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NOC The Mafia Invitational Redux Game Thread - GAME OVER
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Hitmonleet vs LightWolf
(Walrein has so little there's no point there.) LW's metgapost, #1491, is where LW starts being anti-Hitmonleet. In the same post he strongly calls out Asek for the reason category that kept others calling him out. In #1607 Hitmonleet joins in the Asek vote. In #1624, Hitmonleet calls a paragraph of LW's calling him out as useless - which aside from the post feeling overly much, doesn't sit right with me. At all.
Part of Hitmonleet's response involves calling out LW's idling, which considering LW and the megaposts, feels more like LW was idling not-deliberately, and is trying to make it up now. LW deconstructs/notes/calls out Hitmonleet's earlier Proph vote in #1687 as self-preservation only.
Hitmonleet, #1690: "Since you seem to have an obsession with pidgeonholing me as town, explain this: Why do I, as scum, have all the people who townread me killed in quick succession? That makes absolutely no logical sense, from a scum perspective."
1) OMGUS (just after the quote), 2) WIFOM, 3) Mason hunting
A lot of LW's posts after this are VS Asek; mostly skipping them because this is a Hitmonleet vs LW analysis. But short version is, it's looking good for LightWolf.
Hitmonleet takes a LW megapost and offers a simple "false dichotomy" counterargument with a dash of counter-shade. Later posts also feel like artificial overreaction, which LW calls out.
So, I trust LightWolf, and Vote Hitmonleet
(Walrein has so little there's no point there.) LW's metgapost, #1491, is where LW starts being anti-Hitmonleet. In the same post he strongly calls out Asek for the reason category that kept others calling him out. In #1607 Hitmonleet joins in the Asek vote. In #1624, Hitmonleet calls a paragraph of LW's calling him out as useless - which aside from the post feeling overly much, doesn't sit right with me. At all.
Part of Hitmonleet's response involves calling out LW's idling, which considering LW and the megaposts, feels more like LW was idling not-deliberately, and is trying to make it up now. LW deconstructs/notes/calls out Hitmonleet's earlier Proph vote in #1687 as self-preservation only.
Hitmonleet, #1690: "Since you seem to have an obsession with pidgeonholing me as town, explain this: Why do I, as scum, have all the people who townread me killed in quick succession? That makes absolutely no logical sense, from a scum perspective."
1) OMGUS (just after the quote), 2) WIFOM, 3) Mason hunting
A lot of LW's posts after this are VS Asek; mostly skipping them because this is a Hitmonleet vs LW analysis. But short version is, it's looking good for LightWolf.
Hitmonleet takes a LW megapost and offers a simple "false dichotomy" counterargument with a dash of counter-shade. Later posts also feel like artificial overreaction, which LW calls out.
So, I trust LightWolf, and Vote Hitmonleet
RE: "sudden jump"
> scumread Hitmon early game for lackluster play
> watch Asek vs Leet and start having doubts
> decide to focus on where my TR/null reads are wrong over looking closer at Asek vs Leet
> Asek flips red
> examine Asek vs Leet and see some language on Hitmon's part that indicates a possible scumfight over bussing
> see a 180 between Hitmon's last two posts before Asek's flip.
> get told that a previously unsure read and an incomplete readslist are proof that this scumread is new and suspicious
RE: "noncommital statement"
That post was part of a gambit that didn't work. I tried to crumb Mason towards the end of the day (and previously failed with a wimpy attempt in D1) to draw the nk onto me. Stating the Mason read on you was "wrong", saying "One way or another" (implying the dual usage of the recruit) I'd "give 200%" (two Masons or one Mason and one scum proven) today. Even the song I posted before I went to bed doubled as a crumb, if you bothered to read the lyrics ("You've killed the better part of me").
> scumread Hitmon early game for lackluster play
> watch Asek vs Leet and start having doubts
> decide to focus on where my TR/null reads are wrong over looking closer at Asek vs Leet
> Asek flips red
> examine Asek vs Leet and see some language on Hitmon's part that indicates a possible scumfight over bussing
> see a 180 between Hitmon's last two posts before Asek's flip.
What if we...
Lynch LightWolf then
In all honesty I'd rather lynch him before asek, because LW is a lot better at lying his way out of situations compared to Asek (sorry asek) and I don't want us to spend 5 days before lynching a slot that really should get lynched.
