LC Bulbasaur

[Highways]

QC Checks: Hilomilo / AD Thunderboy / Drew (AM) / Corporal Levi
GP Checks: GatoDelFuego / lotiasite (AM) / CryoGyro
[OVERVIEW]

Bulbasaur is a potent sweeper in the LC metagame, as Z-Celebrate allows it to clean mid- or late-game and sweep unprepared teams with ease. Additionally, its Z-Celebrate-boosted bulk and access to Sleep Powder allow it to take some hits from strong Pokemon or immobilize them after setting up, since its good defensive typing gives it some key resistances, such as Fighting, Fairy, and Water. Unfortunately, Bulbasaur is frail and weak without the Z-Celebrate boosts, and it lacks setup opportunities against most of the Pokemon in the metagame since it is weak to common types such as Psychic and Flying. Bulbasaur also has a bad movepool and has to rely on Hidden Power Fire to do significant damage to Steel- and Poison-types, even with a Celebrate boost, which can only be obtained once. Bulbasaur is also outsped by common Choice Scarf users such as Doduo and Rufflet. Bulbasaur also faces competition with Pumpkaboo-S, as both can use Z-Moves to boost all of their stats, and Z-Trick-or-Treat is obviously more useful than Z-Celebrate.

[SET]
name: Z-Celebrate Sweeper
move 1: Celebrate
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Sleep Powder
item: Normalium Z
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Modest
evs: 52 Def / 160 SpA / 240 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Celebrate paired with Normalium Z gives Bulbasaur an invaluable boost in every stat, transforming it into a huge threat. Sludge Bomb is its main STAB move, OHKOing Doduo and 2HKOing Vullaby, metagame staples, after a boost. Giga Drain is also a powerful STAB move and gives Bulbasaur a reliable form of recovery against Water- and Ground-types, OHKOing offensive variants of Staryu and Mudbray after a boost. Hidden Power Fire gives Bulbasaur a method of 2HKOing Pawniard and Ferroseed, but Sleep Powder can be used instead, [ac] as it is useful against slower targets and gives Bulbasaur a way to set up reliably, but its low accuracy makes it a risky option. Synthesis can be used in the fourth slot as well, since it gives Bulbasaur longevity, but Giga Drain already provides recovery and Hidden Power Fire or Sleep Powder is usually better.

Set Details
========

Chlorophyll is the only available ability if Bulbasaur uses Celebrate, and Normalium Z is a must too. The Defense EVs on Bulbasaur allow it to take hits from strong physical attackers and be hard to revenge kill, as it survives one Ice Punch followed by a Mach Punch from Iron Fist Timburr after Stealth Rock damage. The rest of the EVs are invested in Special Attack and Speed, giving Bulbasaur more opportunities to sweep unprepared teams. Bulbasaur outspeeds the entire unboosted metagame after Z-Celebrate, but a Timid nature can be used instead of Modest to outspeed unboosted Nasty Plot Vullaby before using Z-Celebrate at the cost of making Bulbasaur much weaker; for example, a Modest nature ensures the 2HKO on Pumpkaboo-S after Stealth Rock.

Usage Tips
========

Bulbasaur is best used as a late-game sweeper or as a cleaner, so try to find setup opportunities against passive or slower Pokemon, such as Spritzee, Snubull, and Timburr, by immobilizing them with Sleep Powder if Bulbasaur uses it on its set. Avoid setting up when your opponent has Pokemon that will eventually stop Bulbasaur, such as Steel-types and revenge killers. When playing against Pokemon that can check Bulbasaur effectively after a boost, use Sleep Powder to shut them down, but remember that Bulbasaur should stay healthy before it sets up. This includes avoiding status such as paralysis. Lastly, remove phazers such as Mareanie before setting up, as Bulbasaur is completely useless without the boosts provided by Z-Celebrate.

Team Options
========

Bulbasaur pairs well with answers to Flying-types such as Pawniard, Onix, and Kabuto, since most of the Flying-types carry Choice Scarf and, as a result, must be removed to ensure Bulbasaur's sweep. Chinchou in particular helps Bulbasaur against Flying-types, Magnemite, and Fire-types, especially Ponyta. Other Water-types, such as Staryu and Mareanie, can help Bulbasaur face the aforementioned Fire-types. Trappers are really appreciated teammates; Diglett traps the Steel-, Poison-, and Fire-types that might stop Bulbasaur's sweep, such as Magnemite and Ponyta, and Alolan Grimer traps Abra and Gastly, which revenge kill Bulbasaur easily. Steel-type checks such as Mienfoo, Timburr, Ponyta, and Diglett are indispensable teammates as well, since Bulbasaur can't hit them effectively even with a boosted Hidden Power Fire. Solid answers to Poison-types, including Groundium Z Diglett, Mudbray, and Abra, are pretty good teammates too. Fire-types such as Ponyta and Torchic appreciate Bulbasaur's ability to take down Water- and Ground-types while they remove Steel-types and Foongus. Entry hazard setters such as Kabuto and Ferroseed can wear down Pokemon to ease Bulbasaur's sweep. Lastly, Bulbasaur strongly appreciates a slow VoltTurn from Pokemon such as Mienfoo or even Larvesta because it can switch-in safely and use Z-Celebrate against passive Pokemon.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Due to Bulbasaur's shallow movepool, Bulbasaur has very few other options to use effectively. Hidden Power Ground can be used instead of Hidden Power Fire to hit Poison-types harder while still hitting Pawniard, but some of the most important Poison-types such as Gastly and Foongus aren't significantly damaged by it, and it leaves Bulbasaur completely walled by Ferroseed. A defensive set with Eviolite may work, but it's outclassed by Foongus, which has a better movepool and Regenerator. A set with Choice Scarf can be used, but Bulbasaur is terribly weak without boosts and has very few coverage options.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Fire-types**: Fire-types such as Ponyta and Torchic are huge threats to Bulbasaur, since they are faster than it without the Z-Celebrate boost and can boost their Speed via Flame Charge and Speed Boost, respectively. However, Bulbasaur hits these Fire-types hard enough with Sludge Bomb to 2HKO, and it can put them to sleep with Sleep Powder.

**Flying-types**: Common Flying-types such as Vullaby and Doduo can threaten Bulbasaur with their strong STAB attacks, and they can use Choice Scarf to revenge kill Bulbasaur without forcing some Pokemon to be sacrificed to defeat it.

**Bulky Steel-types**: Ferroseed, Pawniard, and Magnemite can threaten Bulbasaur if it's not running Fire-type coverage, and some of them can take one hit or two from it, even if it's running Hidden Power Fire or Hidden Power Ground.

**Revenge Killers**: Revenge killers such as Focus Sash Abra, Choice Scarf Amaura, and Choice Scarf Doduo can force Bulbasaur out if they don't just OHKO it.

**Poison-types**: Poison-types such as Mareanie and Foongus can easily take any hit from Bulbasaur and remove its Z-Celebrate boosts by using Haze or Clear Smog.

 

[Fiend]

why would we use bulba over bellsprout on a sun team exactly? your set doesn't reflect any reason to and i'm inclined to think bulba should just have the z-celebrate set

 

[Highways]

why would we use bulba over bellsprout on a sun team exactly? your set doesn't reflect any reason to and i'm inclined to think bulba should just have the z-celebrate set

Edited the op and added sun sets in OO, LO Wallbreaker and Evio Growth, as discussed on discord.

 

[Hilomilo]

Overview
* I think you should edit the average bulk line. I think that was written under the assumption that Bulbasaur would be holding an Eviolite. It's kinda frail before activating the Normalium Z, though it is capable of taking some hits after using Z-Celebrate. That being said, say that when boosted its able to take hits and give some examples of hits it an take.
* I wouldn't really say that Grass / Poison is a good offensive typing. While not bad, it can't do anything to Steel or Poison types. I think you should give it more praise for its defensive qualities, given its resistances, rather than offensive.
* I wouldn't say that Bulbasaur is completely outclassed by Bellsprout under the sun. It is bulkier, so just say that it faces severe competition from Bellsprout in that role and why.
* You should mention that even when boosted, its outsped by common scarfers in Doduo and Rufflet.

