NOC The Mafia Invitational Redux Game Thread - GAME OVER

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Prophylaxis said:
So yeah, I think I'm leaning scum here so far but I think I can read Moody as the game goes on since I find the differences between his town and scum game to be pretty stark.
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man idk the vote onto moody at the end of your post after a couple times of you saying "i think i can read moody as the game continues" feels like you realized you didn't set up any stronger scumreads in your post but wanted to vote someone anyway.

like if moody is town and mislynched today, your story is going to be "ugh i knew i would've solved him if he lived to d2 or d3! shame the rest of you lynched him before i could get a better read"
 
There's not much I can say to that other than "I'm town, feel free to lynch me if you want to see your theory proven wrong, LW/DLE/Walrein/Empoof are all literally occupying the same spot in my mind and I just wrote whatever the first thing came to me".

Like.. you can keep pressing the same point, but I can't really offer much more than the above.
 
Yeti said:
man idk the vote onto moody at the end of your post after a couple times of you saying "i think i can read moody as the game continues" feels like you realized you didn't set up any stronger scumreads in your post but wanted to vote someone anyway.

like if moody is town and mislynched today, your story is going to be "ugh i knew i would've solved him if he lived to d2 or d3! shame the rest of you lynched him before i could get a better read"
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I mean, out of everyone active, I don't think there are that many blatantly scummy people.

I don't think it's possible to get a really great view of the gamestate when it's Day 1, plus four people are idling. I'm giving it the best shot I can (hence why I posted the read wall). I think out of everyone who voted me I think Moody is the most likely to be scum, and I know I'm town, so the chances that at least one scum is on my wagon is fairly high I think?

Can you answer my questions about your readwall?
 
Yeti said:
did u rly just go "lynch me and get proven wrong haha" like bruh it's d1, if ur town fight for it

not appealing
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I fully intend to keep on posting content/scumhunting until I am lynched. One of my bigger flaws as town is giving up prior to the lynch and.. that's something I'm working on trying to fix.
 
Prophylaxis said:
Can you explain this a little more? Specifically, you're townreading Hawkie because he's yolo tunneling on me, then you explain why yolo tunneling is scummy, and then you "what's the scumteam if Hawkie is scum". How do these lead to you townreading him? You don't go into exactly /why/ he's townie because of things he wrote or what his mindset is, and my question is: why?
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those are the worlds i think hawkie could be scum in. absent me actually believing them, i think hawkie is town. he went yolo tunnel in matrix a bit, he spent one of the days going TEXAS IS SCUM HOW COULD I NOT SEE IT BEFORE ITS LITERALLY SO OBVIOUS NOW and was wrong and i got kinda tinfoil spooked there by him. however i think (well, thought, maybe it's not actually true l0l) that yolo tunneling a tough to get mislynch is either scum-with-certain-people or town.
 
Prophylaxis said:
If I had a gun to my head and told that I'd have to guess one scum or die, I'd go with Hitmonleet over Asek because.. Walrein feels more likely to replace out as scum versus town if his meta is that polarizing, but I want to see what Hitmonleet has to offer.
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addressing this first because its flat out incorrect and i saw it when i said i was playing runescape. walrein idled last game as scum and didnt sub out or request a sub as far as i know. Walrein has however in the past requested sub (and actually gone to quite extreme lengths to find a good one) when they were idling as town.

what im trying to get at is walrein asking for a sub isnt scum indicative at all and if history shows, is slightly town indicative if anything and im not sure how you come to the conclusion that walrein would feel more likely to replace out as scum when they didnt do so last game despite clearly struggling
 
Prophylaxis said:
Can you explain the bolded a little more? Specifically, why do you think it is redirection, and why do you think me choosing to explain my Knights townread to Hawkie is scummy?
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hawkie had the big OMG PROPH IS SCUM IM LOCKING IT IN and also had a post wanting you to expand on the knights read. you said you would address hawkie's posts about you, but then chose to address his post asking about your read on someone else, before his read onto you.

it's harder for scum to address Accurate scumreads onto them even if they think those reads exist for bad/wrong reasons. if someone pins you as scum and you are scum and they're babbling about something you don't think even IS scummy it's still hard to talk your way out of it.

so instead you go for the 'easier' avenue of addressing why you townread knights (perhaps an accuracy read in and of itself and he wouldn't be your teammate) because knowing knights actually is town lets you pick his posts you can claim support that read and then the focus is about knights and not so much you.
 
