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"GG" and hax; what am I supposed to do?

californiagurl: im going to stall
ahtrojan: ok
ahtrojan: my time doesnt go down after i select a move though
ahtrojan: so i wont lose to time expiration
ahtrojan: and i'm not going to quit
californiagurl: have fun waiting the next 5 minutes u haxing piece of shit
ahtrojan: wow, thats pretty noobish
ahtrojan: i cant control hax
ahtrojan: and i could just go get something to drink....
californiagurl: i dont give a damn
californiagurl has left the room.
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well, after something like this, i dont say gg....his gyarados got paralyzed against my weezing and i killed it w/ T-bolt after his got fully paralyzed...which wouldnt have killed weezing anyway...then his gengars hypnosis missed 3 times straight and i killed it w/ dragonite, so i was down to about 2:49 and he says he is going to stall me out and make me wait the 5 minutes, but he gives up and leaves

normally yes, but in these situations, no
 
Um............................................................................................................................................................................................I doubt anyone actually 'respects' anyone cause you know everyone must think at one point or another "Damn this guy has no life" before everyone realizes that they fit in the same mold, so I don't know why everyone's saying that people say "gg to show respect for a battler" Plus, everyone also knows that people act like asses to people who they think are newbies. For example, if you're playing against the recent winner of a 200 man tourney, you're goin to be 'respectful' yet if the same person goes under a random nick and acts a little obnoxious, you're goin to be flaming the shit out of him.

P.S. If someone stalls out for battle timeout, you ALWAYS HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION. Because if they move while you're out getting a drink, guess who's going to time out.
 
DougJustDoug said:
I think the OP is quite brave to make such bold statements. Most people are too bashful or modest make a sassy remark like "GG" at the end of hax win. For me personally, I'm adamant that if my opponent makes the rash assumption that I'm trying to be impish, I stay calm and make a careful response. Normally, this makes the post-game more relaxed and has a tendency to quiet the situation. However, I'm not naive. I know that certain quirky individuals will still react negatively, no matter how gentle or docile I am attempting to behave. While most people think I'm jolly most of the time, I can get serious when necessary. I have a hardy ego, and I'm not timid about sharing my opinions, sometimes using naughty four-letter words in the process. If people can't handle it, they can play by themselves, which is a pretty lonely proposition.
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One of my favorite posts. Ever.
 
I think a lot of people are just sore losers and aren't really thinking about the situation. For instance, there's a large difference between calling hax when you get swept by a DD Gyarados after 1 DD because your first counter gets crit to death, and then the second one gets crit, survives, but gets Waterfall Flinched so you can't OHKO ... and Garchomp Sandveil Brightpowder. I mean, Garchomp could just as easily chump Weavile using a Choice Scarf. Different movesets, items, EV spreads all have their own pluses and minuses.
 
Nature post kicks ass. If only the natures were relevant somehow, like if it were a discussion on natures in some way, instead of a random joke.
 
Need to just echo that the natures post is truly brilliant.

I think perhaps the skill aspect of the game is getting unfairly passed over in this thread. I realize nobody is suggesting skill isn't important but I think it's important to keep in mind that although you can "win by hax" it may still be that, if your opponent had made a better move somewhere in the match, they'd still have one more Pokemon at the end and that hax wouldn't have sealed the deal. I know I have had tons of matches where I've lost due to a crit or something and at first I've been disappointed, but then realized that if I had made a better switchin at some point in the past some other Pokemon might still be alive that could have handled the situation regardless of hax. And furthermore, you may "win" with hax, but usually both players get several instances of great luck in a single game. It often could be the case that if both players' instances of hax were removed, the outcome would have been the same.

Now I'm not trying to say that someone can't play better than the other player and still lose. They obviously can. But I don't really agree with statements like "Pokemon is a game of luck." It is a game of skill where luck plays a large role. I know this because I started playing at the tail end of advance and I was awful, and now although I would not say I am good, my win rate has improved tremendously compared to what it used to be. In general I find that every time I make a new team and put a lot of careful thought into it, I get better results than I did with my last team. And it's no coincidence that the best players in the community, from what I can tell, tend to be the ones who have been playing the longest.

Anyway I guess the way this factors into the topic is just that while we all agree it's stupid to get mad about luck, I don't think it's necessarily for the reason mostly being stated in this thread. I think the main reason it's stupid is that you probably got lucky at points in the match yourself, and the other player's good decisions may have put them in a situation that allowed them to get lucky in the first place. Certainly it is bad sportsmanship to overemphasize luck in a game that, although somewhat luck-based, is more skill than anything else.
 
Like most people in this thread have already said, "gg" is generally a sign of good sportsmanship now. Reguardless of the outcome of the game, I'll say it.