Set
* I think HP fire is more valuable than Sleep Powder, so that Bulbasaur isn't completely walled by Poisons and can hit Steel super effectively. It should also be first considering the EV spread indicates HP Fire's use.
Moves
* I wouldn't include the 'be careful' part of your Celebrate line. That's better info for the usage tips section. Just say that it gives Bulba a one-time boost in all of its stats.
* The Sludge Bomb line bugs me a bit. Does it OHKO both these pokes or 2HKO both of them? Be a bit more specific by giving separate examples of what it OHKOs and 2HKOs.
* Add a little more onto your Giga Drain info. Examples of mons it hits would be nice, as well as whether your examples are 2HKOd or OHKOd by the move (when boosted).
* Reword Sleep Powder and HP Fire lines, I think HP fire is better most of the time.
* Why won't Bulbasaur have a reliable way to set up with Sleep Powder? It would make more sense to say Sleep Powder gives it its own set up opportunity by immobilizing foes.

Set Details
* Your EV line's pretty vague. What does Bulbasaur outspeed when unboosted with the Speed EVs?
* Your Timid line's also a bit confusing. Does it outspeed NP Vullaby when boosted or unboosted? You should also mention the drawback considering it isn't slashed with Modest.

Usage Tips
* Mention that Bulbasaur's best used late game as a sweeper or cleaner.
* I like your line regarding avoiding set up when the opponent has a pokemon that threatens Bulbasaur. However, the truth is that lots of things threaten it and this should be separated into different sections. Say in one line that Flying types should be removed before Bulbasaur sweeps due to often wielding Scarfs or being able to tank a hit and KO, while in another line mention that Steel and Poison types should usually both be removed before setting up, as HP Fire won't kill most Steel Types in one hit and Poison Types still wall boosted Bulbasaur unless they're Foongus. Fire types should also probably be removed before sweeping as well so they don't tank a hit and totally donk Bulbasaur with STAB.
* Phazers should be removed before Bulbasaur attempts a sweep, since it is useless without boosts and can only set up once.
* If Bulbasaur is using Sleep Powder, it can immobilize a foe then set up.

Team Options
* Add in the trappers line that Diglett also traps Poison-types.
* Answers to Flying types need to be mentioned so that Bulbasaur can sweep without worrying about Doduo or Vullaby revenge killing it. Examples include Magnemite, Onix and Pawniard. Don't mention Chinchou since it has its own line, rightfully so btw.
* Answers to Fire types are also a must. Examples include Slowpoke and Ponyta. I don't think Ponyta needs its own line, just a mention here instead.
* Answers to Steel types (just add onto the fighting type section, since more than just fighters can deal with steel types.)
* Answers to Poison types.
* Mudbray also doesn't need its own line, instead just include it in either steel- or poison-type checks.
* Fire types in general appreciate Bulbasaur's ability to deal with Water, Rock and Ground type Pokemon. Examples include Houndour, Torchic, and Magby.

Other Options
* Good stuff here, just remove the second line since its kind of redundant information.

Checks and Counters
* Add Poison types. They don't take much from HP Fire and resist both of Bulbasaur's stabs. This should replace the Alolan Grimer line, since all Poisons do what it does to Bulbasaur.
* Remove Strong Attackers. Staryu still loses to Bulbasaur, Gastly can be moved to Poison types and Pawn loses most of the time too.
* Change the Sash Abra line to revenge killers. Sashbra can be an example, since its probably the best one, but Choice Scarf Doduo and Rufflet are also good examples.
* Mareanie deserves a special mention. It tanks any hit Bulbasaur has in its arsenal and can use Haze to eliminate the stat boosts and recover to heal off any damage its taken.
* Instead of saying that Bulbasaur WILL use Sleep Powder, say that checks should be wary of Sleep Powder, since HP Fire is usually the preferred move.

Overall, this is great work for your first analysis! :) Great job, implement these changes then give yourself 1/3

 

[Highways]

Overview
* I think you should edit the average bulk line. I think that was written under the assumption that Bulbasaur would be holding an Eviolite. It's kinda frail before activating the Normalium Z, though it is capable of taking some hits after using Z-Celebrate. That being said, say that when boosted its able to take hits and give some examples of hits it an take.
* I wouldn't really say that Grass / Poison is a good offensive typing. While not bad, it can't do anything to Steel or Poison types. I think you should give it more praise for its defensive qualities, given its resistances, rather than offensive.
* I wouldn't say that Bulbasaur is completely outclassed by Bellsprout under the sun. It is bulkier, so just say that it faces severe competition from Bellsprout in that role and why.
* You should mention that even when boosted, its outsped by common scarfers in Doduo and Rufflet.

Set
* I think HP fire is more valuable than Sleep Powder, so that Bulbasaur isn't completely walled by Poisons and can hit Steel super effectively. It should also be first considering the EV spread indicates HP Fire's use.
Moves
* I wouldn't include the 'be careful' part of your Celebrate line. That's better info for the usage tips section. Just say that it gives Bulba a one-time boost in all of its stats.
* The Sludge Bomb line bugs me a bit. Does it OHKO both these pokes or 2HKO both of them? Be a bit more specific by giving separate examples of what it OHKOs and 2HKOs.
* Add a little more onto your Giga Drain info. Examples of mons it hits would be nice, as well as whether your examples are 2HKOd or OHKOd by the move (when boosted).
* Reword Sleep Powder and HP Fire lines, I think HP fire is better most of the time.
* Why won't Bulbasaur have a reliable way to set up with Sleep Powder? It would make more sense to say Sleep Powder gives it its own set up opportunity by immobilizing foes.

Set Details
* Your EV line's pretty vague. What does Bulbasaur outspeed when unboosted with the Speed EVs?
* Your Timid line's also a bit confusing. Does it outspeed NP Vullaby when boosted or unboosted? You should also mention the drawback considering it isn't slashed with Modest.

Usage Tips
* Mention that Bulbasaur's best used late game as a sweeper or cleaner.
* I like your line regarding avoiding set up when the opponent has a pokemon that threatens Bulbasaur. However, the truth is that lots of things threaten it and this should be separated into different sections. Say in one line that Flying types should be removed before Bulbasaur sweeps due to often wielding Scarfs or being able to tank a hit and KO, while in another line mention that Steel and Poison types should usually both be removed before setting up, as HP Fire won't kill most Steel Types in one hit and Poison Types still wall boosted Bulbasaur unless they're Foongus. Fire types should also probably be removed before sweeping as well so they don't tank a hit and totally donk Bulbasaur with STAB.
* Phazers should be removed before Bulbasaur attempts a sweep, since it is useless without boosts and can only set up once.
* If Bulbasaur is using Sleep Powder, it can immobilize a foe then set up.

Team Options
* Add in the trappers line that Diglett also traps Poison-types.
* Answers to Flying types need to be mentioned so that Bulbasaur can sweep without worrying about Doduo or Vullaby revenge killing it. Examples include Magnemite, Onix and Pawniard. Don't mention Chinchou since it has its own line, rightfully so btw.
* Answers to Fire types are also a must. Examples include Slowpoke and Ponyta. I don't think Ponyta needs its own line, just a mention here instead.
* Answers to Steel types (just add onto the fighting type section, since more than just fighters can deal with steel types.)
* Answers to Poison types.
* Mudbray also doesn't need its own line, instead just include it in either steel- or poison-type checks.
* Fire types in general appreciate Bulbasaur's ability to deal with Water, Rock and Ground type Pokemon. Examples include Houndour, Torchic, and Magby.

Other Options
* Good stuff here, just remove the second line since its kind of redundant information.

Checks and Counters
* Add Poison types. They don't take much from HP Fire and resist both of Bulbasaur's stabs. This should replace the Alolan Grimer line, since all Poisons do what it does to Bulbasaur.
* Remove Strong Attackers. Staryu still loses to Bulbasaur, Gastly can be moved to Poison types and Pawn loses most of the time too.
* Change the Sash Abra line to revenge killers. Sashbra can be an example, since its probably the best one, but Choice Scarf Doduo and Rufflet are also good examples.
* Mareanie deserves a special mention. It tanks any hit Bulbasaur has in its arsenal and can use Haze to eliminate the stat boosts and recover to heal off any damage its taken.
* Instead of saying that Bulbasaur WILL use Sleep Powder, say that checks should be wary of Sleep Powder, since HP Fire is usually the preferred move.

Overall, this is great work for your first analysis! :) Great job, implement these changes then give yourself 1/3

Implemented, ready for QC 2/3!

