SPOILERS! Pokemon Sun and Moon Full Game Datamine General Discussion Thread

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stage7_4 said:
Just got back from the Z-move forum.

According to tests with the original demo, using a Z-move against something immune to it both blocks the Z-move and uses up your crystal. So using Hydro Vortex on a Water Absorb 'mon would both heal the opponent and use up your 1 Z-move.
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What really? well that sucks! oh well. a man can dream.
but gives hope that the game doesn't recognise a Z-move as being a sound based move and hit soundproof Pokemon.

Do you know if Z-moves are effected by accuracy drops or evasion though. Bright powder too! Do they all hit like faint attack and swift, or can they actually miss, and that's you Z-move used up for the game.
 
DK Quagmire said:
What really? well that sucks! oh well. a man can dream.

Do you know if Z-moves are effected by accuracy drops or evasion though. Bright powder too! Do they all hit like faint attack and swift, or can they actually miss, and that's you Z-move used up for the game.
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No idea on accuracy.

You might want to take this all to the Z-move thread instead of here.
 
Is there a list anywhere of all of the available 'Mons pre-bank? Is it just the Alolan Dex? Or will there be more 'Mons available post-game/post-Alolan Dex?
 
Valiant Scizor said:
Is there a list anywhere of all of the available 'Mons pre-bank? Is it just the Alolan Dex? Or will there be more 'Mons available post-game/post-Alolan Dex?
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it sounds like you can use the QR scanner to get out of dex pokemon but i'm not sure of all the specifics


also it sounds like you can use the ultra beasts in the battle tree
 
clapyourhands said:
I honestly can't emphasize enough how much I love the new Pokedex entries. I honestly think that the Sun/Moon ones blew it out of the park; at least one of the versions adds something new for every Pokemon. They also expand on how Pokemon interact with one another as well as with humans, which is something I feel like was sorely lacking up until these games. I've only gone through the a small fraction of them or so at this point, but there are so many things that help flesh out the universe here and there. Here's just a few highlights:

- Spearow, usually maligned in dex entries, help farmers with pest control; conversely, Diglett, who have up until now only been painted to be an aid to farmers by tilling the soil, can also be pests when they enter unwanted fields to eat crops

- Fearow appear in ancient murals for unknown reasons; on the topic of ancient humans, coastal tribes used Shellder shells to fashion shields and discarded Cloyster spikes for spearheads

- A popular belief is that sighting two Clefable skipping together will lead to a happy marriage; like the Fearow one, it doesn't seem to mean much, but it's a fun tidbit that shows a bit of the culture of the Pokemon world

- The relation between the Machop line and humans, while it has been mentioned before, is really emphasized in these dex entries; other connections with humans appear, llke how Poliwrath populations each have their own swimming styles (ie: breaststroke) and will gladly teach them to humans; Golem shells being used as fertilizer was a logical extension of how they shed periodically, a fact that we already knew; similarly, the Slowpoke entries build upon what we know about their tails and show how Alolans use them in cooking; Grimer and Muk as well as Garbodor numbers are declining because of improved environmental efforts and may even go extinct.

- A lot of stuff about Pokemon relationships in the wild. Shiinotic and Parasect compete for land. Mandibuzz prey on lonely Cubone for an easy meal as well as bones, but Marowak despise them because of this and try to take them down. Crabrawler hunt Exeggcute (and Exeggcute have DNA similar to actual plants and other Grass-types, implying that 1) most Grass-types don't usually have plantlike DNA, otherwise this fact wouldn't be notable and 2) Exeggute are perhaps evolutionary ancestors of other Grass-types). Goldeen mate in the spring, but Seaking mate in the fall. Lumineon nibble on Staryu and Starmie in the ocean depths, but the latter don't mind because they regenerate so quickly; Finneon are easy prey for Pelipper, as are Luvdisc. Mareanie and Toxapex decimate Corsola reefs.

And this all came from the first 120 or so Pokemon plus a handful of others out of what is now over 800; there is simply so much new information. As a final tidbit, I'll leave you guys with this:



Perhaps we've been associating Braviary with the wrong side of American history.
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Is it just me or does Rufflet and Braviary look more like red Indians than representing America?
I mean Rufflet DOES have a red feather sticking out of its hair. and Braviary looks like it's wearing a headdress
 
Someone recently uploaded a battle against Red on youtube. i'll post a link in the below spoiler tag, but it has raised some questions about other important characters.

heres the video:

The question here is this. In singles we only use 3 Pokemon and the opponent also only uses 3. Presuming that Red here is using his full roster from HG/SS, is his team randomly choosing only 3 out of his 6 Pokemon to fight with, to go within the battle rules?

This goes back to Dome ace Tucker in Emerald, where you had a 3 Pokemon team, but at the start of every match you could only pick 2 Pokemon, and when facing Dome ace tucker, you never knew which 2 Pokemon of his 3 he was going to use... only this time the bosses would have a roster of 6 and you never know which 3 out of the 6 they will pick.
 
So I'm curious about Passimian's receiver ability (and probably by extension Muk's power of alchemy). Does this ability even work in singles or is it doubles only?
 
Hi,
Would someone explain how to read "Moon Version Wild Encounters"?
What are "table" and "slot"?

Thanks in advance
 
Accidentally posted this in the wrong thread the first time, reposting since people will likely go to this thread for this type of info:

So I'm Swaggering wild Pokemon with Unaware Quagsire and their physical attacks aren't doing more damage. I've tried eliminating every variable that could be something I'm messing up, and there's nothing. Unaware still works defensively, this is confirmed.
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I made sure I'm right on this. The only change to Unaware in Sun and Moon is Gamefreak's terrible ability description.
 
Hey... I know this question may have been asked way too many times now... but...

Is Eviolite and Unaware nerfed? I don't really want to check in the text data, I want to avoid as many spoilers as possible

Edit: Ninja'd in Unaware.. still wondering about evolite
 
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Zukrad said:
Hey... I know this question may have been asked way too many times now... but...

Is Eviolite and Unaware nerfed? I don't really want to check in the text data, I want to avoid as many spoilers as possible

Edit: Ninja'd in Unaware.. still wondering about evolite
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I think Eviolite only boosts Defense and Sp. Defense by 20% now.
 
R_N said:
That would be interesting since they usually dont state the % boosts on these types of items
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And it DOESN'T.


According to Eviolite's description on the game text dump, Eviolite does have the same in-game description/flavor text from XY (A mysterious Evolutionary lump. When held by a Pokémon that can still evolve, it raises both Defense and Sp. Def.).


There is NO IMAGES, nor anything that proves that Eviolite is nerfed. At least Unaware had an ambiguous flavor text to feed rumors. Eviolite being nerfed is pure bullshit coming from people that want Stall dead.
 
caruru said:
And it DOESN'T.


According to Eviolite's description on the game text dump, Eviolite does have the same in-game description/flavor text from XY (
A mysterious Evolutionary lump. When held by a Pokémon that can still evolve, it raises both Defense and Sp. Def.).


There is NO IMAGES, no anything, that proves that Eviolite is nerfed. At least Unaware had an ambiguous flavor text to feed rumors. Eviolite being nerfed is pure bs lol
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I did see a pretty legitimate image floating around, so I assumed to be the case.
 
UltiMario said:
Confirming Beast Boost buffs the highest true stat.

In the event of ties, the priority is Atk -> Def -> SpA -> SpD -> Spe, where Atk would be the highest priority to buff and Speed would be the lowest.
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So when you say it buffs the highest true stat, you mean the stat value including EVs (and not just base), and that you can't have multiple things boost simultaneously (which would be broken).
 
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