Quick mechanics question: does Core Enforcer only work once Power Construct has activated, or can the other two Zygarde formes use it?
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7pokebankanythinggoes-480318851Quick mechanics question: does Core Enforcer only work once Power Construct has activated, or can the other two Zygarde formes use it?
I know this can be a bit of a stretch,
I see your line of reasoning, but that's something I'd rather analyze in a suspect test at some point later down the line.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7pokebankanythinggoes-480318851
I don't know about the other Zygarde forms, but looks like it.
Can someone tell me why people in the old Zygarde thread didn't think this is broken? I mean some other people including me and not knowing the "Sitrus Berry" effect of the ability said that Zygarde with Healing Wish Support would be busted.
Like... it has better physical bulk than Blissey has special bulk. It has Dragon Dance and is similar to Garchomp. Whut
I think people were just underwhelmed. They expected Zygarde to become this badass Mega Rayquaza destroying beast, but instead it "just" got double HP. Everyone wrote it off as just Zen Mode v2 because they didn't think it would be easy to activate, especially with the "252 Atk 252 Spe" meme.Can someone tell me why people in the old Zygarde thread didn't think this is broken? I mean some other people including me and not knowing the "Sitrus Berry" effect of the ability said that Zygarde with Healing Wish Support would be busted.
Like... it has better physical bulk than Blissey has special bulk. It has Dragon Dance and is similar to Garchomp. Whut
By the way, what do you think of giving Zygarde a consumable item?
A Groundium Z is not a very good idea as you'd need to sacrifice bulk to 2HKO Unaware Clefable or Quagsire with Tectonic Rage.
What about a Berry? Maybe Maranga to further boost its special bulk. Yache could also be a candidate so that it can take even the strongest Ice-type moves out there and transform into 100%.
Can someone tell me why people in the old Zygarde thread didn't think this is broken? I mean some other people including me and not knowing the "Sitrus Berry" effect of the ability said that Zygarde with Healing Wish Support would be busted.
Like... it has better physical bulk than Blissey has special bulk. It has Dragon Dance and is similar to Garchomp. Whut
By the way, what do you think of giving Zygarde a consumable item?
A Groundium Z is not a very good idea as you'd need to sacrifice bulk to 2HKO Unaware Clefable or Quagsire with Tectonic Rage.
What about a Berry? Maybe Maranga to further boost its special bulk. Yache could also be a candidate so that it can take even the strongest Ice-type moves out there and transform into 100%.
No, we're not going to ban Thousand Arrows. That move has nothing to do with luck, form changes, or any other condition that requires us to take special consideration for a move, item, or ability. It's just a strong move with great coverage. Power Construct is one thing because it actually involves a form change, so banning it would be akin to banning Mega stones as a practical way of banning the Mega form. If Zygarde is still broken after that, we ban Zygarde. I mean, if we couldn't ban King's Shield to save Aegislash even though it actually had a semi-luck element to it, then we certainly aren't going to ban Thousand Arrows to save Zygarde just because it's a really good Ground STAB.
Thousand Arrows is without a doubt the main reason why Zygarde-C is completely broken. It's fundamentally bad in design since it outright bypasses an immunity without any drawbacks. Without it, mono-attacking sets would be destroyed by Ground immunes, and it would be extremely difficult for it to sweep with just Dragon / Ground coverage.
I'm not saying I want to ban the move, but it is absolutely "King's Shield" tier in terms of ridiculousness.
It's just another really powerful signature move, and it's not the first of its kind. V-Create helped get Victini banned from UU, King's Shield helped get Aegislash banned from OU, and now Thousand Arrows might help Zygarde get banned from OU. In previous cases, we always banned the Pokemon instead of the move. This case should be no different.