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Z-Detect
Z-Detect has become a bit of a controversial element, due to how it raises the user's Evasion stat. While there are other Z-Status moves that increase the user's Evasion, they are much less effective than Z-Detect in that they lack the priority of Detect, nor do they offer their users a free turn of protection from moves targeted against them.
While Z-Detect is a one-time boost that can only be gained through the consumption of the user's Fightinium Z, it has proven itself to be an issue in 1v1 with the fact that it effectively provides all of its users +1 Evasion from the immediate start of the battle all the way to the end of it.
This poll, though it usually wouldn't be necessary for a developed metagame like 1v1, is here to make up for the lack of communication between council and community that resulted in the quickban on Detect prior to this, and to provide users with the option to choose whether the controversial subject should be suspected or outright quickbanned, giving plenty of time for everyone to discuss without distraction.
Z-Evasion
As you may be aware, with the recent Detect controversy, Z-Detect and the other Z-Status moves that boost Evasion have come under the radar of 1v1's Council for a potential ban. The reasoning for this being that Evasion in general is just plain uncompetitive, even if it doesn't specifically violate the Evasion Clause. The main offender for this is Detect, being both a priority Evasion buff with its Z-effect, as well as a free turn of protection from damage. The reasoning why the other moves that boost Evasion with their Z-effects are being included in this move is to maintain consistency with similar bans, namely the ban on all accuracy dropping moves.
The moves that boost Evasion with their Z-Effects are:
Camouflage
Detect
Lucky Chant
Magnet Rise
Flash
Kinesis
Sand Attack
Smokescreen
The moves that lower accuracy have been crossed out, as they have already been banned. This leaves us with Camouflage, Detect, Lucky Chant, and Magnet Rise. Because Camouflage, Lucky Chant, and Magnet Risemostly Magnet Rise all have notably viable use outside of boosting Evasion, an outright ban on the moves would not be feasible. The only alternative that doesn't require changes being made to Showdown is banning the use of each move in tandem with the corresponding Z-Crystal of their type, meaning we would be banning:
Camouflage + Normalium Z
Detect + Fightinium Z
Lucky Chant + Normalium Z
Magnet Rise + Electrium Zrip Magnezone/Klinklang
Due to the council remaining divided on whether or not Z-Evasion should be quickbanned vs suspect tested, we have made this poll to ask the community of players whether Z-Evasion should be Suspect Tested or outright banned. Though it does not affect the result of the poll, your votes will be made visible to others, so be sure to consider that when voting. This poll will be closed 5 days after being posted, so be sure to let your thoughts be heard within that time! Each option only needs a simple majority (51% or higher) of votes to be passed! Feel free to use this thread for discussion on Z-Evasion in the meantime.
edit: None of these moves are being suggested for a ban. If a ban were to go through it would only restrict Pokemon from being validated if and only if their setup consists of either Camouflage AND Normalium Z, Detect AND Fightinium Z, Lucky Chant AND Normalium Z, or Magnet Rise AND Electrium Z. You would still be able to use sets like Lucky Chant Audino, Camouflage Groundium Zygarde, Magnet Rise Ghostium Aegislash, etc. The only Pokemon that would be harmed by this are those that coincidentally happen to use the combination of move and item for non-Evasion boosting purposes, namely Magnet Rise Electrium Magnezone and Klinklang.
As you may be aware, with the recent Detect controversy, Z-Detect and the other Z-Status moves that boost Evasion have come under the radar of 1v1's Council for a potential ban. The reasoning for this being that Evasion in general is just plain uncompetitive, even if it doesn't specifically violate the Evasion Clause. The main offender for this is Detect, being both a priority Evasion buff with its Z-effect, as well as a free turn of protection from damage. The reasoning why the other moves that boost Evasion with their Z-effects are being included in this move is to maintain consistency with similar bans, namely the ban on all accuracy dropping moves.
The moves that boost Evasion with their Z-Effects are:
Camouflage
Detect
Lucky Chant
Magnet Rise
Kinesis
Sand Attack
Smokescreen
The moves that lower accuracy have been crossed out, as they have already been banned. This leaves us with Camouflage, Detect, Lucky Chant, and Magnet Rise. Because Camouflage, Lucky Chant, and Magnet Rise
Camouflage + Normalium Z
Detect + Fightinium Z
Lucky Chant + Normalium Z
Magnet Rise + Electrium Z
Due to the council remaining divided on whether or not Z-Evasion should be quickbanned vs suspect tested, we have made this poll to ask the community of players whether Z-Evasion should be Suspect Tested or outright banned. Though it does not affect the result of the poll, your votes will be made visible to others, so be sure to consider that when voting. This poll will be closed 5 days after being posted, so be sure to let your thoughts be heard within that time! Each option only needs a simple majority (51% or higher) of votes to be passed! Feel free to use this thread for discussion on Z-Evasion in the meantime.
edit: None of these moves are being suggested for a ban. If a ban were to go through it would only restrict Pokemon from being validated if and only if their setup consists of either Camouflage AND Normalium Z, Detect AND Fightinium Z, Lucky Chant AND Normalium Z, or Magnet Rise AND Electrium Z. You would still be able to use sets like Lucky Chant Audino, Camouflage Groundium Zygarde, Magnet Rise Ghostium Aegislash, etc. The only Pokemon that would be harmed by this are those that coincidentally happen to use the combination of move and item for non-Evasion boosting purposes, namely Magnet Rise Electrium Magnezone and Klinklang.
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