 

[Xayah]

[Overview]

• Z-Celebrate HAS to be the first point, as it is Bulbasaur's main niche
• Remove the Weather Ball point. Since you usually won't be using Bulbasaur in the sun, it would be useless anyway. Similarly, remove the point that it faces competition from Bellsprout, it's Z-Celebrate set very much doesn't
• Change the point that it resists Electric and Water, and in stead just say 'Its good defensive typing gives it certain key resistances, such as Fighting, Fairy, and Water'.
• Don't say 'is completely useless without boosts', it's not. In stead mention it is somewhat weak and frail without the Z-Celebrate boosts
• Mention Bulbasaur's shallow movepool, leaving it unable to significantly damage Steel- and Poison-types outside of the weak Hidden Power

[SET]
name: Z-Celebrate Sweeper

good

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

• Make clear that Celebrate is powered up by Normalium Z to give Bulba those boosts
• Defensive Mudbray is not OHKOed by Giga Drain (+1 240+ SpA Bulbasaur Giga Drain vs. 116 HP / 236+ SpD Eviolite Mudbray: 18-24 (72 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO), and bulky Staryu only after a boost (240+ SpA Bulbasaur Giga Drain vs. 116 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Staryu: 14-20 (66.6 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO). So make clear that you are talking about their offensive variants here
• Mention that both Pawniard and Ferroseed are 2HKOed by HP Fire
• Mention that Sleep Powder's low accuracy can make it unreliable at times

Set Details
========

• Change the first point to 'Chlorophyll is the only available ability when Bulbasaur has Celebrate, so it must be used'. Just a bit clearer wording
• Mention that the EV spread allows it to outspeed the entire unboosted metagame after a boost, as this is the main reason you want to hit 14 speed

Usage Tips
========

• Your first line doesn't make sense. 'much better' implies that you're comparing it with something, which you aren't. In stead, use 'best'
• Mention examples of the types of Pokemon you mention should be removed (Doduo/Vullaby for Flying, Pawniard/Ferroseed for Steel, Foongus/Alolan Grimer for Poison, Ponyta/Larvesta for Fire)

Team Options
========

• Mention that Fire-types also significantly threaten Foongus, which can put a stop to Bulbasaur's sweep

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

• I feel like this is very short, but I don't know what else to add (other than HP Ground below), so when writing up, make sure to start with saying that Bulbasaur has very limited options due to its shallow movepool
• Hidden Power Ground is an option to hit Poison-types like Alolan Grimer in addition to Steel-types, but it is usually not preferred, as many Poison-types have a secondary typing or ability that makes them not weak to Ground, such as Foongus' Grass-type or Gastly's Levitate, and are usually hit hard enough by HP Fire. In addition, HP Ground leaves Bulbasaur hard walled by Ferroseed.

Checks and Counters
===================

• There should be a blank line between the different sections
• Mareanie can be moved into the Poison-type section. Do give it a special mention there though. Also mention Gastly there as it can outspeed and usually OHKO Bulbasaur before a boost

QC 2/3, write me up Scotty

 

[Highways]

[Overview]

• Z-Celebrate HAS to be the first point, as it is Bulbasaur's main niche
• Remove the Weather Ball point. Since you usually won't be using Bulbasaur in the sun, it would be useless anyway. Similarly, remove the point that it faces competition from Bellsprout, it's Z-Celebrate set very much doesn't
• Change the point that it resists Electric and Water, and in stead just say 'Its good defensive typing gives it certain key resistances, such as Fighting, Fairy, and Water'.
• Don't say 'is completely useless without boosts', it's not. In stead mention it is somewhat weak and frail without the Z-Celebrate boosts
• Mention Bulbasaur's shallow movepool, leaving it unable to significantly damage Steel- and Poison-types outside of the weak Hidden Power

[SET]
name: Z-Celebrate Sweeper

good

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

• Make clear that Celebrate is powered up by Normalium Z to give Bulba those boosts
• Defensive Mudbray is not OHKOed by Giga Drain (+1 240+ SpA Bulbasaur Giga Drain vs. 116 HP / 236+ SpD Eviolite Mudbray: 18-24 (72 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO), and bulky Staryu only after a boost (240+ SpA Bulbasaur Giga Drain vs. 116 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Staryu: 14-20 (66.6 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO). So make clear that you are talking about their offensive variants here
• Mention that both Pawniard and Ferroseed are 2HKOed by HP Fire
• Mention that Sleep Powder's low accuracy can make it unreliable at times

Set Details
========

• Change the first point to 'Chlorophyll is the only available ability when Bulbasaur has Celebrate, so it must be used'. Just a bit clearer wording
• Mention that the EV spread allows it to outspeed the entire unboosted metagame after a boost, as this is the main reason you want to hit 14 speed

Usage Tips
========

• Your first line doesn't make sense. 'much better' implies that you're comparing it with something, which you aren't. In stead, use 'best'
• Mention examples of the types of Pokemon you mention should be removed (Doduo/Vullaby for Flying, Pawniard/Ferroseed for Steel, Foongus/Alolan Grimer for Poison, Ponyta/Larvesta for Fire)

Team Options
========

• Mention that Fire-types also significantly threaten Foongus, which can put a stop to Bulbasaur's sweep

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

• I feel like this is very short, but I don't know what else to add (other than HP Ground below), so when writing up, make sure to start with saying that Bulbasaur has very limited options due to its shallow movepool
• Hidden Power Ground is an option to hit Poison-types like Alolan Grimer in addition to Steel-types, but it is usually not preferred, as many Poison-types have a secondary typing or ability that makes them not weak to Ground, such as Foongus' Grass-type or Gastly's Levitate, and are usually hit hard enough by HP Fire. In addition, HP Ground leaves Bulbasaur hard walled by Ferroseed.

Checks and Counters
===================

• There should be a blank line between the different sections
• Mareanie can be moved into the Poison-type section. Do give it a special mention there though. Also mention Gastly there as it can outspeed and usually OHKO Bulbasaur before a boost

QC 2/3, write me up Scotty
View attachment 77242

Implemented and written, ready for QC 3/3, thanks!
Also, do you think that mentioning Knock Off in moves could be nice?

 

[Xayah]

Implemented and written, ready for QC 3/3, thanks!
Also, do you think that mentioning Knock Off in moves could be nice?

No. I was thinking about it for Other Options, but it doesn't match Bulbasaur's role as a special sweeper, as it comes off of its weaker Attack and doesn't provide good coverage

 

[sparktrain]

I know this is at QC 2/3 already, but I think Growth Bulbasaur is good/relevant enough to warrant its own set. Checked with Levi on PS and he seems to be in agreement with this. But yeah, Bulbasaur pairs pretty nicely with Bellsprout on sun teams. They have mostly the same checks, so you can just overcome stuff with brute force, and Bellsprout can sleep one of their shared checks so Bulbasaur can set up Growth and sweep more easily. Not running Normalium Z on Bulbasaur also means Bellsprout is free to run Poisonium Z.

 

[Hilomilo]

I know this is at QC 2/3 already, but I think Growth Bulbasaur is good/relevant enough to warrant its own set. Checked with Levi on PS and he seems to be in agreement with this. But yeah, Bulbasaur pairs pretty nicely with Bellsprout on sun teams. They have mostly the same checks, so you can just overcome stuff with brute force, and Bellsprout can sleep one of their shared checks so Bulbasaur can set up Growth and sweep more easily. Not running Normalium Z on Bulbasaur also means Bellsprout is free to run Poisonium Z.

This isn't needed anymore, since Vulpix is banned and sun is irrelevant now. Just said this in case!

 

[MeepBard]

hi! just wanted to say that Overgrow should be the ability on the main set since Vulpix has gotten banned. good luck!

 

[Xayah]

hi! just wanted to say that Overgrow should be the ability on the main set since Vulpix has gotten banned. good luck!

This is not true, since Celebrate is only available in combination with Chlorophyll (it's only available from an event, and the event Bulbasaur had Chlorophyll)

 

[MeepBard]

This is not true, since Celebrate is only available in combination with Chlorophyll (it's only available from an event, and the event Bulbasaur had Chlorophyll)

My mistake, thank you for the correction.

