Former Hope about his actions but not Whydon about him suddenly not scumreading you?
Didn't oddish already ask about that.
Seems fair enough I guess. Can you address the remaining questions if possible though thanksss.
Okay, so I decided to look back at Aubisio, which involved me reading over almost the entire damn thread more than once. And yeah, Aubisio is definitely beginning to look suspicious to me. Here's what I noticed:
- Posts have very little substance, being mostly one liners or non-descriptive answers to questions. Seems like they're trying to be seen as active without actually having to put much effort into what they post. They've overall contributed little to the discussions at hand.
- "What if we don't have a scumread?" (Page 12, post 280) 12 pages and no scumread is definitely odd. Idk how I let this one slide. I called out Sandshrewz for having no scumreads by then, but somehow, Aubisio slipped right past me. Guess I just have a hard time focusing on multiple people at once.
- Claims to not know how to scumread, only attempts to when pushed. (Sorta like Sandshrewz)
- Claims tropius is scummy, yet provides no reason as to why. (Page 15, post 363) Honestly it feels more like they said it to try and get themselves off the hook.
- “However, I felt that tropius might be saying that empoof was town a little bit too much.” (Page 23, post 562) What does that even mean?
- “i think tropiusisbae remains at the same level of scum read as before because they might have been really town reading Empoof or trying to make themselves appear town when he flipped.” (Page 23, post 562) I guess that explains things…? Hardly. Once again, posts have little substance and aren't very clear.
- When King asked them for their opinions on me, Blazade, Haruno, and Jalmont, they had pretty much nothing of value to offer. Descriptions kept short and don’t reveal much. Said their opinion on Haruno didn’t change, but never expressed one to begin with. Also didn’t express an opinion on Jalmont prior to this post, and the one expressed here is really not an opinion at all. (Page 23, post 573)
- King_ asked them to go into detail about the aforementioned opinions and they never did.
Overall, I'm leaning scum. It just seems like they're trying to lie low as much as possible. Their posts have very little to offer and they don't seem to want to go into much detail about their feelings. Still, I will consider the possibility that they are newbtown.
I also acknowledge at this point that it's possible Whydon and Sandshrewz are not a scum team. However, I still think at least one of them is mafia, so they're not completely out of the woods yet. I see some parallels between Aubisio and Sandshrewz, especially earlier in the game, but at least Sandshrewz is trying now to actively take part in discussion and make posts that mean something, so I'm keeping my mind open.
Plan on looking into DLE next. Their absence is worrying me.
- Posts have very little substance, being mostly one liners or non-descriptive answers to questions. Seems like they're trying to be seen as active without actually having to put much effort into what they post. They've overall contributed little to the discussions at hand.
- "What if we don't have a scumread?" (Page 12, post 280) 12 pages and no scumread is definitely odd. Idk how I let this one slide. I called out Sandshrewz for having no scumreads by then, but somehow, Aubisio slipped right past me. Guess I just have a hard time focusing on multiple people at once.
- Claims to not know how to scumread, only attempts to when pushed. (Sorta like Sandshrewz)
- Claims tropius is scummy, yet provides no reason as to why. (Page 15, post 363) Honestly it feels more like they said it to try and get themselves off the hook.
- “However, I felt that tropius might be saying that empoof was town a little bit too much.” (Page 23, post 562) What does that even mean?
- “i think tropiusisbae remains at the same level of scum read as before because they might have been really town reading Empoof or trying to make themselves appear town when he flipped.” (Page 23, post 562) I guess that explains things…? Hardly. Once again, posts have little substance and aren't very clear.
- When King asked them for their opinions on me, Blazade, Haruno, and Jalmont, they had pretty much nothing of value to offer. Descriptions kept short and don’t reveal much. Said their opinion on Haruno didn’t change, but never expressed one to begin with. Also didn’t express an opinion on Jalmont prior to this post, and the one expressed here is really not an opinion at all. (Page 23, post 573)
- King_ asked them to go into detail about the aforementioned opinions and they never did.
Overall, I'm leaning scum. It just seems like they're trying to lie low as much as possible. Their posts have very little to offer and they don't seem to want to go into much detail about their feelings. Still, I will consider the possibility that they are newbtown.
I also acknowledge at this point that it's possible Whydon and Sandshrewz are not a scum team. However, I still think at least one of them is mafia, so they're not completely out of the woods yet. I see some parallels between Aubisio and Sandshrewz, especially earlier in the game, but at least Sandshrewz is trying now to actively take part in discussion and make posts that mean something, so I'm keeping my mind open.
Plan on looking into DLE next. Their absence is worrying me.
