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Trying to parse this nk before I dig into the nka and wagonomics. This combo seems curious to me because of the interactions between the two deceased and how Hawkie could have come under suspicion today for it.
 

Yeti

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im really annoyed with how resigned that lynch felt for some people

if proph had just like, not over and over done the K HAHA MY TOWN ROLE PM!! i would've actually fought it

did metal sonic ever actually push the lw slot? he wanted us to vote walrein and empoof but did he ever gun for lw?

i smell partners
 

Yeti

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i realized that this kinda felt like texas in matrix where he was like yeah im not making a hard push for you im just trying to solve and that like annoys me but he could be town here and just.. played really bad d1. the "get proph to l-1" zzzzzzz
 

Yeti

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I think Former Hope and KnightsofCydonia are town. FH has a string of pretty genuine posts where he feels like he is actually weighing the evidence and has some fairly nuanced thoughts. I feel like he's done a good job of showing what his thought process is and his play this game has been pretty transparent.

Knights, never lynch. His post where he went "Am I being pocketed" is something that I doubt he makes as scum and he's had.. fairly townie tone early on? I actually can't remember most of his recent posts/stances aside from being parked on Asek, which worries me, but hold his feet to the fire tomorrow and make sure he actively contributes and scumhunts.

Texas and Hawkie are both people who are campaigning for my lynch pretty hard and.. gun to head I'd say that they're both town but blegh. If I had to pick one to be town it'd probably be Hawkie, because Texas and I have worked together before very well and.. I just am very surprised that knowing how well we work together, he'd actively campaign for my lynch and assume that I am 100% lock scum. I'm not really sure about his mindset, but tell me if this makes sense:

Texas and Proph have worked together in Bard's College where we extinguished most of the scumteam together, (ongoing game), and he's seen my town play in the previous rand
Texas tries to sort me early on, assumes I'm scum, then rams the lynch down my throat for Day 1

..Something has to be wrong here, right? Like, Texas knows I'm a strong town player and will deliver. I just find it incredibly bizarre if he's town to just ram the lynch down my throat for Day 1 rather than.. wait until Days 2 and 3, get a more solid base on my alignment, and if we're both town we just destroy the scumteam together. Texas is someone I'd never lynch on Day 1 personally because I know that he is a fairly strong town player and we've worked together before. So I'm wondering, why is he so convinced I'm scum?

Hawkie is just probably town here? Feels very risky of him to just instantly tunnel someone he's never played with as town and then.. just peter out at the end there, and his reconsideration here feels more townie? I don't know. He hasn't been around for the last half of Day I feel. Just don't immediately assume scum when I flip here.
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Asek... exists. He made a couple of big posts and I've interacted with him a little bit, but now his vote is on Empoof and.. I can't recall a single strong stance he's taken that has actively impacted the game. Investigate, look into tomorrow.

DLE might be scum since he's posted very little content and feels fine with just sheeping the main wagons aside from Metal Sonic. Again, look into tomorrow.

MoodyCloud, strongly pressure tomorrow. He's vote parked on my wagon and is comfortable saying that he doesn't have the time/care to actively question others or to be a active contributor in this game. On one hand I'm questioning if he has the self awareness to just admit this but on the other hand I remember thinking to Bard's College and how lackluster he was that game, so. I don't think his approach to me comes from a town mindset.

Hitmonleet I literally just don't know. People say he's town, Texas/MS, so I'm inclined to trust them on that strong meta read.

Yeti is an interesting case. I feel like there are 1-2 wolves that /know/ that my mislynch is going to be a mislynch, so they're going through the day knowing this lynch is probably going to happen, but they're not actively pushing my wagon because they know that the wagon is heavily going to be scrutinizing tomorrow. I think that there's going to be one wolf pushing me and two wolves.. either AFK or they're NOT going to be on my wagon because they will want to avoid the attention that comes with it. Yeti.. feels like she's in that archetype but when I see her posts I can see her scumhunting/having fairly nuanced observations of the game but.. kind of pushing my wagon along without voting me?

Metal Sonic says I'm town but wants to lynch a slanker and he's not actively defending me. I wanted to look through his meta to see if he cared about how he was perceived but I never did, so yeah. Not much I can offer here other than talk to people who are more experienced with reading him than I am.

I think that's everybody aside from Empoof/LW who need to be solved. My "out there" guess for scumteam is like Lurker/Moody/Texas but I think there's someone who is not on my wagon who is probably scum, so.