> get told that a previously unsure read and an incomplete readslist are proof that this scumread is new and suspicious
RE: "noncommital statement"
That post was part of a gambit that didn't work. I tried to crumb Mason towards the end of the day (and previously failed with a wimpy attempt in D1) to draw the nk onto me. Stating the Mason read on you was "wrong", saying "One way or another" (implying the dual usage of the recruit) I'd "give 200%" (two Masons or one Mason and one scum proven) today. Even the song I posted before I went to bed doubled as a crumb, if you bothered to read the lyrics ("You've killed the better part of me").
Personally, I'm for it. As long as the actual Mason claims, it's a pretty good scenario for town, no matter what happens (unless they hit scum when they tried the recruit). I'd elaborate, but I'm pretty sure you get how it would turn out.
Also, serious question, now that I've actually had some rest and reflection: Did I offend you somehow? I've felt that a lot of your posts have been including not-so-thinly veiled insults, and I don't know if this is just how you play or if you have a grudge against me. If I have offended you, then I'm sorry for that.
For a quick summary of my rationale:
- You dodging the attempt to get you to talk d2 bugged me a lot, hence wanting to vote you over the other idlers.
- Then your sudden tunneling of me felt (and, tbh, still feels) peculiar and irregular to me.
- Finally, I OMGUSed via logic of "there's no way town is this much of a passive-aggressive jerk".
This is kind of random, and feels odd. It's definitely not pocketing, but it rubs me the wrong way. IMO this post is pushing me to think that if AG flips scum, LW is the last mafia. If he flips town, I'm just gonna drop this game outright from confusion.
I've been trying to think through whether or not they could have gotten a recruit off. I thought if my false softing had succeeded, it could've given the second Mason a chance to use the recruit.
Fair points. I disagree with things taking a whole 180 (I had been voicing a want to lynch LW through most of the day, and I never said instead of asek, only lynching LW first), but your logic makes sense.
Also smh I haven't finished my Walrus (not thay I ever will) don't throw music based clues at me :<
180 probably the wrong word. But you laid out a hyperbolic statement about the thought of someone not flipping red, stated exactly who you wanted to examine after that flip... and then tabled all that to go after a third person? It reads like you don't actually want to follow through with a scumread.
But... that was just me asking LW if they would get in more detail about their thoughts on you after the flip. Furthermore, that entire first post was directed to LW.
I'm afraid I don't exactly see your point.
The point is I'm looking at Asek's association to find his scumbuddies. I think bussing is a possibility and I think your vs. interactions combined with reluctance to commit to Asek's lynch indicate that you and Asek are scumbuddies who fought over bussing.
I find it really weird that AG went from this post to hammering Asek and am fine with starting there vote AG
I'll reread LW/DLE this evening
Asek pushing Leet when it was clear the poe contained Asek/AG/Lw could have been distancing but I am inclined to trust Texas' "100% town trust me guys" read as well as the fact that I share Leet's uneasiness about Knights' lynch pool
What part of the pool has you leery?
You went from the AG/Lw/Asek pool to a AG/Moody/Leet one and I have no idea how Asek's flip can make you go "um that makes Leet way more suspicious, Asek did push him a lot after all !"
I think it's entirely plausible that Asek tried to bus both her buddies. It all comes down to the theory that Asek was dealt a bad hand by having to play with idlers. Asek stopped pushing Empoof once Aura subbed in. Meanwhile, Hitmon keeps johning with Residays.
Sure, it's loaded with oog but it's a theory that makes sense to me.
I was sick most of this week and not able to think properly. I'm basically better now, though.
I think Asek decided to bus Hitmon becuase Hitmon would rather play chat games on Discord than play mafia games here and Hitmon pushed back against that becuase he didn't want to be the bus.
I'd also like this elaborated.
I don't think they were having a rerun of bard's college mafia
There's nothing to elaborate on it means literally what it says
I think there is something to elaborate on when the last public take on it was a Mason tell.
So... because I do stuff that isn't mafia, and I myself admitted feeling burnt out on this game during d2, I'm obviously a lynch.
What?
You do stuff to the general exclusion of mafia. I think Asek might've decided to make lemonade out of lemons by using you as Towncred instead of waiting for you to get active in the game.
Leet was not going to confirm being mason either way despite AG putting him in a situation where he had to confirm or deny it stop bringing masons up
So why do you think Texas was on the mark?
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