Is Baneful Bunker a useful move to put on Toxapex in place of something like Toxic Spikes?
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Yes, it can be used over Toxic Spikes, Toxic, Scald, or Knock Off. Haze and Recover are seen as staples. Toxic and Scald see the next most usage, but Baneful Bunker is great for opposing Mega Medicham and also punishing things like Tornadus-Therian or choice locked Pokemon. It is a very viable option, but it is oftentimes just not the most practical pick compared to the alternatives.
Alright, thanks for the quick answer!
How come kabutops isn't used on rain anymore? It can hit really hard and was viable in last gen's ou.
It is used sporadically, but the other options simply are superior atm. Mega Swampert is fantastic, Kingdra has a better niche, etc. It was never too good in gen6, btw.
Main reason is that Mega Swampert's synergy with Pelipper is too good to pass up, and rain teams generally don't have room for too many physical Swift Swimmers.
Also, what are some non-swiftswimmers that can abuse rain?
Tapu Koko, Tornadus-Therian, Ferrothorn, Greninja-Ash
It depends on what Zygarde it is. Groundium Z variants run 252 Speed EVs with an Adamant Nature. Weakness Policy and Double Dance Zygarde often have enough Speed to outpace Timid Heatran, and Rest sets run 32 Speed EVs with a Careful Nature.
Why is zygarde getting suspected when council multiple times has stated its not even good enough to be s rank? I know gary told us not to ask but i really dont understand why, is it a tour thing?
Did something change with zygarde within last year? I thought its sets were limited to dd, band, sub toxic and the rarer steelium z which have similar counterplay aside from steelium (scizor, clef, tang, bulu) so what happened for it to get suspected now?
Did something change with zygarde within last year? I thought its sets were limited to dd, band, sub toxic and the rarer steelium z which have similar counterplay aside from steelium (scizor, clef, tang, bulu) so what happened for it to get suspected now?
There really isn't as strong a correlation between VR ranking and potential brokenness as a lot of newer users seem to think there is. The reasoning for Zygarde's suspect is stated thoroughly in the OP of the suspect. The reasoning for Zygarde's ranking is stated thoroughly in the VR slate posts. There really shouldn't be anything else on this moving forward.
A lot of things changed and if you don't understand that, then I question your ability to comment seriously on OU related matters. There is nothing about Zygarde that I would describe as "limited" or "having simple counterplay". I think you're genuinely misunderstanding or ignoring parts of its viability and usefulness.
To prevent another incident:
If you have questions on why a Pokemon is being suspected you really should read the OP here - https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sm-ou-suspect-process-round-6-a-thousand-miles.3645049/
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You really should PM a council member if you're unsure about this.
If you have questions on why a Pokemon is being suspected you really should read the OP here - https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sm-ou-suspect-process-round-6-a-thousand-miles.3645049/
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You really should PM a council member if you're unsure about this.
Why isn't there a suspect ladder set up for the duration of the suspect test? I'm pretty sure it happened in the past, and I'm not sure why the council has chosen not to do it this time, especially because of how central Zygarde is to the OU metagame. I'm pretty sure that most people already have their opinion on whether they want Zygarde in or out of OU, but we have no idea how the metagame would look like when he's gone. I'm especially worried that some existing threats are going to become even more threatening (Heatran, Ash-Greninja on the top of my head), and that we would have to resort to even more suspect testing and banning in the future, if we choose to ban Zygarde out of OU.
There are merits to both versions of suspect but most tiers choose to keep the Pokemon legal during the suspect nowadays, so we are simply following suit. The logic behind keeping it is that we don't want to cater entirely to people who have played OU for an extended period of time as we are aware of Zygarde's impact. Instead, we want to give people who haven't participated much in OU a chance to see Zygarde for themselves. This way it prevents newer players from simply laddering for reqs and voting on a Pokemon that they've technically had no real experience with. It allows more people to have an actual opinion. At the end of the day we are suspecting a Pokemon based on its effect on the current meta, and that's exactly what keeping it legal on the ladder aims to do. The negatives to this is that we are unable to see what a meta without Zyg looks like, but a positive is that more people can have an educated vote on the actual Pokemon itself, so the latter is more practical and fair.
How do you increase gxe?
Win, win and win some more
Im looking to ladder for Reqs, but I don't have any good updated OU teams. I've had a look at the sample teams, but am still not sure if they are good in the current meta
You can always go to the RMT's for recent teams. Most will indicate what level they've gotten to either in the title or the post. Pick one you like and maybe playtest it a little before you go for the Reqs.
Finch and I delayed updating the thread because of the upcoming suspect so yea the teams are quite dated. Some of them are still usable however, for example me and another couple ppl got reqs with the xtra ho from the thread pretty easily
Multiple people, including myself, got reqs with the xtrashine HO team that you can find on samples. The team is fairly easy to use and pretty consistent.
Quick noob question, why is Zygarde rather than Thousand Arrows being suspected? Is TA not the source of its set versatility (and viability)? Its exclusive ability Power Construct was banned, why not just ban an exlcusive move too? Thx.
iirc that's a complex ban, and Smogon tries to avoid this as much as possible.
edit: To expand, complex bans would also effect the tiers below OU, i.e. Zygarde-10% won't be able to use Thousand Arrows, even though it's RU.
Is it complex though? A move ban is not "no A+B" it's just "no A" unless I'm not understanding correctly. Is really it any different than UU banning Mewnium?
Just edited my above post. If I'm classifying incorrectly I apologize, but generally speaking banning moves will cause tiers below to ban the move as well, and keeping a move legal in a tier below a tier where it's not legal would be complex.