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NOC The Mafia Invitational Redux Game Thread - GAME OVER

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LightWolf said:
I DID want to appear to read him positively so scum has no reason to believe I would be still willing to mislynch him. Not didn't.

Also no, how is that slip. Your argument is inane. A slip is a mistake, a fuck up, how in gods name is it a fuck up that I made the claim Hitmon is looking good if Asek flips scum, and then make a big post detailing how that was a setup to increase the chances of mafia killing him to clear up that slot if he is town read as mason by the majority. Where is the slip in that? I literally pushed to EXPLAIN what you claim is the slip before making it.
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MoodyCloud said:
It matters because Lw explains why Asek and Leet are never scum togetherbefore the former flips then proceeds to push Leet after Asek's flip
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MoodyCloud said:
As a counterwagon to AG whom he has acknowledged to be pretty scummy might I add
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Hey, I did not know you were a woman, Miss Representation. The timeline of events is, I claim Asek x Hitmon has a only a single scum-> Asek flips scum -> I make a BIG FUCKING POST EXPLAINING HOW THAT STATEMENT WAS A LIE TO MAKE HITMON MORE LIKELY TO BE SHOT IF HE IS MASON -> I make a push for Hitmon for not having died and seemingly not intending to claim Mason.
See what you are missing? The fact that I did not seriously push Hitmon, until I cleared up everything I could regarding masons and till I made clear why I did what I did Day 3. You can't leave the part out and act like OMG LW LIED, LOOK AT THIS BOLDED PART PROVING IT. That kinda does not work if LW before contradicting himself literally explained he lied Day 3.
 
You're definitely not lock town as far as I am concerned after the bs you pulled yesterday+ you coming into the day making a nonsensical push onto me
If you're town play to your win condition please and thank you
 
MoodyCloud said:
You're definitely not lock town as far as I am concerned after the bs you pulled yesterday+ you coming into the day making a nonsensical push onto me
If you're town play to your win condition please and thank you
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Is this to me? Because I am damn well aware that I got too hung up on Hitnon johning. BUT! I am 1 for 2 and that's a hell of a lot better than my past games.
 
MoodyCloud said:
You're definitely not lock town as far as I am concerned after the bs you pulled yesterday+ you coming into the day making a nonsensical push onto me
If you're town play to your win condition please and thank you
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Hey guys do as he said and listen to me to, please don't push me to ascertain my alignment through back and forths, since that is not playing to your win condition since I'm inquestionably town from my point of view, and anyone questioning me is therefore and idiot.
 
LightWolf said:
Hey, I did not know you were a woman, Miss Representation. The timeline of events is, I claim Asek x Hitmon has a only a single scum-> Asek flips scum -> I make a BIG FUCKING POST EXPLAINING HOW THAT STATEMENT WAS A LIE TO MAKE HITMON MORE LIKELY TO BE SHOT IF HE IS MASON -> I make a push for Hitmon for not having died and seemingly not intending to claim Mason.
See what you are missing? The fact that I did not seriously push Hitmon, until I cleared up everything I could regarding masons and till I made clear why I did what I did Day 3. You can't leave the part out and act like OMG LW LIED, LOOK AT THIS BOLDED PART PROVING IT. That kinda does not work if LW before contradicting himself literally explained he lied Day 3.
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first bolded : What a clever ploy:blobwizard:
second : yes as a coutnerwagon to AG who you said was super scummy
third : I'm sure this is true in some alternate reality
fourth : quote me you admitting having lied about your TvS read day 3
 
LightWolf said:
Ladies and Gentlemen! I present to you Chekov's Gun.

During the end of day 3 I voted Asek, despite having been on mostly Hitmon all day. This was not because Asek was actually lynchable, but because Hitmon was unlynchable. While that may sound off, hear me out first. After the Texas flip everyone, including me, immediately thought of Texas hard defending him, which was first pointed out openly by AG, oddly enough prompted by a post he knew was all made before texas died(but this post isn't about accusing AG so dropping that)

This left me in an awkward position, not only finding both texas and hawkie were dead when I was ready to pressure them, but no one would be willing to vote my biggest suspect because they might be the mason. At that point it became clear I'd not be lynching Hitmon, but that didn't mean he wasn't suspicious, so I went after him and tried to keep him being suspicious active in the mindset of all would he turn out not to be town.

Come asek's flip I began thinking about the possible mason scenarios that could bee happening today, and decided the only case where mason shouldn't claim is if they hit asek, but that only mattered if no mason died that night.

Now where am I getting with this? Simple, WHY is Hitmon still alive? Many were probably like, awww scum killed the other mason, but that mason was Yeti. I went back and read through the first two days of posts between texas and yeti, and there is no meaningful indication they are masons together(I could in retrospect maybe justify texas' general lukewarmness towards yeti being mason motivated, but that in no way felt indicative they may be masons together, especially between the more serious cases one could point out by texas). Therefore it stands to reason Yeti was killed because she was Yeti the generally townread strong player. So why would scum keep the generally also town read considered mason Hitmon alive instead, especially when they have to deal with potential two clears today. Even if they suspect asek was hit by the recruit leading to texas and hitmon both mentioning them, but that is a risk, and a conjecture when we know hitmon can't be mason in that scenario.

So what can be up in this case? Firstly I set up hitmon to take the fall today by purposely killing Yeti instead, hoping hitmon wasn't actually mason so when he doesn't claim it I can get him mislynched. My argument against that is, that for one my entire setup was pointless if hitmon was mason, and again if asek wasn't hit I left open the chance of mason either finding a clear or a scum. In addition it's not lylo and if wrong I am very likely setting myself up to be lynched, sure I can talk my way out of if it,, but if that was my intention it'd be to my benefit to just leave hitmon last and try and lylo him. Point is I can't wait to argue against people accusing me of this.

Second option. Both of us are scum and I am hardbussing hitmon. This is more likely than the first option because it wins us the game.

Thirdly is what I think, Hitmon is scum, and scum hitmon can't kill mason looking hitmon obviously. This assumes him and asek were bussing, and he killed yeti tp try and kill someone who the least people would raise an eyebrow over being killed instead of a clear mason, lucking out and hitting mason anyways.

Final option, he is mason holding out on us, claim dammit so I can put this behind me if you are frigging clean instead of wasting my time all day.

Vote Hitmonleet

BTW after rereading Texas nd Yeti I find it hard to imagine they started out as masons based on day 1, I still believe there is a 3rd mason and wamt them to claim, especially if hitmon
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I probably should have spelled it out more clearly, but yes I p much admit to have held Hitmon as a suspect regardless of the Asek flip, and my intention was to have the night resolve it. Which is why I lower the chances of Hitmon being kept alive to be mislynched by joining the Hitmon is clean club everyone is in using the Asek flip.
 
Between Light already having proven his hardcases are NAI, posting into night (which he would only be doing as scum if both sides got blindsided by a lynch they are now proven to have set up), and providing the references on his stance on Asek for public perusal rather than just saying "uh, he's scum" and trying to cash in on the Towncred later, I think he's Town.

MoodyCloud said:
also what did you even mean by that please clarify
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I'm saying I'm not sure about your alignment. On the one hand, trying to fuck your way through a group of unified Townies who can maximize their hunting by bouncing takes off trusted players is never a good look. But I have also noted you following me onto AG was not a new thing and maybe you don't do it twice as scum.
 
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