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Texas Cloverleaf said:
if you want to tell me that posts like these have nothing to do with oog then you're lying through your teeth

and when every other post you make is laced with acerbic subtext like these guess what bud, you're not being "blunt" you're being a cunt
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dude because you posted 1 billion words on this game and expected me to read them. i dont care who wrote that my reaction would have been the same. ill give u the first one though that is kinda rude although it's just generally more about ur attitude in this game than anything outside the game but you are of course free to interpret how you wish. you're acting like just because you have graced this game with your presence that everyone is required to listen to you and agree with you. excuse me that i think you posted a bunch of fluff/borderline nonsense and take issue with everyone acting like you just posted the bible for this game. i'm sorry that you think i'm acting differently because of who the user is. i will do my best to tone it down

tell me this isn't directly a jibe lmao
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it's not a jibe - you told me i was wrong and gave me no explanation as to why i am wrong other than because. how else should i interpret some of your statements?

so don't give me shit about "holding u emotionally hostage". you're being an outright asshole to me and i will not play in a game where that's the case. I have better things to do with my time, I have other ways to have fun, and I have other things to be doing that don't involve my being personally attacked and i promise you i'll be much happier without your bullshit pissing me off
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man i fucking wish someone had cared when someone was being an asshole to me lmao. sub out or complain to a moderator. apparently they are taking these complaints very seriously in 2018.

from personal experience though you're right about being happier :/ seriously though i genuinely hope you do whats right for you though. for my part i will do my best to be more reasonable/not as acerbic if that really hampers your game experience. that's not and never is my intention.
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
Whydon

Why do you think you were the target of the persuade? Why Aubisio to vote you?

With respect to jordan you say: "d1 jumped on tbz wagon. d2 made one real post. literally nothing other than that. this is honestly one of my only truly "confident" reads that I can say I have - i believe he is scum and he gives no indication as to otherwise."
You went into detail about this a bit, but what about this specific set of information makes this read more "confident" than the town reads you've put on other people?
Do you see any universe where jordan makes the posts/actions he's done as town? What are the implications of that?

With respect to KnightsOfCydonia, how do you intend to sort their alignment? What do you need to do beyond passively observing to achieve that?
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because they know they can probably use jalmont's reasoning as a policy lynch for me. which is why i dont necessarily think that jalmont is mafia, but i think he is definitely setting up wagons that mafia will easily be able to jump on without much suspicion. and they chose aubisio because they needed someone inactive to vote for me just in case aubisio isn't online enough to vote.

it's just far too standardized for me (if that makes sense). in my eyes, he is playing the perfect mafia early game: make some posts kinda just repeating what others have said, jump on a bandwagon on someone who is inactive, come back during d2 and say "sorry ive been inactive. [insert reasoning and generic reads here] vote [bandwagon]." btw, he's reads give no information. "tbz is probably mafia. mixed on jalmont." it's the easiest way to skate by as mafia without having to do much and i'm seeing through it, which is why im confident with that vote.

only possibility of that is if he's vanilla town, or POSSIBLY some kind of unorthodox village role that he wants to stay alive with for a little bit. which could explain why he's playing so safe, but i think that's rather unlikely considering he hasn't indicated the possibility of that either.

honestly, nothing. i honestly won't even bother with pressuring because i can't read their posts. i just have to wait and see who they vote and who dies, or until he slips up and says something weird. i know that's not the answer you wanted
 
Jalmont said:
from personal experience though you're right about being happier :/ seriously though i genuinely hope you do whats right for you though. for my part i will do my best to be more reasonable/not as acerbic if that really hampers your game experience. that's not and never is my intention.
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i appreciate that
 
3P1K said:
"this question is for 3P1K, Blazade, and Earlio - since you are voting for aubisio does that mean you do not believe his persuade? and if you don't believe his persuade, then under what scenario does it make sense that both him and i would be mafia (other than us trying to clear each other or whatever)"
Snipped the previous quote^^ because im on mobile atm and im lazy and wasnt planning on pulling out my computer till it was time for my promised content to come out (whenever i get bored of DB FighterZ).
Lets run your thought a bit further; lets imply i dont believe the persuade (tbh faking the existance of a persuade is stupid, a persuade idling and scum acting as that target on the other hand...) I can honestly understand your logic of why you+aubisio arent a viable scumteam. But in which post did i state having a scumread on you or lynch you? At what point did i even imply you+aubisio were a viable scumteam?
But to answer your question I doubted the potential of you two as a scumteam after i learned what a persuade was.

tentatively gonna unlynch at least until i go through all the isos tonight
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I'm not implying anything. I just wanted to know if you thought it made sense that Aubisio and I could be scumteam, and give reasoning as to why you felt that way.
 
Whydon you aren't a safety policy lynch. I ended day 1 with my vote on you. I also didn't 180 on Haruno. I never wanted to actually policy lynch him because I think it's silly to vote afk people day 1. We do need to deal with eventually though, like probably tomorrow.