 

[Drew]

amcheck
Overview
Note how Bulbasaur also has access to Sleep Powder to help it set up easier
don't say "deal damage" rather say something along the lines of "deal significant damage" or "deal much damage"
mention Z-Celebrate only works once
mention it faces competition (not outclassed) with Pumpkaboo-Small

Set
good

Moves
Note Giga Drain is powerful Grass-type STAB
In the last sentence say "Hidden Power Fire or Sleep Powder"

Set Details
Mention that if your opponent happens to bring sun Chlorophyll can be utilized but it's very very rare
Mention it outspeeds Shellder and Corphish before a boost

Usage Tips
Timburr is a pretty bad example as a passive Pokemon, as it can Bulk Up and many now run Ice Punch which deals tons of damage to Bulbasaur. Snubull also isn't a great example as it now often runs Fire Punch. I recommend saying Spritzee, Ferroseed, and Hippopotas, but mention Ferro can Thunder Wave it and Hippo can Roar it.
"Doing a set up" -> "Setting up"
Why say only flying types when other Choice Scarf users like Chinchou or Amaura also are super-effective. Change this to remove faster Pokemon. Better yet, you could also just condense all the lines on removing checks and counter to one general statement.
add in a line on avoiding status
Add that if going against big threats to Bulbasaur after already setting up, using Sleep Powder can potentially give you extra turns to beat them.
Say that Bulbasaur should be kept out of harms way and Bulba should avoid taking damage until set up


Team Options
Add hazard setters
Add U-turn or Volt Switch users can help get Bulbasaur safely in.

Other Options
great :)

Checks and Counters
Say that after Bulba puts Fire-types to sleep almost all of them are hit quite hard by Sludge Bomb
Maybe say "they commonly carry Choice Scarf" instead of "Sometimes they have Choice Scarf"
Give more examples for revenge killers
Say Mareanie and Foongus can use Haze and Clear Smog respectively
before doing the set up-> before setting up

 

[Highways]

amcheck
Overview
Note how Bulbasaur also has access to Sleep Powder to help it set up easier
don't say "deal damage" rather say something along the lines of "deal significant damage" or "deal much damage"
mention Z-Celebrate only works once
mention it faces competition (not outclassed) with Pumpkaboo-Small

Set
good

Moves
Note Giga Drain is powerful Grass-type STAB
In the last sentence say "Hidden Power Fire or Sleep Powder"

Set Details
Mention that if your opponent happens to bring sun Chlorophyll can be utilized but it's very very rare
Mention it outspeeds Shellder and Corphish before a boost

Usage Tips
Timburr is a pretty bad example as a passive Pokemon, as it can Bulk Up and many now run Ice Punch which deals tons of damage to Bulbasaur. Snubull also isn't a great example as it now often runs Fire Punch. I recommend saying Spritzee, Ferroseed, and Hippopotas, but mention Ferro can Thunder Wave it and Hippo can Roar it.
"Doing a set up" -> "Setting up"
Why say only flying types when other Choice Scarf users like Chinchou or Amaura also are super-effective. Change this to remove faster Pokemon. Better yet, you could also just condense all the lines on removing checks and counter to one general statement.
add in a line on avoiding status
Add that if going against big threats to Bulbasaur after already setting up, using Sleep Powder can potentially give you extra turns to beat them.
Say that Bulbasaur should be kept out of harms way and Bulba should avoid taking damage until set up


Team Options
Add hazard setters
Add U-turn or Volt Switch users can help get Bulbasaur safely in.

Other Options
great :)

Checks and Counters
Say that after Bulba puts Fire-types to sleep almost all of them are hit quite hard by Sludge Bomb
Maybe say "they commonly carry Choice Scarf" instead of "Sometimes they have Choice Scarf"
Give more examples for revenge killers
Say Mareanie and Foongus can use Haze and Clear Smog respectively
before doing the set up-> before setting up

I've implemented everything but the passive pokemon + timburr and snubull thingy because I said 'passive or slower Pokemon'. I also have a pastebin without the changes, but I don't think it'll be needed :]

 

[Corporal Levi]

AD Thunderboy and I looked over Drew's check, good stuff.

"these Pokemon can be found on the Checks and Counters section."
"as said above."
You don't need phrases like these since the layout of an analysis is already fairly intuitive, so it's just extra fluff that doesn't really help the reader.

Change the EV spread to 52 Def/160 SpA/240 Spe to hit 12 Def. This allows Bulbasaur more setup opportunities and makes it more difficult to revenge-kill, notably allowing it to survive Iron Fist Timburr's Ice Punch into Mach Punch after Stealth Rock. Reflect this change in Set Details.

3/3 nice work

 

[Highways]

AD Thunderboy and I looked over Drew's check, good stuff.

"these Pokemon can be found on the Checks and Counters section."
"as said above."
You don't need phrases like these since the layout of an analysis is already fairly intuitive, so it's just extra fluff that doesn't really help the reader.

Change the EV spread to 52 Def/160 SpA/240 Spe to hit 12 Def. This allows Bulbasaur more setup opportunities and makes it more difficult to revenge-kill, notably allowing it to survive Iron Fist Timburr's Ice Punch into Mach Punch after Stealth Rock. Reflect this change in Set Details.

3/3 nice work

Implemented, thanks for the check. This is ready for its first GP check!

 

[GatoDelFuego]

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While being cute and the first Pokemon in the Pokedex, Bulbasaur is a potent sweeper in the LC metagame, as Z-Celebrate allows it to be a potent cleaner during the mid- and late-game. Additionally, its average bulk after a Celebrate boost and access to Sleep Powder allows it to take some hits from strong Pokemon or immobilize them after a setup setting up, since its good defensive typing gives it some key resistances, such as Fighting, Fairy, and Water. Unfortunately, Bulbasaur is frail and weak without the Z-Celebrate boosts, and it lacks setup opportunities against most of the Pokemon in the tier metagame since it is weak to common types, such as Psychic and Flying. And it's not over yet; (SC) Bulbasaur has a bad movepool and has to rely in Hidden Power Fire to do significant damage against Steel- and Poison-types, and even with a Celebrate boost, which can only be used once. (period) Bulbasaur is also , by the way, it is outsped by common Choice Scarf users, such as Doduo and Rufflet. Bulbasaur also faces competition with Pumpkaboo-S as both can use Z-Moves to boost all of their stats, and Z-Trick-or-Treat is obviously better than Z-Celebrate. Then why should I use Bulba at all? You've got 5 lines of downsides but not a lot saying what makes bulba worthwhile

[SET]
name: Z-Celebrate Sweeper
move 1: Celebrate
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Sleep Powder
item: Normalium Z
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Modest
evs: 52 Def / 160 / 240 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Celebrate, when paired with Normalium Z, gives Bulbasaur the invaluable boosts in all stats, transforming it into a huge threat. Sludge Bomb is its main STAB move, OHKOing Doduo and 2HKOing Vullaby, common metagame staples, after a boost. Giga Drain, while also being a powerful STAB move, gives Bulbasaur a reliable form of recovery against Water- and Ground-types, OHKOing the offensive variants of Staryu and Mudbray after a boost. Hidden Power Fire gives Bulbasaur a form of 2HKOing Pawniard and Ferroseed, but Sleep Powder can be used instead of Hidden Power Fire as it is useful against slower targets and gives Bulbasaur a form way to set up reliably, but its low accuracy makes it a risky option. Synthesis can be used in the 4th fourth slot as well, (AC) since it gives Bulbasaur longevity, but Giga Drain provides it recovery and Hidden Power Fire or Sleep Powder are usually better.

Set Details
========

Chlorophyll is the only available ability if Bulbasaur uses Celebrate, so it must be used, and Normalium Z gives Celebrate the invaluable boosts, so it's is a must too. The Defense EVs on Bulbasaur's EV spread allows it to take hits from strong attackers and be hard to revenge kill, as it survives one Ice Punch followed by a Mach Punch from Iron Fist Timburr after Stealth Rock. The rest of the EVs are invested in Special Attack and Speed, giving Bulbasaur more opportunities to sweep unprepared teams. Additionally, it Bulbasaur outspeeds the entire unboosted metagame after Z-Celebrate boosts, but a Timid nature can be used instead to outspeed unboosted Nasty Plot Vullaby before using Z-Celebrate, but it makes Bulbasaur much weaker. What KOs are missed?

Usage Tips
========

Bulbasaur is best when used as a late-game sweeper or as a cleaner, so try to find setup opportunities against passive or slower Pokemon, such as Spritzee, Snubull, or Timburr with Sleep Powder if Bulbasaur uses it on its set. Avoid setting up when your opponent has a Pokemon that will eventually stop Bulbasaur, such as Steel-types and revenge killers. When playing against Pokemon that can check Bulbasaur effectively after a boost, use Sleep Powder to shut them down, but remember that Bulbasaur should stay healthy before it sets up. (period) This includes status such as paralysis, which Bulbasaur should strongly avoid, and HP. Lastly, remove phazers such as Mareanie before setting up, as Bulbasaur is completely useless without the boosts provided by Z-Celebrate.

