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"GG" and hax; what am I supposed to do?
- Thread starter StarmanXL
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Epic! Wish it fit into the sig :(
Yeah, and most skilled players don't cry when they lose. xD
Saying "good game" is a way of ensuring Pokemon can be played in a respectful fashion, regardless of skill level or how badly you just beat the opponent/lost. If an opponent takes that the wrong way, then... That's their problem.
To the same regard, I find it's best to ignore people who complain. If I am facing someone, and I get stuck in a bad position due to hax (Togekiss ASing me to death due to remaining Pokemon being too slow), I conclude one of three things; my opponent was skilled enough to back me into said corner and allow hax to work in his or her favour, I was too stupid/wasn't paying attention enough to counter/realize what my opponent was doing, or both. And so, I believe that it is only fair for me to assume that the person I am facing will hold the same view.
Seriously, no one likes to hear complaining, regardless of your sap story. If cheating is not involved, you should suck it up and counter accordingly. That's Pokemon.
To the same regard, I find it's best to ignore people who complain. If I am facing someone, and I get stuck in a bad position due to hax (Togekiss ASing me to death due to remaining Pokemon being too slow), I conclude one of three things; my opponent was skilled enough to back me into said corner and allow hax to work in his or her favour, I was too stupid/wasn't paying attention enough to counter/realize what my opponent was doing, or both. And so, I believe that it is only fair for me to assume that the person I am facing will hold the same view.
Seriously, no one likes to hear complaining, regardless of your sap story. If cheating is not involved, you should suck it up and counter accordingly. That's Pokemon.
I was battling this guy called Jrrrrr (something like that) and he was pissed off cause Stone Edge missed my Swampert twice in a row, and if it hit he would've won cause "Hera would have killed the rest of my team". So he quit and said he wasn't outplayed but outhaxed. Turns out the last thing on my team (he didn't see it) was a ScarfCross (w/ Aerial Ace). His was a CBCross, so I would have easily killed it. He didn't bother saying gg, he just called me a nub who got lucky. Which was a bit disheartening :(
This is pretty much exactly what I was going to say. "Gg" is used in such broad circumstances and so thoughtlessly that it doesn't hold any meaning anymore.
Also, I really doubt that you saying "gg" is what's making them angry. They'd probably respond the exact same way if you said nothing at all.
you legend
I usually say GG at the end of every battle--except when I get badly owned (at least 3-0) and I didn't play well. If I did my best and got owned that badly, however, I'll acknowledge the opponent's skill. (hasn't happened to me yet, though)
(Wow, I just realized that I haven't been on Shoddy in a long time; amazing how much time school takes out of one's free time... :( )
(Wow, I just realized that I haven't been on Shoddy in a long time; amazing how much time school takes out of one's free time... :( )
I always say gg, it's like shaking someone's hand after a game of chess. Except chess doesn't have any luck, but that's besides the point. Maybe it's a bit like congratulating someone on their birthday even if you don't like the person.
In other news, anyone who bitches about luck after a game of Pokemon should just consider not playing it at all. The chances of luck being of vital importance in your match arguably has only increased over generations. You are playing a game of coinflips, freezes, misses, critical hits and whatnot.
In other other news, what I hate the most of all things recently is people acting surprised if they get lucky. "wow normally I never get luck o.O" The chances are equal for every player assuming the same moves, dipshit. Whatever your memory made you believe, Ice Beam does not have a 90% freeze rate on you.
In other news, anyone who bitches about luck after a game of Pokemon should just consider not playing it at all. The chances of luck being of vital importance in your match arguably has only increased over generations. You are playing a game of coinflips, freezes, misses, critical hits and whatnot.
In other other news, what I hate the most of all things recently is people acting surprised if they get lucky. "wow normally I never get luck o.O" The chances are equal for every player assuming the same moves, dipshit. Whatever your memory made you believe, Ice Beam does not have a 90% freeze rate on you.
I hate people whining about hax. Hax doesn't exist! It's simple mathematic! You have to calculate everything possible in this game, and by this I mean things like crits, misses, side effects kicking in. THEY CAN'T HAPPEN, THEY WILL HAPPEN! IN EVERY BATTLE!
You can't always say that's luck. It's part of the game.