The fact that Whydon has so much to say about the persuade is just setup speculation and an attempt to drive the conversation into territory that isn't really relevant. Just want to note that as well.
 
I'm not saying that any of you implied that. The reason I ask is because if you vote for Aubisio then you must have a position on the persuade, which is what I'm asking about. Please don't take my questions out of context.
 
Jalmont said:
Whydon you aren't a safety policy lynch. I ended day 1 with my vote on you. I also didn't 180 on Haruno. I never wanted to actually policy lynch him because I think it's silly to vote afk people day 1. We do need to deal with eventually though, like probably tomorrow.

The fact that Whydon has so much to say about the persuade is just setup speculation and an attempt to drive the conversation into territory that isn't really relevant. Just want to note that as well.
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I hope you know that if you really aren't mafia then you are setting them up to turn me into a safety policy lynch. So in that regard, yes I am. Especially given how easy it is to just roll with your reasoning and not question it.

We can have two conversations at the same time. One about the vote, one about the persuade. I'm not trying to drive anything into irrelevant territory. I stated my logic so now I want to know why you think it would make sense that Aubisio and I could be mafia together.
 
apricity said:
twin and blazade are scum. jalmont probably will also flip scum but i'm less sure about that. will hop onto any of those three wagons that looks like it has promising momentum.
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yeah reading through the last two pages i'm starting to really love this post that i made earlier today

also i'm not buying the xna vote as all just because i just finished a game with him and shit was he scummy there as well
 
Whydon said:
I hope you know that if you really aren't mafia then you are setting them up to turn me into a safety policy lynch. So in that regard, yes I am. Especially given how easy it is to just roll with your reasoning and not question it.

We can have two conversations at the same time. One about the vote, one about the persuade. I'm not trying to drive anything into irrelevant territory. I stated my logic so now I want to know why you think it would make sense that Aubisio and I could be mafia together.
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I mean is it any worse than voting someone for being inactive? What sort of reasoning exists that isn't easy to roll with? I'm not so sure that really exists.

As a general rule I think discussion about setup and roles that aren't especially pertinent is scummy. I did see your question, I just chose not to answer it because I don't deem it an important question to answer. Just to let you know.
 
apricity said:
also i'm not buying the xna vote as all just because i just finished a game with him and shit was he scummy there as well
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lol truth, and the last i played with him too

honestly the only reason i'm not pushing him aggressively, i'm a little concerned it might just be his playstyle that comes off as scummy to how i read
 
Jalmont said:
As a general rule I think discussion about setup and roles that aren't especially pertinent is scummy. I did see your question, I just chose not to answer it because I don't deem it an important question to answer. Just to let you know.
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To be fair I did directly ask about his thoughts on the persuade in a couple different contexts, not like it was unprompted
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
To be fair I did directly ask about his thoughts on the persuade in a couple different contexts, not like it was unprompted
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which would be a fair point if not for the fact that whydon goes further and says

whydon said:
persuades are not completely viable but they create some interesting secnarios. in fact i think everyone is failing to look deep enough into the persuade. if we assume that persuaders are always mafia, then obviously there is a persuader who wanted aubisio to vote for me (although I don't think it was specially aubisio, they probably just wanted to target someone inactive) given this i am assuming jalmont does not believe aubisio's persuade claim. it's clear that persuader is probably following along with jalmont's/blazade's idea that i am scum because im trying to blend in with town, and so they're probably hoping they can sell this off to get me voted off.
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so basically using the persuade to clear him as town but does so in an indirect manner
 
At some point though, that line of thought does have to lead to the conversation of "would the scum team set up a fake persuade" and then "who on the scum team would be experience/ballsy enough to come up with it"

starts limiting the pool since assuming a scum!whydon directly implicates aubisio as scum
 
like it's one thing if whydon is using the fact that he was the one persuaded to vote to clear himself, but as the one being voted any attempt to do that directly implicates aubisio as a willing partner because aubisio couldn't have otherwise known about a false persuade

occam's razor would suggest aubisio is just town who was actually persuaded
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
like it's one thing if whydon is using the fact that he was the one persuaded to vote to clear himself, but as the one being voted any attempt to do that directly implicates aubisio as a willing partner because aubisio couldn't have otherwise known about a false persuade

occam's razor would suggest aubisio is just town who was actually persuaded
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Not to be that guy but who's occam? Sorry~~
 
I'm pretty sure whydon is trying to buddy texas with his read post in order to get the lynch on jordan instead of himself because every other read but texas/jordan has a lot of hedging contained in them.
Lynch Whydon
 
from wiki

Occam's razor (also Ockham's razor; Latin: lex parsimoniae "law of parsimony") is a problem-solving principle attributed to William of Ockham (c. 1287–1347), who was an English Franciscan friar, scholastic philosopher, and theologian. His principle states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
 
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