Luck in pokemon is a tricky topic. The reason people get so angry when it affects the outcome of a match could be that they feel they've been cheated out of a win. While it was simple probability, hax can still be frustrating if your sweeper is killed by a quick clawing bronzong. They took the risk of putting quick claw on it, and it paid off that time. I for one know that it's part of the game, but luck still dampens the fun of pokemon sometimes. Even if I get incredibly lucky at the end of a match, the win still feels dirty.

oh yeah, and awesome post doug
 
fat teekay
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Agreed.
I completely disagree with the notion that Pokemon is a game of luck. Sure, luck is a factor which can determine a few games, but play skill will win (and lose) you more matches than luck ever will.
I also don't understand how some people can get so angry over something so small as a single battle out of thousands. Really, if it's not a great, epic tournament of which the prize money would go to keeping your family alive, get over it. This is what I like about stuff like Shoddy: You lose a game? Nobody cares. Just go back in and find another battle.
The game of Pokemon is to have fun. Like many others, I have fun with improving myself, and I realize that some see winning as the sign of improvement, but lessons can also be made from losing as per an old proverb.
I'm not saying that losing in particular will grant you new skills in and of itself, but when you have a close game, down to the wire, with both player's in a sweat thinking of a way to break the other, it's okay to lose to hax. The game was well fought up to that point, and you put your mind to it. There's no reason to be upset.
 
Don't laugh at me, but I apologize most of the time whenever I get lucky. I never complain whenever I get unlucky as well. So when I win and luck was a part of it, I would say something like "sorry about the hax and good battle" etc. If I lose because of unluckiness, I never mention it; I just say "good game" or make an emoticon of a crying smilie, to make the situation a bit jollier for me, lol.
 
suck it up. Hax is part of the game. If we didn't have hax Pokémon would be boring.
 
DougJustDoug said:
I think the OP is quite brave to make such bold statements. Most people are too bashful or modest make a sassy remark like "GG" at the end of hax win. For me personally, I'm adamant that if my opponent makes the rash assumption that I'm trying to be impish, I stay calm and make a careful response. Normally, this makes the post-game more relaxed and has a tendency to quiet the situation. However, I'm not naive. I know that certain quirky individuals will still react negatively, no matter how gentle or docile I am attempting to behave. While most people think I'm jolly most of the time, I can get serious when necessary. I have a hardy ego, and I'm not timid about sharing my opinions, sometimes using naughty four-letter words in the process. If people can't handle it, they can play by themselves, which is a pretty lonely proposition.
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Thank you so much.
 
In virtually all games I've played outside of chess, luck plays a major factor. In Starcraft, it is when you go for the rush and the opponent goes for the economy, or vise versa.

We have to realize that luck is a major part of a single Pokemon game. However, in multiple games, it will become clear who is the winner in the long run. It is unlikely to lose by hax, but it is even more unlikely to lose by hax 5 times in a row.

Granted, part of pokemon is that you don't know your opponent's team till it is played. So we can change the format (one practice battle pre-game, and then first to 5 wins) and that can greatly reduce the number of hax wins in a tournament...
 
Dragontamer said:
In virtually all games I've played outside of chess, luck plays a major factor. In Starcraft, it is when you go for the rush and the opponent goes for the economy, or vise versa.

We have to realize that luck is a major part of a single Pokemon game. However, in multiple games, it will become clear who is the winner in the long run. It is unlikely to lose by hax, but it is even more unlikely to lose by hax 5 times in a row.

Granted, part of pokemon is that you don't know your opponent's team till it is played. So we can change the format (one practice battle pre-game, and then first to 5 wins) and that can greatly reduce the number of hax wins in a tournament...
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That wouldn't work, because in the one "pre-game" battle it would just be both players trying to hide their movesets as much as possible to gain an advantage for the first real battle. Kinda pointless.

A five game series, though, should definitely be implemented.

If you wanted to make it more complex you could even allow subtsitutions, like each player carries a 9 Pokemon team and they can substitute between each match or after the 2nd and 4th games. That way, some more thoughtful strategy and the ability to surprise the opponent comes into play after the first game.


As for hax... It happens, get over it. I get pissed off about it, but usually its the foe since I run a paralyze/flinch team. My only pet peeve is when people complain that Air Slash from Togekiss flinched them. Chances are, its going to flinch you, so when it doesn't that means you are the one getting the damn hax! Course its only a 35% chance to do it twice in a row...
 
Last night I was in a battle,at 4-4 and my Milotic got an ice beam freeze on my opponents Gyarados as it switched in. The guy said something in French and quit the game, and when I ran what he said through babelfish it was something along the lines of "*something* is screwing your mother the whore."

Just makes me laugh really that people can take this game that seriously!
 
Last night I had a guy get angry and start babbling about sleep clause, and then forfeit because I put his pokemon back to sleep after it woke up. I thought that was hilarious.

I guess he thought you were only supposed to be able to put something to sleep one single time per game!
 
say gg if u both had some hax, and bg if he haxed ,and gg if there was no hax
that sums it up pretty good in one line
 
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