GLGL, win it for me, best of luck with the game. Not one of my stronger performances but hopefully I've given you guys enough thoughts to chew on.
proph legacy
 

Yeti

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Hawkie - obvtown

MoodyCloud - break town on his few posts think he just doesn’t have much motivation dont think scum would be so open to admitting sheeping like he did to Prophylaxis

Texas Cloverleaf - i get the same vibe as matrix so i’m comfortable with towning him until something changes

Former Hope - very pro town start to the game except that 1 thing i pointed out that niggled me as far as i remember

hashtag all town wagon? maybe

Da Letter El - there isn’t much to say townread texas for not much in his initial post disappeared since then his posts that i’ve noticed have been about the amount of content he has to go over while simultaneously not providing any. ? this slot

Yeti - i really want to say yeti is town this game as matrix towncore was ;_; hoping wishing praying but truth be told i’ve had good vibes from the slot but nothing to concrete me into a read like with Former

Asek - feeling much less of a force from asek this game the iso/analysis wall was a kinna half hearted attempt imo i definitely question this slot and not just for being on hitmonleet their defence to people hasn’t really resonated town to me either. ? this slot

KnightsOfCydonia - i’ve said this before i love knights posting style and it throws me when i try to read them i’m pretty sure i scumread them in matrix for nai facets of their personality but i did defo get pinged by them earlier in the game dint question this slot as much as the others but still do. ? this slot

Lightwolf - made initial post and nothing since i really want him lynched at some point if this continues

Empoof - the only reason he’s not the same as above ^ is because LW is known to do this as scum and i’m not sure Empoof is

Prophylaxis - still feeling he’s scum although his most recent posts have been the towniest it doesn’t explain all the other shit though like the perceived mentality that he’s pushing lynches that are easy / got the most chance of going through like he’s desperate to save himself and remember the downplay of the situation from the beginning the “i’m comfortavle with my lynch etc etc” could be a continuation of that i’m not 100% sure he’s scum as i was earlier but i’m still confident

Hitmonleet - townread for reasons already stated
hawkie SHOULD look bad for tunneling on proph but was nked. see if theres smth in here.

both dead ppl townread FH really hard fwiw.
 
hawkie was tr'ing leet interestingly enough. I feel like if leet was scum, he'd campaign against killing someone TR'ing him

otherwise, the only real links I can see there on the negative side is both people being skeptical of Asek and DLE and wanting to investigated them more today a
 
and...thread dies but I'm not busy right now so may as well continue that thread...

Asek (note, not a vote, just formatting)
Starts by asking people to be hl'd. Then vanishes forever until saying he would do something in 15 hours. Nothing was done after 15 hours.

Okay, first big post. This has been chewed to death by other people and myself. But it bears repeating that nothing in this post really matters. Like, he comments on things, but doesn't express thought anywhere. *Interesting* note though, he has parts of his post

what if theyre both scum? prophlyxais contiually chooses to prefer engaging knights over other players itg in my read from my pov, i think it has s/s potential.
(and a few other parts that got lost because when quoting I lose the part he was responding to but this is good enough) where he pushes for proph, without actually saying outright *why* he thinks proph is scum or really showing any thought other than outright suggesting proph is scum and going from there

then he does a real post #556 which ngl, seems fairly solid. He actually shows thought process here including a reason to vote proph (a recycled reason yeah, but not an awful one) and also does the koc-proph link push again.
vote knights of cydonia
i want something better than 'i dont have reads until later in the game'
Weird. I got the sense until then he had been favoring proph on the lynch but goes after KOC, for pressure I guess? Again, weird.

then more one liners

hey hi im trying to get a better read on you

can you give me a gamestate akin to how i formatted mine to help me in this process thanks
Says this to yeti, who then responds she's already done so. Though interesting that he does this since iirc in his wall post he said he would ISO her? Yet this is hte first time he's interacted with her since doing his intro wall.

Comes around to texas/walrein/proph as scum without explaining why and feels kinda random/low effort
addressing this first because its flat out incorrect and i saw it when i said i was playing runescape. walrein idled last game as scum and didnt sub out or request a sub as far as i know. Walrein has however in the past requested sub (and actually gone to quite extreme lengths to find a good one) when they were idling as town.

what im trying to get at is walrein asking for a sub isnt scum indicative at all and if history shows, is slightly town indicative if anything and im not sure how you come to the conclusion that walrein would feel more likely to replace out as scum when they didnt do so last game despite clearly struggling
but then after SRing walrein's slot....he soft defends that slot here


then he says he wants to talk with moody more and at least up to where I'm reading...doesn't.
Does this still relate to your theory of walrein rollimg scum again or did what leet posted ping you?
Another soft defense of leet...and then turns around and says he made 1 post? Is this actually a (soft) defense? ngl after reading that second part I could see it either way but it is interesting that he has really only defended anyone to any degree, and that's leet twiceish.