Yeti said:
those are the worlds i think hawkie could be scum in. absent me actually believing them, i think hawkie is town. he went yolo tunnel in matrix a bit, he spent one of the days going TEXAS IS SCUM HOW COULD I NOT SEE IT BEFORE ITS LITERALLY SO OBVIOUS NOW and was wrong and i got kinda tinfoil spooked there by him. however i think (well, thought, maybe it's not actually true l0l) that yolo tunneling a tough to get mislynch is either scum-with-certain-people or town.
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Yeah, I think I am in a similar boat with you WRT the yolo tunneling part. I mean, Metal Sonic did it, but it was with a player he knew well and was pretty burned out after Day 1 of doing it?

Was Hawkie town or scum in Matrix?
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
iirc someone was like "why is moody calling out texas for not talking about moody" which didn't seem to have scum equity
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oh yeah i said that

i thought that (as i said in the post) moody knowing hes utr maybe doesnt call attn to the fact texas accurately treated him as utr/irrelevant? like if you're scum you just kinda let that go and continue to make yourself unavailable at the BOTTOM of the poe. it felt like a lil townie indignance to be like hmph texas ignored me.
 
Asek said:
addressing this first because its flat out incorrect and i saw it when i said i was playing runescape. walrein idled last game as scum and didnt sub out or request a sub as far as i know. Walrein has however in the past requested sub (and actually gone to quite extreme lengths to find a good one) when they were idling as town.

what im trying to get at is walrein asking for a sub isnt scum indicative at all and if history shows, is slightly town indicative if anything and im not sure how you come to the conclusion that walrein would feel more likely to replace out as scum when they didnt do so last game despite clearly struggling
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OK, thanks for giving me more insight on this; my thought process was "Walrein rolled scum in the last game so he was dissatisfied; he rolled scum in this game and didn't want to deal with the pressure again" but analyzing replace outs is fairly angleshooty (though apparently still allowed on this site?) so I'm not going to go into more depth with it.

I'll just read the slot off of Hitmonleet's merits.

(by the way, are you playing rs3 or 2007? I played rs3 a while ago and quit when I completed all quests, I can ship you some cash if you need it)
 
Yeti said:
hawkie had the big OMG PROPH IS SCUM IM LOCKING IT IN and also had a post wanting you to expand on the knights read. you said you would address hawkie's posts about you, but then chose to address his post asking about your read on someone else, before his read onto you.

it's harder for scum to address Accurate scumreads onto them even if they think those reads exist for bad/wrong reasons. if someone pins you as scum and you are scum and they're babbling about something you don't think even IS scummy it's still hard to talk your way out of it.

so instead you go for the 'easier' avenue of addressing why you townread knights (perhaps an accuracy read in and of itself and he wouldn't be your teammate) because knowing knights actually is town lets you pick his posts you can claim support that read and then the focus is about knights and not so much you.
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OK, makes sense. I just chose to talk about Knights because it was literally the first up on things that he wanted me to address, plus I think I already stated that I would be willing to explain my Knights townread if needed earlier in the thread so yeah.
 
I suppose I should check Hawkie's linked scum game for meta at some point but I'd be surprised if he chose this avenue to take if he was actually scum.

Feels like it's more likely that we have like one deep + two slankers? Really can't solve things easily when a third of the game is literally afk.
 
its true that walrein is really resistant to subbing out as scum but i think thats bc he believes it will make it "super obvious" hes scum and doesnt have that same concern as town about how it'll look, and that he has someone to hard carry him (me lel) in those games.

our team was in a fairly (?) good spot last rand of this game until josh existed, walrein had slank cover and was slankING but managed to make like 50 eod or sod posts whichever it was and get townreads with those.

thats why i think randing scum again (without me to carry him) killed his wim completely. i feel like he would have been way more excited to rand town "this time" and get to play his preferred alignment especially bc he had indicated he would have more time "after the weekend" to play, and yet.
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
It's not criticizing a stylistic choice

It's potentially indicative of your subconcious mindset

You have two people who are in almost identical situations yet you spoke about one more aggressively than the other, it's quite possible this is indicative of your thoughts about one vs the other as if you know their alignments
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LightWolf is cooler than empoof?
 
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