SS OU Gen 8 rain team

toyetic

Been playing rains since gen 3 b/c swampert is my fave mon of all time (f in the chat for the boy) and I really like barraskewda in this gen and didn't play very much competitive SU so this is my attempt at getting back into it.

Barraskewda @ Leftovers
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Liquidation
- Drill Run
- Poison Jab

Takes the place of Swampert as the main win con and somewhat of a revenge killer. Outspeeds basically everything in rain besides like 2x gyarados (whose broken anyway). Has really good coverage with drill run and close combat and dynamaxing allows him to set his own rain which is nice if pelipper gets yeeted. I don't think he's as strong as mega- swampert but is still a very good sweeper in his own right.

Pelipper @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Bold Nature
- Scald
- U-turn
- Roost
- Hurricane
General pelipper set IDK what more I can say that hasnt already been said. Hurricane b/c it can't learn defog this gen I guess and hurricane in rain is ridiculously strong.

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Stealth Rock
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball
- Leech Seed
Again not much more I can say here pretty generic ferro set. Rocks over spikes b/c of consistency and to stop a sweep getting stopped from sash users. Also without tangrowth is basically a no brainer on any rain team.

Rotom-Wash @ Iapapa Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Thunder
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp

Takes the place of tapu-koko in this gen, Really good against ground obviously and can switch in well against gyarados and basically everything thats not seismatoad against sand teams. Didn't know what to put for the last move since I didn't think that a scarf set would be good with this team so i went with will-o-wisp and an iapapa berry as the item idk how good it is but it's worked out decently in the games I've played. Also thunder in rain is A1

Corviknight @ Leftovers
Ability: Mirror Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpA
Brave Nature
- Hurricane
- U-turn
- Defog
- Iron Head

Corviknight takes the place of tornadus therian and is real strong. Can actually tank alot of hits from things that are super effective against it. Works as a nice defogger and pivot. Also checks clefable real well which can be kind of a pain. IDK if leftovers or heavy duty boots are better as an item as they both have their positives and negatives.

Ditto @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Imposter
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
IVs: 0 Atk
- Transform
Ditto somewhat takes the place of kartana as a revenge sweeper and I think ditto is just really strong rn in the meta. Being able to take out boosted hawlucha, gyarados, and hydreigon and swap in when my opponent dynamaxes is real good. Counters alot of stuff I usually wouldnt be able to and makes my lack of a haze user less important.
 
Idk I was always of the idea that rain teams had to be HO, and you've got a lot of defensive cores in this team in general so maybe it could prove counter productive as your rain isn't meant to last that long to begin with? just a thought
 
Why the hell is hurricane on corviknight
has no place there coming off a 53 base Spa
you'd want something like brave bird
ferro runs physdef now?
 
toyetic said:
Corviknight @ Leftovers
Ability: Mirror Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpA
Brave Nature
- Hurricane
- U-turn
- Defog
- Iron Head

Corviknight takes the place of tornadus therian and is real strong. Can actually tank alot of hits from things that are super effective against it. Works as a nice defogger and pivot. Also checks clefable real well which can be kind of a pain. IDK if leftovers or heavy duty boots are better as an item as they both have their positives and negatives.
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Corviknight isn't necessarily a bad fit for rain, but trying to abuse Hurricane with it is not a good idea when its base Special Attack is an abysmal 53. If you want to use Corviknight, replace Hurricane with Brave Bird. You should also consider fitting Bulk Up and/or Roost somewhere in the set.

Alternatively, if you want to spam Hurricane, you've got a few options.

(in alphabetical order)

Charizard. A Fire-type in the rain is a strange choice, but it got both Hurricane and Weather Ball this gen, so it's not the craziest idea in the world. Moltres and Volcarona both saw use on rain teams back in gen 5, and even in the rain, you can still heavily damage Ferrothorn with Fire attacks. It might be better to use the Gigantimax form if you're worried about taking away the rain.