Sorry all, didn't want to deal with noc yesterday. I'll get caught up in a few hours
Just to inform, I won't be voting and won't be online for deadline. I don't have too strong an opinion right now and it seems that the votes are all pretty spread out too. Good luck with the lynch~
I want to lynch sandshrewz now lmfao
Da Letter El how do you feel about the current suspicion of you? Do you have any other opinions on the last couple pages of the thread?
lol i'm not comfortable with lynching anyone atm...... what do you want me to do? bandwagon? lols. I don't see today's lynch going anywhere but a mislynch at the current rate it's going, and most of the things happen just before deadline when I'll never be up for.
I do acknowledge the missing presence of DLE. But I won't be on to see his response or whatever. I'm not going to just blindly lynch someone if I don't have sufficient info to justify it and I'm not on board the idea of doing a 'pressure lynch' if I can't retract it if it becomes necessary.
If anyone wants to think otherwise feel free to. I'm not going to be pressured to vote just because of that. If I'm going to vote, I'm going to vote on something I am reasonably confident in. And the progress of D2 hasn't really helped me too much on getting a confident lynch. One mislynch is one less kill mafia has to make. And given how different the current votes are, I'm not taking chances making an ignorant vote. Not going to vote for the sake of voting while not being sufficiently confident if that is what's more likely to harm village.
If you guys still want me to list whoever is on my suspicion list, it's still Haruno, Aubisio, DLE fwiw. But there hasn't seem to be a really firm opinion on them either so I'm not going to influence what the rest wants to decide on. There's probably a few more I'm really questioning a little but I don't have the luxury of writing a proper post... I have an exam in like 6h and I'm not even asleep lols...
Do I really have to explain a no lynch every day cycle if the progress only speeds up at the end of the day? e_e Also Empoof lynch I basically had no input on and it went on anyway and that way too.
If you guys want me lynched for whatever reason, I'd want to say that, no I'll just flip village and it will not help with the Whydon/Aubisio situation. Idrk if it looks like I'm buddying them or they're buddying me or whatever. Village should really consider the current pace and decide if they still want to poke back and forth separately or decide on trying to narrow down appropriately while being wary of a possible bad/misled wagon.
I do acknowledge the missing presence of DLE. But I won't be on to see his response or whatever. I'm not going to just blindly lynch someone if I don't have sufficient info to justify it and I'm not on board the idea of doing a 'pressure lynch' if I can't retract it if it becomes necessary.
If anyone wants to think otherwise feel free to. I'm not going to be pressured to vote just because of that. If I'm going to vote, I'm going to vote on something I am reasonably confident in. And the progress of D2 hasn't really helped me too much on getting a confident lynch. One mislynch is one less kill mafia has to make. And given how different the current votes are, I'm not taking chances making an ignorant vote. Not going to vote for the sake of voting while not being sufficiently confident if that is what's more likely to harm village.
If you guys still want me to list whoever is on my suspicion list, it's still Haruno, Aubisio, DLE fwiw. But there hasn't seem to be a really firm opinion on them either so I'm not going to influence what the rest wants to decide on. There's probably a few more I'm really questioning a little but I don't have the luxury of writing a proper post... I have an exam in like 6h and I'm not even asleep lols...
Do I really have to explain a no lynch every day cycle if the progress only speeds up at the end of the day? e_e Also Empoof lynch I basically had no input on and it went on anyway and that way too.
If you guys want me lynched for whatever reason, I'd want to say that, no I'll just flip village and it will not help with the Whydon/Aubisio situation. Idrk if it looks like I'm buddying them or they're buddying me or whatever. Village should really consider the current pace and decide if they still want to poke back and forth separately or decide on trying to narrow down appropriately while being wary of a possible bad/misled wagon.
It is 100% incorrect to be no lynching d2 is all I am going to say
I'm not sure if you're referring to calling for no lynch or simply not voting. I'm going for the latter in any case.
Would you be happier if I decided to rand lynch whoever I thought could be mafia even if I lacked supporting arguments and better still if it resulted in a mislynch by chance?
All the Empoof Jalmont thing going on turned out to be so misled anyway.
It'd be more detrimental for me to just do a relatively blind lynch and give mafia an opening to wagon my lynch and hey how convenient they can throw the mislynch blame to me too.
I'm not going to risk village numbers irresponsibly with my unsupported vote atm. I'm not going to interfere with more informed votes (hopefully) that are going to be done during my absence.
Who am I to vote who to lynch if the risk is far greater than the reward at this juncture.
But in future cycles if they're lynches I agree with I'd definitely vote that. Now my vote would just do more harm than good.
Good night peace Z_Z
Would you be happier if I decided to rand lynch whoever I thought could be mafia even if I lacked supporting arguments and better still if it resulted in a mislynch by chance?
