NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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pancake said:
reads list as I read the game

Hawkie + Asek are the same faction and I'm 99% sure it's town because of the interactions regarding Jalmont on page 3, even though hawkie's sudden shift in 487 is a little weird I sure wouldn't bus one of the best mafia roles day 1 lol. They are my town core.
I add Ullar to this because iirc ullar's sarcastic remarks and brutal honesty are main cores of his town game, and he was honestly just fine under pressure. I also add king_ because saying king_ is scum "because he's a fucking idiot" just doesn't cut it (he's not as dumb as people make him out to be) and he actually explained his reads for once and they made SENSE, i think the page is like 21 or smth
Finally MoodyCloud makes my strongest town reads list due to his analytical playstyle recently that I expect of town moody, and honestly 670
Former Hope/ironic is playing extremely scum meta early game, he is not usually this jumpy in regards to lynching and not nearly this harsh when he is town. Also leet's "I'm confused!" post somewhere within the first 10 pages (I think it's like page 9) is really bad and 90% of the time people who post shit like this are either new (not leet) or scum trying to get people to clear up their reads so they can jump on a corresponding wagon or attack someone as scum by interpreting something they say during this "explain to the player" period so yeah he's on my scum list as well. The final scum for me is either blazade or texas. Blazade's early posts were really bad for him and he hasn't posted much recently but the posts had legitimately no content at all. Texas has been hopping from easy wagon to easy wagon all over day 1, like in recent post 689 where he tries to make his post sound analytical but fails by just randomly deciding to sheep king with josh.

The rest of the people are less solid reads for me, I don't think KoC is scum but moody is correct in that he's a decent lynch regarding tvt in yesterday's arguments. More tomorrow when I'm not tired.
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Votecount
Pancake (3): Moodycloud, Empoof, Hawkie
Ironic Double (2): Fort Colorcastle, Lightwolf
KnightsofCydonia (2): Asek, Yeti
Asek (1): KnightsofCydonia
Texas Cloverleaf (1): Pancake
Yeti (1): Texas Cloverleaf

Not Voting (2): Ironic Double, Josh
 
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Ironic Double (2): Fort Colorcastle, Lightwolf
KnightsofCydonia (2): Asek, Yeti
Pancake (2): Moodycloud, Empoof
Yeti (2): Texas Cloverleaf, Hawkie
Asek (1): KnightsofCydonia
Texas Cloverleaf (1): Pancake

Not Voting (2): Ironic Double, Josh
 
Hawkie said:
literally shut up i know im shit enough to be wrong about at least one of them

More clasping at strings i litetally cant deal with you anymore unvote lynch yeti
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IronicDouble (‽) said:
pancake imo tell me why you suddenly tred me thats not a very pancake-isque thing to do
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I've literally repeated it multiple times in this thread, but I guess I'll do it again just for you:
yesterday Hitmonleet decided to basically resign, he was scum and his resignation "plea" failed. you saw this, thus why would you ever try it today??? that would be extremely idiotic as scum and this is supported by the fact that resigning isn't alignment-indicative for you

MoodyCloud said:
Jalmont voting Texas twice in RVS isn't much of a proof that Texas is town
Pancake if you scumread Hitmonleet right from the moment you subbed in why did you not lynch him even once d2 when he was one of the two main wagons
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because texas and ID were more scummy to me. it's literally that simple. leet got worse going into d3 because as people put more pressure on him he could not effectively defend himself or create deep enough reads reads to start a counterwagon. I'm also a big believer in the NOC 'philosophy' that you should lynch who you scumread yourself instead of your preferred selection of the day's wagons, except when necessary, which it isn't rn, hence why I'm still on texas.

also Thetwinmasters votecount is wrong plural is currently on me i think

also Empoof can we have that ISO in less than an hour? i have to go to bed early because I have to wake up early as fUCK tomorrow morning
 
pancake said:
I've literally repeated it multiple times in this thread, but I guess I'll do it again just for you:
yesterday Hitmonleet decided to basically resign, he was scum and his resignation "plea" failed. you saw this, thus why would you ever try it today??? that would be extremely idiotic as scum and this is supported by the fact that resigning isn't alignment-indicative for you



because texas and ID were more scummy to me. it's literally that simple. leet got worse going into d3 because as people put more pressure on him he could not effectively defend himself or create deep enough reads reads to start a counterwagon. I'm also a big believer in the NOC 'philosophy' that you should lynch who you scumread yourself instead of your preferred selection of the day's wagons, except when necessary, which it isn't rn, hence why I'm still on texas.

also Thetwinmasters votecount is wrong plural is currently on me i think

also Empoof can we have that ISO in less than an hour? i have to go to bed early because I have to wake up early as fUCK tomorrow morning
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ok apparently me resigning has forced you to tr me yay lol
 
"I add Ullar to this because iirc ullar's sarcastic remarks and brutal honesty are main cores of his town game"

i feel like ullar got banned for a good duration of pancake's time in circus

like pancake giving a meta read on ullar to townread him seems ?????????