HAX DOESN'T EXIST!
Clauses=Yes. Clauses make sense.
Hax=Always think that a miss etc. can happen and don't be frustradet about it! It makes the game better.
Topic: I say almost always gg, just because of the fun I had.
I say bg if somene broke the rules and stomps me with 6 Arceus.
You can't always say that's luck. It's part of the game.
HAX DOESN'T EXIST!
Clauses=Yes. Clauses make sense.
Hax=Always think that a miss etc. can happen and don't be frustradet about it! It makes the game better.
Topic: I say almost always gg, just because of the fun I had.
I say bg if somene broke the rules and stomps me with 6 Arceus.
How the hell did I just NOW notice this?
Anyway, it seems like people should be more lax about their criticisms of hax. It's a game. GET OVER IT! There's no reason to be so hasty when it doesn't go your way; it's bound to happen. Personally, my feelings toward hax are mild, at best. When it happens, sure, I might be pissed at the time, but afterwards, I could care less that it did happen. That's how things are with Pokemon...
Don't ever stop posting.
I'd probably try and come off as a bit more mature than this post does if I was going to try to complain about the immaturity of other players, myself...
Anyway I normally just say 'sorry' in situations where this is potentially a problem which is typically what I want to say in addition to a nice way to evade problems... winning by luck isn't much more fun than losing by it IMO. The other side never really appreciates the apology but it prevents things from escalating, which really shouldn't be necessary anyway but people hate to lose, especially when they lose to matters at least partially out of their control.
I mostly disagree with the gg being good form regardless of situation, it's a good thing to say in most situations but it's not always the best thing you can say. It's definitely nice to see it after people win decent games and when someone loses(regardless of whether or not luck was involved for the loser), though.
Synre said:
Synre said:
Following from these two statements, you would almost have to mean that people hate to win by luck, which is usually only the case if they are really sure they would've won without luck or had a really good game without luck involved. The former of which you can never be sure of and is a rather rude assumption in a lot of cases anyway, the latter of which hardly ever happens in Pokemon.
All of that ignoring the fact that I'm pretty sure the difference between winning or losing is...pretty fucking big. Especially when talking ladders and tournaments and all, we all know how bad NetBattle's recordwhoring was.
above post said:
No you don't.
Outside of occasional tournament battles I don't think too many good players enjoy winning by luck. If I'm going to lose and turn it around by luck if I am playing random fun match with random IRC user I don't really get any enjoyment out of it; that's still a loss as far as I'm concerned. I'm probably a little jaded in that department playing LordS so much since we tend to go by who should have won moreso than who actually won when we talk about our previous matches but I just don't see what fun there is in winning a game you don't deserve to win. I think most of the good players would agree with me that outside of situations like surviving in tournaments they would rather lose and play well than win and play poorly. If I want to win a Pokemon match by luck, I'll randbat someone.
I couldn't care less about people whoring ladders or NetBattle records or any other real rating system, while Shoddy's ladder system is a lot less exploitable than most of the previous systems we've had in this community I don't think anyone will be looking at the ladder results to figure out who the top few players are any time soon, and with several notable exceptions the aforementioned groups of elite players don't tend to actually be the same people who throw a lot of time at the ladder anyway. That's not to say that everyone with a good ladder rating(or to a lesser extent NB ladder record) is bad, but I think that this is similar to the situation of surviving in a tournament where winning becomes more important than actually playing a fun match. Outside of that sort of situation I have seen very few good players enjoy matches where there was a lot of luck one way or another for any reason other than sheer ridiculousness.
I couldn't care less about people whoring ladders or NetBattle records or any other real rating system, while Shoddy's ladder system is a lot less exploitable than most of the previous systems we've had in this community I don't think anyone will be looking at the ladder results to figure out who the top few players are any time soon, and with several notable exceptions the aforementioned groups of elite players don't tend to actually be the same people who throw a lot of time at the ladder anyway. That's not to say that everyone with a good ladder rating(or to a lesser extent NB ladder record) is bad, but I think that this is similar to the situation of surviving in a tournament where winning becomes more important than actually playing a fun match. Outside of that sort of situation I have seen very few good players enjoy matches where there was a lot of luck one way or another for any reason other than sheer ridiculousness.