All the Empoof Jalmont thing going on turned out to be so misled anyway.
It'd be more detrimental for me to just do a relatively blind lynch and give mafia an opening to wagon my lynch and hey how convenient they can throw the mislynch blame to me too.
I'm not going to risk village numbers irresponsibly with my unsupported vote atm. I'm not going to interfere with more informed votes (hopefully) that are going to be done during my absence.
Who am I to vote who to lynch if the risk is far greater than the reward at this juncture.
But in future cycles if they're lynches I agree with I'd definitely vote that. Now my vote would just do more harm than good.
Good night peace Z_Z
You aren't risking reducing the village numbers we are going to lynch today otherwise we need 2 no lynches to live an extra day which does nothing and you refusing to commit to anything is scummy as fuck
Yeah sandshrewz is just doing so much scummy shit and is saying I'm just noob town and at this point I can't buy his defenses anymore
Some brief stuff before I go pouring back through the thread.
I think Blazade has been scummy but I almost always scumread him. He should know this is my idle town play but instead he's doing this wishy washy dance between "here's the pro-town shit he's done; here's the anti-town shit he's done" and refuses to take a side. It feels like he wants a mislynch on me but doesn't want responsibility for it. That said, I wouldn't want him lynched off of this read since a. he subbed in for towny OM Room and b. my read on him in DBZ was mostly wrong when he was town and I'm worried I'm just wrong on him again here. Although in that game I was wrong mostly because he had a lot of info that made his opinions "weird." His dumb-tell read on king_ was really good though and I don't know if he points it out if he's scum.
I really dislike sandshrewz' D2; it feels like a partner told shrewz not to vote and shrewz is sticking with it in thread.
Former Hope is deep in the tunnel on Whydon but I can't tell if it's town tunnel or scum tunnel. I don't think there's been enough pressure on him to tell.
Aubisio has done nothing to change my scumread on him. Continues to lurk.
I think Whydon's d2 was not great but fine; it feels like it comes from consistent frustrated town. Would rather not lynch him today and want to give him more time.
I think king's play with tropius was super duper anti-town but I don't think he's scum. I think he's town but just wrong on tropius.
Tropius is still one of my top town. Nothing from the weird peeks discussion changed my opinion on her.
Twin's towny af today
Oddish is still towny
shubaka sheepin hard. even outright admits he is lurking and doesn't get pressed on it with votes. Really weird dynamic.
Top 3 scum are easy for me: shubaka, aubisio, sandshrewz and I want to lynch from them today.
I think it's bad, not scummy bad but wrong bad. I hate using my being idle as a defense but this is idle town dle play a la my first mafia championships game. I would take days off at a time to cool down over stuff that bothered me. I was annoyed by how peeks were seeming to blow up in everyone's face and really didn't want to play when I could instead just watch anime. Scum idle DLE doesn't have an impetus for going idle, goes sporadic in posting, and doesn't try to facilitate as much activity d1.
I think Blazade has been scummy but I almost always scumread him. He should know this is my idle town play but instead he's doing this wishy washy dance between "here's the pro-town shit he's done; here's the anti-town shit he's done" and refuses to take a side. It feels like he wants a mislynch on me but doesn't want responsibility for it. That said, I wouldn't want him lynched off of this read since a. he subbed in for towny OM Room and b. my read on him in DBZ was mostly wrong when he was town and I'm worried I'm just wrong on him again here. Although in that game I was wrong mostly because he had a lot of info that made his opinions "weird." His dumb-tell read on king_ was really good though and I don't know if he points it out if he's scum.
I really dislike sandshrewz' D2; it feels like a partner told shrewz not to vote and shrewz is sticking with it in thread.
Former Hope is deep in the tunnel on Whydon but I can't tell if it's town tunnel or scum tunnel. I don't think there's been enough pressure on him to tell.
Aubisio has done nothing to change my scumread on him. Continues to lurk.
I think Whydon's d2 was not great but fine; it feels like it comes from consistent frustrated town. Would rather not lynch him today and want to give him more time.
I think king's play with tropius was super duper anti-town but I don't think he's scum. I think he's town but just wrong on tropius.
Tropius is still one of my top town. Nothing from the weird peeks discussion changed my opinion on her.
Twin's towny af today
Oddish is still towny
shubaka sheepin hard. even outright admits he is lurking and doesn't get pressed on it with votes. Really weird dynamic.
Top 3 scum are easy for me: shubaka, aubisio, sandshrewz and I want to lynch from them today.
Fuck it lets turbo sandshrewz
Unvote Lynch Sandshrewz
Unvote Lynch Sandshrewz
Yeah this game isn't enjoyable when half of the people are afk sub me out pls
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