NOC Hope+1 Game Thread

[Asek]

hammer isnt needed to lynch, its just in effect. If hammer isnt achieved person with most votes gets lynched at deadline

 

[apricity]

Make that FECKING 6, AM HERE ALREADY, JEEZ

i'm waiting for your catchup

 

[Tommy]

also i will just say that i saw dusk viewing the thread just now, and then he disappeared again

i think it is active lurking

If I was afraid of being seen I'd hide myself, I've given my thoughts already. I've nothing to hide.

 

[apricity]

If I was afraid of being seen I'd hide myself, I've given my thoughts already. I've nothing to hide.

so nothing that's happened in day 2 has affected your reads.

 

[apricity]

I mean the only two people who we know to be town for sure thought you were scum (FH and ms). Add them to the list and it gets just a bit more trustworthy.

also this post slipped my notice before, but fh and ms also scumread caffeineboost lmfao

 

[Tommy]

so nothing that's happened in day 2 has affected your reads.

Most of my posting was about how I think changedwawman is mafia due to his rapid change in attitude, so yes it definitely has affected my reads.

 

[Tommy]

also this post slipped my notice before, but fh and ms also scumread caffeineboost lmfao

Ok? He could be mafia too. Why are you deflecting again?

 

[apricity]

Ok? He could be mafia too. Why are you deflecting again?

what the literal fuck am i deflecting from

Most of my posting was about how I think changedwawman is mafia due to his rapid change in attitude, so yes it definitely has affected my reads.

no, you think changed is scum because we tr each other

 

[apricity]

Most of my posting was about how I think changedwawman is mafia due to his rapid change in attitude, so yes it definitely has affected my reads.

who else have you talked about beside me and changed

 

[Tommy]

I said ms and FH thought you were scum then you said well they thought caffeine was scum. That's deflecting, I'm surprised I'm having to explain that.

And I said clearly that changed is scum because of his change in attitude then suggested reasons why he mightve changed.

 

[apricity]

I really do not see where I was overdefensive, his quote shows me reading someone as scum, which is offensive if anything? His only discussion here is from roughly the first 2 pages. He questions why no one made a read scum on me except apricity when Texas did immediately after I made that post. Seems to me like he didn't bother catching up on the full debate before declaring me scum and apricity town.

As mentioned last day, I still think apricity is scum, only reason I came off that is because metal sonic was acting more suspicious. I am also suspicious of Wawman now, if apricity is scum I am pretty sure so is Wawman just because he defended apricity so strongly without apparently reading the full conversation.

It just seems so suspicious to me that apricity near gets lynched day 1, mafia have 2 days to discuss and then wawmen suddenly after nearly not posting at all becomes one of the most active. Looks like apricity has spurred him on a bit. The fact they are both hard reading town on each other now and going after me (who started the wagon on apricity) could definitely be a coincidence, but wawman's sudden change of playstyle wrings of guilt. Wawman said he was also new I think? He could be easily influenced by an experienced player.

Anyways, I'm going after wawman if we can determine apricity is scum.

Vote Apricity.

control-f attitude=0

control-f apricity=10

lmao

 

[Tommy]

Day 2? No one, I'm really not sure who is scum outside of you two. I would rather push a read I'm confident in than shoot blindly into the dark and pray we get lucky with our lynch.

 

[apricity]

I said ms and FH thought you were scum then you said well they thought caffeine was scum. That's deflecting, I'm surprised I'm having to explain that.

no i don't think you understand what the word deflecting means, but you can go ahead and explain first how you just lied about the reason for which you scumread changed today

 

[Tommy]

Quote: "wawman suddenly after not posting at all becomes one of the most active".

Sorry I paraphrased there earlier, should not have assumed you would be able to understand that the same thing can be said multiple ways. How silly of me.

 

[apricity]

thats activity not attitude?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[apricity]

this isn't me being pedantic this is you CLEARLY LYING ABOUT YOUR FUCKING READS

oml

 

[Tommy]

Attitude towards the game as a whole encompasses activity. That's why a lurking mafia is a strategy.

 

[apricity]

vote dusk

 

[Tommy]

If I do go lads by the way, please don't actually let this guy get away day 3. I beg.

 

[CaffeineBoost]

Skimmed through the thread last night and I just can't see how caffeineboost would be town.
Also I've played about 10 games with flush and it seems that he's town so far

Mind giving reasoning?

vote caffeine boost

Going to take another look when I can but with his interactions with metal Sonic I was pretty sure there was a scum in one of them

This is an interesting thing to claim. If one is town the other is scum. How exactly did you reach that kind of conclusion?

I think we need to clarify who should we assess as scums.

I made my point against Duskfall, but I don't have enough material to point out against CB. I think someone should explain why would we lynch CB today since it got proposed and I just don't have much against him so far.