Team Options
========

Bulbasaur pairs well with answers to Flying-types such as Pawniard, Onix, (AC) and Kabuto, (AC) since most of the Flying-types carry Choice Scarf and as a result they must be removed to ease Bulbasaur's sweep. Chinchou, in particular, helps Bulbasaur against Flying-types, Ponyta, Magnemite, and Fire-types. Speaking of Water-types, some of them, such as Staryu and Mareanie, can help Bulbasaur to face the aforementioned Fire-types. Trappers are really appreciated teammates too; Diglett traps Steel-, Poison-, (AC) and Fire-types that may might stop Bulbasaur's sweep, such as Magnemite and Ponyta, and Grimer-A traps Abra and Gastly, that which revenge kill Bulbasaur easily. Steel-type checks are indispensable teammates as well, since Bulbasaur can't hit them effectively even with a boosted Hidden Power Fire; (SC) examples include Mienfoo, Timburr, Ponyta, (AC) and Diglett. Solid answers to Poison-types are pretty good teammates too, such as Groundium Z Diglett, Mudbray and Abra. Lastly, Fire-types such as Ponyta and Torchic appreciate Bulbasaur's ability to take down Water- and Ground-types while they remove Steel-types and the unavoidable Foongus. Entry hazard setters such as Kabuto and Ferroseed can wear down Pokemon to ease Bulbasaur's sweep. Lastly, Bulbasaur strongly appreciates a slow VoltTurn, (RC) from Pokemon such as Mienfoo or even Larvesta.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Due to Bulbasaur's shallow movepool, Bulbasaur has very few options to use effectively. Hidden Power Ground can be used instead Hidden Power Fire to hit Poison-types harder while still hitting Pawniard, but some of the most important Poison-types such as Gastly and Foongus aren't significantly damaged by it, and it leaves Bulbasaur completely walled by Ferroseed. A defensive set with Eviolite may work as well, but it's outclassed by Foongus, that which has a better movepool and Regenerator. Lastly, a set with Choice Scarf can be used, but Bulbasaur is terribly weak without boosts and it has very few coverage options, as said above.

Checks and Counters
===================
**Fire-types**: Fire-types such as Ponyta and Torchic are huge threats to Bulbasaur, since they are faster than it without the Z-Celebrate boosts and can boost their Speed via Flame Charge and Speed Boost, respectively. However, Bulbasaur hits these Fire-types hard enough with Sludge Bomb, and it can put them to sleep with Sleep Powder.

**Flying-types**: Common Flying-types, such as Vullaby and Doduo, can threaten Bulbasaur with their strong STAB types, and they can use Choice Scarf to revenge kill Bulbasaur without forcing their trainer to sacrifice some Pokemon to defeat Bulbasaur.

**Bulky Steel-types**: Ferroseed, Pawniard, and Magnemite can threaten Bulbasaur if it's not running Fire coverage, and some of them can take one hit or two from it, even if it's running Hidden Power Fire or Ground.

**Revenge Killers**: Revenge killers such as Focus Sash Abra, Choice Scarf Amaura, and Choice Scarf Doduo can force Bulbasaur out of the battle field, if not just OHKOing they don't just OHKO it.

**Poison-types**: Poison-types such as Mareanie and Foonguss can easily take any hit from Bulbasaur and can phaze remove its Z-Celebrate boosts by using Haze and Clear Smog, respectively.

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[Highways]

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[OVERVIEW]

While being cute and the first Pokemon in the Pokedex, Bulbasaur is a potent sweeper in the LC metagame, as Z-Celebrate allows it to be a potent cleaner during the mid- and late-game. Additionally, its average bulk after a Celebrate boost and access to Sleep Powder allows it to take some hits from strong Pokemon or immobilize them after a setup setting up, since its good defensive typing gives it some key resistances, such as Fighting, Fairy, and Water. Unfortunately, Bulbasaur is frail and weak without the Z-Celebrate boosts, and it lacks setup opportunities against most of the Pokemon in the tier metagame since it is weak to common types, such as Psychic and Flying. And it's not over yet; (SC) Bulbasaur has a bad movepool and has to rely in Hidden Power Fire to do significant damage against Steel- and Poison-types, and even with a Celebrate boost, which can only be used once. (period) Bulbasaur is also , by the way, it is outsped by common Choice Scarf users, such as Doduo and Rufflet. Bulbasaur also faces competition with Pumpkaboo-S as both can use Z-Moves to boost all of their stats, and Z-Trick-or-Treat is obviously better than Z-Celebrate. Then why should I use Bulba at all? You've got 5 lines of downsides but not a lot saying what makes bulba worthwhile

[SET]
name: Z-Celebrate Sweeper
move 1: Celebrate
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Sleep Powder
item: Normalium Z
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Modest
evs: 52 Def / 160 / 240 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Celebrate, when paired with Normalium Z, gives Bulbasaur the invaluable boosts in all stats, transforming it into a huge threat. Sludge Bomb is its main STAB move, OHKOing Doduo and 2HKOing Vullaby, common metagame staples, after a boost. Giga Drain, while also being a powerful STAB move, gives Bulbasaur a reliable form of recovery against Water- and Ground-types, OHKOing the offensive variants of Staryu and Mudbray after a boost. Hidden Power Fire gives Bulbasaur a form of 2HKOing Pawniard and Ferroseed, but Sleep Powder can be used instead of Hidden Power Fire as it is useful against slower targets and gives Bulbasaur a form way to set up reliably, but its low accuracy makes it a risky option. Synthesis can be used in the 4th fourth slot as well, (AC) since it gives Bulbasaur longevity, but Giga Drain provides it recovery and Hidden Power Fire or Sleep Powder are usually better.

Set Details
========

Chlorophyll is the only available ability if Bulbasaur uses Celebrate, so it must be used, and Normalium Z gives Celebrate the invaluable boosts, so it's is a must too. The Defense EVs on Bulbasaur's EV spread allows it to take hits from strong attackers and be hard to revenge kill, as it survives one Ice Punch followed by a Mach Punch from Iron Fist Timburr after Stealth Rock. The rest of the EVs are invested in Special Attack and Speed, giving Bulbasaur more opportunities to sweep unprepared teams. Additionally, it Bulbasaur outspeeds the entire unboosted metagame after Z-Celebrate boosts, but a Timid nature can be used instead to outspeed unboosted Nasty Plot Vullaby before using Z-Celebrate, but it makes Bulbasaur much weaker. What KOs are missed?

Usage Tips
========

Bulbasaur is best when used as a late-game sweeper or as a cleaner, so try to find setup opportunities against passive or slower Pokemon, such as Spritzee, Snubull, or Timburr with Sleep Powder if Bulbasaur uses it on its set. Avoid setting up when your opponent has a Pokemon that will eventually stop Bulbasaur, such as Steel-types and revenge killers. When playing against Pokemon that can check Bulbasaur effectively after a boost, use Sleep Powder to shut them down, but remember that Bulbasaur should stay healthy before it sets up. (period) This includes status such as paralysis, which Bulbasaur should strongly avoid, and HP. Lastly, remove phazers such as Mareanie before setting up, as Bulbasaur is completely useless without the boosts provided by Z-Celebrate.