(i agree cause my slot but im dubious)
 
pancake said:
I've literally repeated it multiple times in this thread, but I guess I'll do it again just for you:
yesterday Hitmonleet decided to basically resign, he was scum and his resignation "plea" failed. you saw this, thus why would you ever try it today??? that would be extremely idiotic as scum and this is supported by the fact that resigning isn't alignment-indicative for you



because texas and ID were more scummy to me. it's literally that simple. leet got worse going into d3 because as people put more pressure on him he could not effectively defend himself or create deep enough reads reads to start a counterwagon. I'm also a big believer in the NOC 'philosophy' that you should lynch who you scumread yourself instead of your preferred selection of the day's wagons, except when necessary, which it isn't rn, hence why I'm still on texas.

also Thetwinmasters votecount is wrong plural is currently on me i think

also Empoof can we have that ISO in less than an hour? i have to go to bed early because I have to wake up early as fUCK tomorrow morning
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Oh I don't post isos I read them.

and damn dog you might have randed scum this game
 
Yeti said:
"I add Ullar to this because iirc ullar's sarcastic remarks and brutal honesty are main cores of his town game"

i feel like ullar got banned for a good duration of pancake's time in circus

like pancake giving a meta read on ullar to townread him seems ?????????

(i agree cause my slot but im dubious)
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this is an excellent point
 
pancake said:
yeah texas/ironicdouble p obvious scumteam right here. i know clc (ironicdouble) pretty well and saying "I'd lean town but wouldn't be surprised if scum" is not only unlike him but just a generally extremely scummy action. Leet's more recent comments are rather offputting as well, he is asking questions of others instead of answering some himself and he is ignoring the main reason to town read hawkie which was the initial jalmont scumread. (side note: hawkie is p harsh generally so it's not like this is abnormal for him, no offense hawk D: <3). At least some form of a contribution makes him less of a scumread than texas rn for me, who makes posts like 856 which legitimately doesn't say anything. Read it.



This seems like some sort of attempt to sound intellectual while just blatantly stating the mechanics of mafia lol, and it's the same for that entire post. The one thing that texas has going for him is the fact that jalmont scumread him to an extent but honestly jalmont's reads were extremely muddled besides on asek lol, especially regarding texas of whether he's null/scum, and if it was a "genuine" fake scumread it could just as easily be a bus.

But yeah, don't mind this tangent about texas, for the reasons previously stated fh/ironic is my biggest scumread and therefore vote IronicDouble
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Hawkie said:
you seriously think Hitmonleet is town........ .bye
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pancake said:
did you even read my post. he's one of my 3 biggest scumreads, and I was noting how texas got worse so he was more of a scumread now than leet.

sorry if that was unclear(?)
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pancake said:
asek I liked your post because I hate posting one liners and I agreed with it. that's what the like button is meant to show. I have a feeling hitmonleet does the same.

josh prolly isn't scum. I did think that ullar was town and so yeti really isn't an ideal lynch, and I mean clearly josh isn't idiotic enough to assume that everyone else has the same opinion as him, although post 999 is really pushing it. IronicDouble is by far the best lynch for me but that's most definitely not going to happen so it's really a tossup between leet and texas for me. in general I think this whole josh/king fight is a tvt fight, king can be a huge idiot sometimes but josh can be extremely pushy / ignorant of other peoples' views and these two character traits are subsequently each others' scumtells of the other; I don't think king_ is a good lynch. The texas flip is useful for king_'s read while the hitmon flip would help clarify my read on ironicdouble, but I think the former is more useful for town as a whole so lynch texas cloverleaf

also gz on post 2000 josh
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Can u hl me if something HUUUUUUUUUGE happens

This feels like circletalk rn

Knights looks shit
Cake looks shit
Yeti looks less shit
Id looks not shitty but i may be pocketed by this slot
 
im honestly not sure im gonna be able to vote pancake today. acknowledging if he flips scum ill look very much like a scumbuddy.

i think the slot has probably the third-worst votes in the game. the id and fort slots are worse.

it might be no coincidence that all 3 of these have been subbed so there are inconsistencies between the earlier player and current the current cant explain. mine has also been subbed 3 times and nobody bothered to run the vote analyses on moody/asek/josh or even me but i reckon you'd have reason to cast some shade onto my votes.

i just.. the former hope ignoring of leet then id hard tunneling him (and i am willing to make the statement that if all of hawkie/blazade/texas are town there was a HUGE town-led wagon onto leet forming d1 so yes, his teammate even one subbing in is going to start hard bussing him to fit in on d2) strikes me as a more suspicious pattern. i dont like paperblade and pancake's votes at all.

i see a lot of flaws in pancakes posts. i see stuff that i dont want to vote pancake for in his posts. i think hes made some genuine efforts to elaborate on his scumreads.

iunno if the people on the cake wagon want to sum up the reasons i should vote cake i will read over them and give them a lot of thought. im not ruling out pancake. just, on my own, im not sure id be voting him. i am reading the thread and seeing everyones current arguments and i think empoof's iso is very elucidating.
 
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