anyway theres not much content here to post about and im content sitting on empoof. prophylaxis didnt respond to my last point in our back and forth yday and i have a developing theory on that slot that leads me to hestitate voting there
Keeps ignoring his texas/walrein/proph push in favor of going for an idler
what if i said.... i dont want to lynch prophylaxis.... right now?
Then I would want to know why. ngl I wish people had followed up on this more because he doesn't give any context for this. Like he pushes proph early, then includes proph as part of his solve but then just doesn't want to lynch him?
feels like its the same 5 people posting in this shithole but im insanely weirded out by people wanting to lynch the lw slot for idling over dle and especially empoof
Then posts this and no one brings up the previous quote again

and then spars with KOC a bit but nothing too feisty

ok how the fuck do you come from your conclusions in your first set of posts saying im 'strong town' to in your last set 'still town' to now 'very scummy'
Leet never responds to this as far as I can tell in fact his next response is
Wait, DLE's in the game?

@DaLetterEl cmon dude I didn't even know you were in the game.
which then promps asek to do
vote hitmonleet
...without any apparent reasoning

later says he would like to lynch leet because of a few posts he made (er wait, he actually said that before I think. w/e so maybe he did give a reasoning and kept with it)
ok so you quoted my first set of posts and pulled out 2 things of 'fluff' including me saying a player hadnt posted enough to generate a read (feel free to read moodys posts by that point and tell me if u would have had any read on them) and me admitting i was unsure of a player who has shown historically to be very succesful at emulating town behaviour as scum. i think ur pulling shit out ur ass trying to justify reasons to drop me down into a player u can push. not to mention uve given still a literal 0 reasons for read progression other than 'well durrr... their posts no good'!! (wheres ur 'citations' btw rich of u to ask me for them then ignore it when i tell u) but thats beside the point. whats more concering is how quick u are to come along with consensus in ur reads with no real progresss which uve shown to do in the past historcially as scum because u dont know how to powerwolf, further cementing this in my mind is ur turnaround on prophlyaxis for ??? as the flow of thread is moving away from lynching them
He then says he wants to wagon leet

he then votes proph helping to end the day

Conclusion: Asek's had a lot of picking up something, then dropping it. Like he'll push for something a bit and then drop it when no one else seems to respond. Then pick up something else entirely different. This to me is the same sort of issue I had with yeti last game (not that i'm making a connection between them here, just saying this feels scummy to me) in that it feels like a scum is trying to find issues with people will agree with and push for them.

The *BIG* thing of my interest here, is the growing connection between asek and leet. Like, asek starts up by suspecting walrein a bunch. Then straight up drops that read in favor of empoof and then randomly near EOD picks up a leet push and pushes, but not too hard other than asking if people would join the wagon. Like, that's just so super strange to me and frankly, it comes off as scum buddying, defending one another and then trying to distance later in the day.
 
shit, I misformatted that and lost a bit of the wall

vote hitmonleet
...without any apparent reasoning

later says he would like to lynch leet because of a few posts he made (er wait, he actually said that before I think. w/e so maybe he did give a reasoning and kept with it)

it's at this point I'm suddenly reminded that leet did indeed first TR asek's first wall post until called out on it

ok so you quoted my first set of posts and pulled out 2 things of 'fluff' including me saying a player hadnt posted enough to generate a read (feel free to read moodys posts by that point and tell me if u would have had any read on them) and me admitting i was unsure of a player who has shown historically to be very succesful at emulating town behaviour as scum. i think ur pulling shit out ur ass trying to justify reasons to drop me down into a player u can push. not to mention uve given still a literal 0 reasons for read progression other than 'well durrr... their posts no good'!! (wheres ur 'citations' btw rich of u to ask me for them then ignore it when i tell u) but thats beside the point. whats more concering is how quick u are to come along with consensus in ur reads with no real progresss which uve shown to do in the past historcially as scum because u dont know how to powerwolf, further cementing this in my mind is ur turnaround on prophlyaxis for ??? as the flow of thread is moving away from lynching them
Hmm...not sure what to make of this. He goes after leet a bit here, but maybe I'm skewering my perspective here but this doesn't feel like a genuine post either.

add this somewhere to my wall, I don't think it got saved in the post I posted
 
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