Team Options
========

Bulbasaur pairs well with answers to Flying-types such as Pawniard, Onix, (AC) and Kabuto, (AC) since most of the Flying-types carry Choice Scarf and as a result they must be removed to ease Bulbasaur's sweep. Chinchou, in particular, helps Bulbasaur against Flying-types, Ponyta, Magnemite, and Fire-types. Speaking of Water-types, some of them, such as Staryu and Mareanie, can help Bulbasaur to face the aforementioned Fire-types. Trappers are really appreciated teammates too; Diglett traps Steel-, Poison-, (AC) and Fire-types that may might stop Bulbasaur's sweep, such as Magnemite and Ponyta, and Grimer-A traps Abra and Gastly, that which revenge kill Bulbasaur easily. Steel-type checks are indispensable teammates as well, since Bulbasaur can't hit them effectively even with a boosted Hidden Power Fire; (SC) examples include Mienfoo, Timburr, Ponyta, (AC) and Diglett. Solid answers to Poison-types are pretty good teammates too, such as Groundium Z Diglett, Mudbray and Abra. Lastly, Fire-types such as Ponyta and Torchic appreciate Bulbasaur's ability to take down Water- and Ground-types while they remove Steel-types and the unavoidable Foongus. Entry hazard setters such as Kabuto and Ferroseed can wear down Pokemon to ease Bulbasaur's sweep. Lastly, Bulbasaur strongly appreciates a slow VoltTurn, (RC) from Pokemon such as Mienfoo or even Larvesta.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Due to Bulbasaur's shallow movepool, Bulbasaur has very few options to use effectively. Hidden Power Ground can be used instead Hidden Power Fire to hit Poison-types harder while still hitting Pawniard, but some of the most important Poison-types such as Gastly and Foongus aren't significantly damaged by it, and it leaves Bulbasaur completely walled by Ferroseed. A defensive set with Eviolite may work as well, but it's outclassed by Foongus, that which has a better movepool and Regenerator. Lastly, a set with Choice Scarf can be used, but Bulbasaur is terribly weak without boosts and it has very few coverage options, as said above.

Checks and Counters
===================
**Fire-types**: Fire-types such as Ponyta and Torchic are huge threats to Bulbasaur, since they are faster than it without the Z-Celebrate boosts and can boost their Speed via Flame Charge and Speed Boost, respectively. However, Bulbasaur hits these Fire-types hard enough with Sludge Bomb, and it can put them to sleep with Sleep Powder.

**Flying-types**: Common Flying-types, such as Vullaby and Doduo, can threaten Bulbasaur with their strong STAB types, and they can use Choice Scarf to revenge kill Bulbasaur without forcing their trainer to sacrifice some Pokemon to defeat Bulbasaur.

**Bulky Steel-types**: Ferroseed, Pawniard, and Magnemite can threaten Bulbasaur if it's not running Fire coverage, and some of them can take one hit or two from it, even if it's running Hidden Power Fire or Ground.

**Revenge Killers**: Revenge killers such as Focus Sash Abra, Choice Scarf Amaura, and Choice Scarf Doduo can force Bulbasaur out of the battle field, if not just OHKOing they don't just OHKO it.

**Poison-types**: Poison-types such as Mareanie and Foonguss can easily take any hit from Bulbasaur and can phaze remove its Z-Celebrate boosts by using Haze and Clear Smog, respectively.

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Implemented, this is ready for its last check! I've also implemented what you said I should add.

 

[lotiasite]

hi, amcheck, implement what you like
add remove comments

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[OVERVIEW]

While being cute and the first Pokemon in the Pokedex, (consider removing this, fluff :() Bulbasaur is a potent sweeper in the LC metagame, as Z-Celebrate allows it to be a potent an effective (repetition) cleaner mid- and late-game and sweep unprepared teams with ease. Additionally, its average bulk after a Z-Celebrate boost and access to Sleep Powder allows it to take some hits from strong Pokemon or immobilize them after setting up, since its good defensive typing gives it some key resistances, such as Fighting, Fairy, and Water. Unfortunately, Bulbasaur is frail and weak without the Z-Celebrate boosts, and it lacks setup opportunities against most of the Pokemon in the metagame, [ac] since it is weak to common types, such as Psychic and Flying. And it's not over yet; Bulbasaur also has a bad movepool and has to rely in Hidden Power Fire to do significant damage against to Steel- and Poison-types, and even with a Celebrate boost, which can only be used once. Bulbasaur is also outsped by common Choice Scarf users, such as Doduo and Rufflet. Bulbasaur also faces competition with Pumpkaboo-S, [ac] as both can use Z-Moves to boost all of their stats, and Z-Trick-or-Treat is obviously better than Z-Celebrate.

[SET]
name: Z-Celebrate Sweeper
move 1: Celebrate
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Sleep Powder
item: Normalium Z
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Modest
evs: 52 Def / 160 SpA / 240 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Celebrate, when paired with Normalium Z, gives Bulbasaur invaluable boosts in all stats, transforming it into a huge threat. Sludge Bomb is its main STAB move, OHKOing Doduo and 2HKOing Vullaby, common metagame staples, after a boost. Giga Drain, while also being a powerful STAB move, gives Bulbasaur a reliable form of recovery against Water- and Ground-types, OHKOing the offensive variants of Staryu and Mudbray after a boost. Hidden Power Fire gives Bulbasaur a form of 2HKOing Pawniard and Ferroseed, but Sleep Powder can be used instead of Hidden Power Fire, [ac] as it is useful against slower targets and gives Bulbasaur a way to set up reliably, but its low accuracy makes it a risky option. Synthesis can be used in the fourth slot as well, since it gives Bulbasaur longevity, but Giga Drain already provides recovery and Hidden Power Fire or Sleep Powder are usually better.

Set Details
========

Chlorophyll is the only available ability if Bulbasaur uses Celebrate, so it must be used, and Normalium Z is a must too. The Defense EVs on Bulbasaur allow it to take hits from strong physical attackers and be hard to revenge kill, as it survives one Ice Punch followed by a Mach Punch from Iron Fist Timburr after Stealth Rock. The rest of the EVs are invested in Special Attack and Speed, giving Bulbasaur more opportunities to sweep unprepared teams. Bulbasaur outspeeds the entire unboosted metagame after Z-Celebrate boosts, but a Timid nature can be used instead of Modest to outspeed unboosted Nasty Plot Vullaby before using Z-Celebrate, but it makes Bulbasaur much weaker; for example, a Modest nature ensures the 2HKO on Pumpkaboo-S after Stealth Rock.

Usage Tips
========

Bulbasaur is best used as a late-game sweeper or as a cleaner, so try to find setup opportunities against passive or slower Pokemon, such as Spritzee, Snubull, or Timburr, [ac] by immobilizing them with Sleep Powder if Bulbasaur uses it on its set. Avoid setting up when your opponent has a Pokemon that will eventually stop Bulbasaur, such as Steel-types and revenge killers. When playing against Pokemon that can check Bulbasaur effectively after a boost, use Sleep Powder to shut them down, but remember that Bulbasaur should stay healthy before it sets up. This includes status such as paralysis, which Bulbasaur should strongly avoid. Lastly, remove phazers such as Mareanie before setting up, as Bulbasaur is completely useless without the boosts provided by Z-Celebrate.

Team Options
========

Bulbasaur pairs well with answers to Flying-types such as Pawniard, Onix, and Kabuto, since most of the Flying-types carry Choice Scarf and, [ac] as a result, [ac] they must be removed to ease Bulbasaur's sweep. Chinchou, in particular, helps Bulbasaur against Flying-types, Ponyta, Magnemite, and Fire-types. (Ponyta is a fire-type so maybe just remove it?) Speaking of Water-types, some of them, such as Staryu and Mareanie, can help Bulbasaur face the aforementioned Fire-types. Trappers are really appreciated teammates too; Diglett traps the Steel-, Poison-, and Fire-types that might stop Bulbasaur's sweep, such as Magnemite and Ponyta, and Grimer-A Alolan Grimer traps Abra and Gastly, which revenge kill Bulbasaur easily. Steel-type checks such as Mienfoo, Timburr, Ponyta, and Diglett are indispensable teammates as well, since Bulbasaur can't hit them effectively even with a boosted Hidden Power Fire; examples include Mienfoo, Timburr, Ponyta, and Diglett. Solid answers to Poison-types are pretty good teammates too, such as Groundium Z Diglett, Mudbray and Abra. Lastly, Fire-types such as Ponyta and Torchic appreciate Bulbasaur's ability to take down Water- and Ground-types while they remove Steel-types and the unavoidable Foongus. Entry hazard setters such as Kabuto and Ferroseed can wear down Pokemon to ease Bulbasaur's sweep. Lastly, Bulbasaur strongly appreciates a slow VoltTurn from Pokemon such as Mienfoo or even Larvesta. (explain why)

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Due to Bulbasaur's shallow movepool, Bulbasaur has very few options to use effectively. Hidden Power Ground can be used instead of Hidden Power Fire to hit Poison-types harder while still hitting Pawniard, but some of the most important Poison-types such as Gastly and Foongus aren't significantly damaged by it, and it leaves Bulbasaur completely walled by Ferroseed. A defensive set with Eviolite may work as well, but it's outclassed by Foongus, which has a better movepool and Regenerator. Lastly, a set with Choice Scarf can be used, but Bulbasaur is terribly weak without boosts and it has very few coverage options.