Also, for reasons I never quite got, Former Hope got quite hated on d1, and got wiped out the night after by mafia. That's obviously a clue on scum's interests. Thanks to anyone who got something to say/clarify on this.


I gave you guys possible pathes you could use to make me change my mind on Duskfall not being the best d2 lynch. Good luck.

That line of text at the end is weird. It implies that Wawmen is actively seeking a reason to change his mind.

I mean the only two people who we know to be town for sure thought you were scum (FH and ms). Add them to the list and it gets just a bit more trustworthy.

Not a fan of this post. It feels like Dusk is using terrible logic to save his ass.

fuck it
enough people have been saying caffeine scum for me to waver
Vote caffeine boost
lot of questions if this flips green so go wild

This is an odd swing. Just going with the wagon... this is not the Jay I remember.

i'm waiting for your catchup

AND YOU WILL FUCKING GET IT, I AM MAKING IT RIGHT NOW, OKAAAAAYYYY?

..For some reason I'm not on this
Lynch Caffeineboost

And for no reason given, you are.

when you make a post like this it sets up suspicion for any pr claim that comes out of ms. could be scum setting up to descredit if ms claimed a pr. if this is what you really think then you shouldn't share this observation until after ms' claim because this post informs the claim instead of letting the claim inform the read.

Noted.

day 1 fh and i both called out fh for being tonally and strategically (as in with his vote) different from last game. his explanation is that he wants to be more forceful in this game and push his reads more.

Here is his day 2 vote.

This doesn't fit into the agenda he described his own play as on day 1. This vote is accompanied by a disclaimer. This isn't trying to get me lynched, this is just putting down a vote and slipping into the background.

So on day 1 fh and i call out cb for playing differently. he ascribes this to trying out a different playstyle. on day 2 it is clear that he is not following the playstyle he described on day 1

I can give several reasons as to why.
1. Have not had time to read the thread
2. Had not found anybody who really deserved to be pressured
3. Look at how my playstyle went Day 1

Anyway, having read everything I have a strongest read... that said, it is 3 hours until deadline and I'm tied with apricity for most fuckin' votes so shifting would be suicide.

Colourless because I cannot be arsed.
READS LIST:
Reading Scum: Toni
Leaning Scum: Duskfall, apricity, Jayflush, Viper
Null: Texas, Whydon* Wawmen, Moody
Leaning Town: Sciatic
Reading Town:
*idk how tf I am supposed to judge Whydon, he doesn't post much but his logic is sound... is this what he normally does?

tl;dr of my reads list

Btw I am interested in this apricity vs moody argument.
Moody moves to neutral, I re-evaluated my initial read on him and see no reason to lean town on him.
Duskfall to scum lean because his reaction to a small accusation was to immediately respond with logic that is a bit shaky
Texas to neutral. I am so unsure on Texas. On one hand he seems to be giving good thoughts, on the other hand they could have been fabricated after somebody pointed out he hasn't been particularly active. It's certainly not the Texas I saw in Greek Mafia
Jayflush to scumlean but this is honestly a super fuckin' weak lean. I don't remember Jay to be the kind of person to vote for somebody because everybody else thought they were scummy. There is a logical reason to do it though. Doesn't feel right though.
Viper to scumlean because WHERE THE FUCK HAS HE BEEN? Only lean because he's pulled this before.
Toni to scumread. He sticks out a bit to me. He jumps into the game with a shady slot and immediately points his finger at the guy who pushed a mislynch, claims it is obvious (tonal, not explicit) then fucks off to the mountains from whence he came.

Now to read apricity vs duskfall wheee

 

[CaffeineBoost]

Unvote: Apricity
Vote: Duskfall

I just read apricity vs duskfall... Dusk is... not responding well... at all...
Definitely feel that Duskfall is scummier than Apricity rn.

 

[vooper]

I am about to go on my return flight home sorry again

 

[apricity]

I am about to go on my return flight home sorry again

3 hours

vote dusk

 

[Tommy]

Not responding well is vague, can I have a bit more clear reasoning?

Unvote: Apricity
Vote: Duskfall

I just read apricity vs duskfall... Dusk is... not responding well... at all...
Definitely feel that Duskfall is scummier than Apricity rn.

 

[Tommy]

Thing is apricity is making up shit, such as how I didn't talk about wawmans attitude towards the game, he's being unreasonable specific for the sake of building a wagon on me. Clearly what I meant surrounded wawman's transition from absent to frequent poster.

Apricity is doing exactly what he did last day in picking out someone he thinks he can build a wagon on a few hours before deadline to get himself in the clear. You can let him do this again if you wish, but it will keep happening and you will lose precious townspeople in the process and lose the game.