The "sheer ridiculousness" is indeed a huge factor that compensates for "not deserving to win" as you call it - for the enjoyment at least. The problem is that the luckier player in a game of Pokemon does often deserve to win, because no matter how you look at it this game is based on luck either way.
If we're looking at a non-tournament/rated/ladder match, let's say Player A has the infamous evading Garchomp with Brightpowder or Sand Veil or both triggered, whatever floats your boat, while player B has a faster Weavile. Player B will win most of the time, but when Ice Punch misses that will be Player A who wins.
Of course, both players are in the knowledge that Player B "should" have won when it comes to strategy. The real outcome of the battle matters little since basically you could just reduce it to "9 out of 10 times Player B wins". However, if Ice Punch misses, that just gives a slightly bigger hilarity factor and doesn't really detract any awesomeness from any other point of the game, despite that the outcome is different.
Luck is usually the second most highlighted factor in war stories, with prediction and thoughts and everything being #1, though I think they're close.
Now you could argue that if there was more lopsided luck throughout the entire game between Player A and B that might not be a lot of fun for Player B. Which you can't really bring a lot against except "rematch". Or "Pokemon sucks I am a bad luck magnet Lesm cheats". Again, whatever floats your boat.
If we're looking at a non-tournament/rated/ladder match, let's say Player A has the infamous evading Garchomp with Brightpowder or Sand Veil or both triggered, whatever floats your boat, while player B has a faster Weavile. Player B will win most of the time, but when Ice Punch misses that will be Player A who wins.
Of course, both players are in the knowledge that Player B "should" have won when it comes to strategy. The real outcome of the battle matters little since basically you could just reduce it to "9 out of 10 times Player B wins". However, if Ice Punch misses, that just gives a slightly bigger hilarity factor and doesn't really detract any awesomeness from any other point of the game, despite that the outcome is different.
Luck is usually the second most highlighted factor in war stories, with prediction and thoughts and everything being #1, though I think they're close.
Now you could argue that if there was more lopsided luck throughout the entire game between Player A and B that might not be a lot of fun for Player B. Which you can't really bring a lot against except "rematch". Or "Pokemon sucks I am a bad luck magnet Lesm cheats". Again, whatever floats your boat.
Lesm DOES cheat, by my estimation.
I'm not going to argue that luck is a big part of the game(which I think is the point you're trying to make?), but regardless of how much it is ingrained into the game I still think it's unfortunate when the person who plays the better game doesn't win. I'm not sure what you're getting at with Luck being highlighted in war stories, though, but I would agree that many of the war stories in the last few months have highlighted luck... but I think that is a factor in why there's only one War Story from after July in the archives. As far as the Weavile/Garchomp situation you suggested, in many ways it does "detract awesomeness" I think, although I suppose it depends on the opponent. That type of win tends to be what creates the situations this topic was posted about as well as a lot of silly 'randy mcrandom beats (somewhat well known poster) featuring pokemon beats pokemon with low percentage effect activation' war stories.
Either way I think a lot of those luck heavy games are why Pokemon doesn't interest me too much anymore outside of the community itself, nearly every competitive game has luck as a factor on at least some level but it feels almost overwhelming at times with this one. :(
I'm not going to argue that luck is a big part of the game(which I think is the point you're trying to make?), but regardless of how much it is ingrained into the game I still think it's unfortunate when the person who plays the better game doesn't win. I'm not sure what you're getting at with Luck being highlighted in war stories, though, but I would agree that many of the war stories in the last few months have highlighted luck... but I think that is a factor in why there's only one War Story from after July in the archives. As far as the Weavile/Garchomp situation you suggested, in many ways it does "detract awesomeness" I think, although I suppose it depends on the opponent. That type of win tends to be what creates the situations this topic was posted about as well as a lot of silly 'randy mcrandom beats (somewhat well known poster) featuring pokemon beats pokemon with low percentage effect activation' war stories.
Either way I think a lot of those luck heavy games are why Pokemon doesn't interest me too much anymore outside of the community itself, nearly every competitive game has luck as a factor on at least some level but it feels almost overwhelming at times with this one. :(
Unless you're in the Battle Tower, am I right?:naughty:
I always say gg after battles here. And I LOVE the post with all the natures.