Checks and Counters
===================
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**Fire-types**: Fire-types such as Ponyta and Torchic are huge threats to Bulbasaur, since they are faster than it without the Z-Celebrate boosts and can boost their Speed via Flame Charge and Speed Boost, respectively. However, Bulbasaur hits these Fire-types hard enough with Sludge Bomb, and it can put them to sleep with Sleep Powder.

**Flying-types**: Common Flying-types, such as Vullaby and Doduo, can threaten Bulbasaur with their strong STAB types attacks, and they can use a Choice Scarf to revenge kill Bulbasaur without forcing their trainer you to sacrifice some Pokemon to defeat Bulbasaur.

**Bulky Steel-types**: Ferroseed, Pawniard, and Magnemite can threaten Bulbasaur if it's not running Fire coverage, and some of them can take one hit or two from it, even if it's running Hidden Power Fire or Hidden Power Ground.

**Revenge Killers**: Revenge killers such as Focus Sash Abra, Choice Scarf Amaura, and Choice Scarf Doduo can force Bulbasaur out of the battle(remove space)field, if they don't just OHKO it.

**Poison-types**: Poison-types such as Mareanie and Foonguss Foongus can easily take any hit from Bulbasaur and can remove its Z-Celebrate boosts by using Haze and Clear Smog, respectively.

 

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[OVERVIEW]

While being cute and the first Pokemon in the Pokedex, (consider removing this, fluff :() (no need to be shy, this is objectively filler) Bulbasaur is a potent sweeper in the LC metagame, as Z-Celebrate allows it to be a potent cleaner mid- and or late-game and sweep unprepared teams with ease. Additionally, its average Z-Celebrate-boosted bulk after a Celebrate boost and access to Sleep Powder allows it to take some hits from strong Pokemon or immobilize them after setting up, since its good defensive typing gives it some key resistances, such as Fighting, Fairy, and Water. Unfortunately, Bulbasaur is frail and weak without the Z-Celebrate boosts, and it lacks setup opportunities against most of the Pokemon in the metagame since it is weak to common types, (comma) such as Psychic and Flying. And it's not over yet; Bulbasaur also has a bad movepool and has to rely in on Hidden Power Fire to do significant damage against to Steel- and Poison-types, and even with a Celebrate boost, which can only be used obtained once. Bulbasaur is also outsped by common Choice Scarf users, (comma) such as Doduo and Rufflet. Bulbasaur also faces competition with Pumpkaboo-S, [ac] as both can use Z-Moves to boost all of their stats, and Z-Trick-or-Treat is obviously better more useful than Z-Celebrate.

[SET]
name: Z-Celebrate Sweeper
move 1: Celebrate
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Sleep Powder
item: Normalium Z
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Modest
evs: 52 Def / 160 SpA / 240 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Celebrate, (comma) when paired with Normalium Z, (comma) gives Bulbasaur an invaluable boosts in all every stats, transforming it into a huge threat. Sludge Bomb is its main STAB move, OHKOing Doduo and 2HKOing Vullaby, common metagame staples, after a boost. Giga Drain, (comma) while also being a powerful STAB move, is also a powerful STAB move and gives Bulbasaur a reliable form of recovery against Water- and Ground-types, OHKOing the offensive variants of Staryu and Mudbray after a boost. Hidden Power Fire gives Bulbasaur a form method of 2HKOing Pawniard and Ferroseed, but Sleep Powder can be used instead, [ac] of Hidden Power Fire as it is useful against slower targets and gives Bulbasaur a way to set up reliably, but its low accuracy makes it a risky option. Synthesis can be used in the fourth slot as well, since it gives Bulbasaur longevity, but Giga Drain already provides recovery and Hidden Power Fire or Sleep Powder are is usually better.

Set Details
========

Chlorophyll is the only available ability if Bulbasaur uses Celebrate, so it must be used, and Normalium Z is a must too. The Defense EVs on Bulbasaur allow it to take hits from strong physical attackers and be hard to revenge kill, as it survives one Ice Punch followed by a Mach Punch from Iron Fist Timburr after Stealth Rock damage. The rest of the EVs are invested in Special Attack and Speed, giving Bulbasaur more opportunities to sweep unprepared teams. Bulbasaur outspeeds the entire unboosted metagame after Z-Celebrate boosts, but a Timid nature can be used instead of Modest to outspeed unboosted Nasty Plot Vullaby before using Z-Celebrate, (comma) but it makes at the cost of making Bulbasaur much weaker; for example, a Modest nature ensures the 2HKO on Pumpkaboo-S after Stealth Rock.

Usage Tips
========

Bulbasaur is best used as a late-game sweeper or as a cleaner, so try to find setup opportunities against passive or slower Pokemon, such as Spritzee, Snubull, or and Timburr, [ac] by immobilizing them with Sleep Powder if Bulbasaur uses it on its set. Avoid setting up when your opponent has a Pokemon that will eventually stop Bulbasaur, such as Steel-types and revenge killers. When playing against Pokemon that can check Bulbasaur effectively after a boost, use Sleep Powder to shut them down, but remember that Bulbasaur should stay healthy before it sets up. This includes avoiding status such as paralysis, (comma) which Bulbasaur should strongly avoid. Lastly, remove phazers such as Mareanie before setting up, as Bulbasaur is completely useless without the boosts provided by Z-Celebrate.

Team Options
========

Bulbasaur pairs well with answers to Flying-types such as Pawniard, Onix, and Kabuto, since most of the Flying-types carry Choice Scarf and, [ac] as a result, [ac] they must be removed to ease ensure Bulbasaur's sweep. Chinchou, (comma) in particular, (comma) helps Bulbasaur against Flying-types, Ponyta, Magnemite, and Fire-types, (comma) especially Ponyta. (Ponyta is a fire-type so maybe just remove it?) (my solution should be a nice compromise) Speaking of Water-types, some of them Other Water-types, such as Staryu and Mareanie, can help Bulbasaur face the aforementioned Fire-types. Trappers are really appreciated teammates too; Diglett traps the Steel-, Poison-, and Fire-types that might stop Bulbasaur's sweep, such as Magnemite and Ponyta, and Grimer-A Alolan Grimer traps Abra and Gastly, which revenge kill Bulbasaur easily. Steel-type checks such as Mienfoo, Timburr, Ponyta, and Diglett are indispensable teammates as well, since Bulbasaur can't hit them effectively even with a boosted Hidden Power Fire; examples include Mienfoo, Timburr, Ponyta, and Diglett. Solid answers to Poison-types, (comma) including Groundium Z Diglett, Mudbray, and Abra, are pretty good teammates too, (comma) such as Groundium Z Diglett, Mudbray and Abra. Lastly, Fire-types such as Ponyta and Torchic appreciate Bulbasaur's ability to take down Water- and Ground-types while they remove Steel-types and the unavoidable Foongus. Entry hazard setters such as Kabuto and Ferroseed can wear down Pokemon to ease Bulbasaur's sweep. Lastly, Bulbasaur strongly appreciates a slow VoltTurn from Pokemon such as Mienfoo or even Larvesta. (explain why)

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Due to Bulbasaur's shallow movepool, Bulbasaur has very few other options to use effectively. Hidden Power Ground can be used instead of Hidden Power Fire to hit Poison-types harder while still hitting Pawniard, but some of the most important Poison-types such as Gastly and Foongus aren't significantly damaged by it, and it leaves Bulbasaur completely walled by Ferroseed. A defensive set with Eviolite may work as well, but it's outclassed by Foongus, which has a better movepool and Regenerator. Lastly, a A set with Choice Scarf can be used, but Bulbasaur is terribly weak without boosts and it has very few coverage options.

Checks and Counters
===================
(line break)
**Fire-types**: Fire-types such as Ponyta and Torchic are huge threats to Bulbasaur, since they are faster than it without the Z-Celebrate boosts and can boost their Speed via Flame Charge and Speed Boost, respectively. However, Bulbasaur hits these Fire-types hard enough with Sludge Bomb to 2HKO, and it can put them to sleep with Sleep Powder.

**Flying-types**: Common Flying-types, (comma) such as Vullaby and Doduo, (comma) can threaten Bulbasaur with their strong STAB types attacks, and they can use Choice Scarf to revenge kill Bulbasaur without forcing their trainer to sacrifice some Pokemon to be sacrificed to defeat Bulbasaur it.

**Bulky Steel-types**: Ferroseed, Pawniard, and Magnemite can threaten Bulbasaur if it's not running Fire-type coverage, and some of them can take one hit or two from it, even if it's running Hidden Power Fire or Hidden Power Ground.

**Revenge Killers**: Revenge killers such as Focus Sash Abra, Choice Scarf Amaura, and Choice Scarf Doduo can force Bulbasaur out of the battlefield, if they don't just OHKO it.

**Poison-types**: Poison-types such as Mareanie and Foonguss Foongus can easily take any hit from Bulbasaur and can remove its Z-Celebrate boosts by using Haze and or Clear Smog, respectively.

 

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[OVERVIEW]

While being cute and the first Pokemon in the Pokedex, (consider removing this, fluff :() (no need to be shy, this is objectively filler) Bulbasaur is a potent sweeper in the LC metagame, as Z-Celebrate allows it to be a potent cleaner mid- and or late-game and sweep unprepared teams with ease. Additionally, its average Z-Celebrate-boosted bulk after a Celebrate boost and access to Sleep Powder allows it to take some hits from strong Pokemon or immobilize them after setting up, since its good defensive typing gives it some key resistances, such as Fighting, Fairy, and Water. Unfortunately, Bulbasaur is frail and weak without the Z-Celebrate boosts, and it lacks setup opportunities against most of the Pokemon in the metagame since it is weak to common types, (comma) such as Psychic and Flying. And it's not over yet; Bulbasaur also has a bad movepool and has to rely in on Hidden Power Fire to do significant damage against to Steel- and Poison-types, and even with a Celebrate boost, which can only be used obtained once. Bulbasaur is also outsped by common Choice Scarf users, (comma) such as Doduo and Rufflet. Bulbasaur also faces competition with Pumpkaboo-S, [ac] as both can use Z-Moves to boost all of their stats, and Z-Trick-or-Treat is obviously better more useful than Z-Celebrate.

[SET]
name: Z-Celebrate Sweeper
move 1: Celebrate
move 2: Sludge Bomb
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Sleep Powder
item: Normalium Z
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Modest
evs: 52 Def / 160 SpA / 240 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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Celebrate, (comma) when paired with Normalium Z, (comma) gives Bulbasaur an invaluable boosts in all every stats, transforming it into a huge threat. Sludge Bomb is its main STAB move, OHKOing Doduo and 2HKOing Vullaby, common metagame staples, after a boost. Giga Drain, (comma) while also being a powerful STAB move, is also a powerful STAB move and gives Bulbasaur a reliable form of recovery against Water- and Ground-types, OHKOing the offensive variants of Staryu and Mudbray after a boost. Hidden Power Fire gives Bulbasaur a form method of 2HKOing Pawniard and Ferroseed, but Sleep Powder can be used instead, [ac] of Hidden Power Fire as it is useful against slower targets and gives Bulbasaur a way to set up reliably, but its low accuracy makes it a risky option. Synthesis can be used in the fourth slot as well, since it gives Bulbasaur longevity, but Giga Drain already provides recovery and Hidden Power Fire or Sleep Powder are is usually better.

Set Details
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Chlorophyll is the only available ability if Bulbasaur uses Celebrate, so it must be used, and Normalium Z is a must too. The Defense EVs on Bulbasaur allow it to take hits from strong physical attackers and be hard to revenge kill, as it survives one Ice Punch followed by a Mach Punch from Iron Fist Timburr after Stealth Rock damage. The rest of the EVs are invested in Special Attack and Speed, giving Bulbasaur more opportunities to sweep unprepared teams. Bulbasaur outspeeds the entire unboosted metagame after Z-Celebrate boosts, but a Timid nature can be used instead of Modest to outspeed unboosted Nasty Plot Vullaby before using Z-Celebrate, (comma) but it makes at the cost of making Bulbasaur much weaker; for example, a Modest nature ensures the 2HKO on Pumpkaboo-S after Stealth Rock.

Usage Tips
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Bulbasaur is best used as a late-game sweeper or as a cleaner, so try to find setup opportunities against passive or slower Pokemon, such as Spritzee, Snubull, or and Timburr, [ac] by immobilizing them with Sleep Powder if Bulbasaur uses it on its set. Avoid setting up when your opponent has a Pokemon that will eventually stop Bulbasaur, such as Steel-types and revenge killers. When playing against Pokemon that can check Bulbasaur effectively after a boost, use Sleep Powder to shut them down, but remember that Bulbasaur should stay healthy before it sets up. This includes avoiding status such as paralysis, (comma) which Bulbasaur should strongly avoid. Lastly, remove phazers such as Mareanie before setting up, as Bulbasaur is completely useless without the boosts provided by Z-Celebrate.

Team Options
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Bulbasaur pairs well with answers to Flying-types such as Pawniard, Onix, and Kabuto, since most of the Flying-types carry Choice Scarf and, [ac] as a result, [ac] they must be removed to ease ensure Bulbasaur's sweep. Chinchou, (comma) in particular, (comma) helps Bulbasaur against Flying-types, Ponyta, Magnemite, and Fire-types, (comma) especially Ponyta. (Ponyta is a fire-type so maybe just remove it?) (my solution should be a nice compromise) Speaking of Water-types, some of them Other Water-types, such as Staryu and Mareanie, can help Bulbasaur face the aforementioned Fire-types. Trappers are really appreciated teammates too; Diglett traps the Steel-, Poison-, and Fire-types that might stop Bulbasaur's sweep, such as Magnemite and Ponyta, and Grimer-A Alolan Grimer traps Abra and Gastly, which revenge kill Bulbasaur easily. Steel-type checks such as Mienfoo, Timburr, Ponyta, and Diglett are indispensable teammates as well, since Bulbasaur can't hit them effectively even with a boosted Hidden Power Fire; examples include Mienfoo, Timburr, Ponyta, and Diglett. Solid answers to Poison-types, (comma) including Groundium Z Diglett, Mudbray, and Abra, are pretty good teammates too, (comma) such as Groundium Z Diglett, Mudbray and Abra. Lastly, Fire-types such as Ponyta and Torchic appreciate Bulbasaur's ability to take down Water- and Ground-types while they remove Steel-types and the unavoidable Foongus. Entry hazard setters such as Kabuto and Ferroseed can wear down Pokemon to ease Bulbasaur's sweep. Lastly, Bulbasaur strongly appreciates a slow VoltTurn from Pokemon such as Mienfoo or even Larvesta. (explain why)

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Due to Bulbasaur's shallow movepool, Bulbasaur has very few other options to use effectively. Hidden Power Ground can be used instead of Hidden Power Fire to hit Poison-types harder while still hitting Pawniard, but some of the most important Poison-types such as Gastly and Foongus aren't significantly damaged by it, and it leaves Bulbasaur completely walled by Ferroseed. A defensive set with Eviolite may work as well, but it's outclassed by Foongus, which has a better movepool and Regenerator. Lastly, a A set with Choice Scarf can be used, but Bulbasaur is terribly weak without boosts and it has very few coverage options.

Checks and Counters
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**Fire-types**: Fire-types such as Ponyta and Torchic are huge threats to Bulbasaur, since they are faster than it without the Z-Celebrate boosts and can boost their Speed via Flame Charge and Speed Boost, respectively. However, Bulbasaur hits these Fire-types hard enough with Sludge Bomb to 2HKO, and it can put them to sleep with Sleep Powder.

**Flying-types**: Common Flying-types, (comma) such as Vullaby and Doduo, (comma) can threaten Bulbasaur with their strong STAB types attacks, and they can use Choice Scarf to revenge kill Bulbasaur without forcing their trainer to sacrifice some Pokemon to be sacrificed to defeat Bulbasaur it.

**Bulky Steel-types**: Ferroseed, Pawniard, and Magnemite can threaten Bulbasaur if it's not running Fire-type coverage, and some of them can take one hit or two from it, even if it's running Hidden Power Fire or Hidden Power Ground.

**Revenge Killers**: Revenge killers such as Focus Sash Abra, Choice Scarf Amaura, and Choice Scarf Doduo can force Bulbasaur out of the battlefield, if they don't just OHKO it.

**Poison-types**: Poison-types such as Mareanie and Foonguss Foongus can easily take any hit from Bulbasaur and can remove its Z-Celebrate boosts by using Haze and or Clear Smog, respectively.

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