Butterfree. Tinted Lens means that Hurricane resists don't exist outside of Togedemaru. Quiver Dance is the obvious set, but Specs could work too.

Noctowl. Another Tinted Lens Pokemon. Specs and Nasty Plot are both options.

Mantine. It gets its Water STAB boosted by the rain, and it even has Swift Swim.

Noivern. Boomburst and Draco Meteor don't really seem worth it to me. A Specs set seems the best, with Hurricane, Focus Blast for Steels, Shadow Ball for Aegislash, and U-turn for momentum.

I would also change Barraskewda's item to Life Orb. Leftovers isn't very good on something so frail, and Life Orb helps it get the KOs it needs so it isn't OHKOed in return.

Robot7620 said:
ferro runs physdef now?
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Gyarados is scary, my guy.
 
Agithos said:
Idk I was always of the idea that rain teams had to be HO, and you've got a lot of defensive cores in this team in general so maybe it could prove counter productive as your rain isn't meant to last that long to begin with? just a thought
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No, rain is best as a Bulky offense play style.

And yes, Ferro is fine as physical defense. Has a higher phys base and is a find Gyarados check.
 
adding on whats been said, what does drill run hit on Barraskewda thats making you choose it over other coverage options such as cc, crunch or psychic fangs?
 
DrPumpkinz said:
Corviknight isn't necessarily a bad fit for rain, but trying to abuse Hurricane with it is not a good idea when its base Special Attack is an abysmal 53. If you want to use Corviknight, replace Hurricane with Brave Bird. You should also consider fitting Bulk Up and/or Roost somewhere in the set.

Alternatively, if you want to spam Hurricane, you've got a few options.

(in alphabetical order)

Charizard. A Fire-type in the rain is a strange choice, but it got both Hurricane and Weather Ball this gen, so it's not the craziest idea in the world. Moltres and Volcarona both saw use on rain teams back in gen 5, and even in the rain, you can still heavily damage Ferrothorn with Fire attacks. It might be better to use the Gigantimax form if you're worried about taking away the rain.

Butterfree. Tinted Lens means that Hurricane resists don't exist outside of Togedemaru. Quiver Dance is the obvious set, but Specs could work too.

Noctowl. Another Tinted Lens Pokemon. Specs and Nasty Plot are both options.

Mantine. It gets its Water STAB boosted by the rain, and it even has Swift Swim.

Noivern. Boomburst and Draco Meteor don't really seem worth it to me. A Specs set seems the best, with Hurricane, Focus Blast for Steels, Shadow Ball for Aegislash, and U-turn for momentum.

I would also change Barraskewda's item to Life Orb. Leftovers isn't very good on something so frail, and Life Orb helps it get the KOs it needs so it isn't OHKOed in return.


Gyarados is scary, my guy.
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Butterfree is fairly interesting with rain I might try that out what set do you suggest?
 
BurntSushi said:
Butterfree is fairly interesting with rain I might try that out what set do you suggest?
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I've been trying on and off to come up with good sets for a while, though it's been difficult. Besides the staple Hurricane, as well as Quiver Dance on the non-Specs set, Butterfree doesn't have many options, and a lot of the ones it does have aren't very attractive. U-turn could be maybe be nice on the Specs set, and either set should probably run Bug Buzz specifically for Tyranitar, especially because its sand removes Hurricane's perfect accuracy. But everything else seems to fall flat. Psychic or Shadow Ball seem like they could be good for hitting Toxapex or Aegislash, but are actually weaker than Hurricane. Energy Ball nukes Seismitoad and Gastrodon, but most Seismitoad are offensive at the moment, so they're still nuked by Hurricane. Venoshock could maybe be used to get Special Attack boosts while Dynamaxed, but it's pretty weak and isn't very useful as coverage. And then there's Sleep Powder and Stun Spore, which aren't very reliable without Compound Eyes, and definitely don't fit onto the Specs set.

As I looked deeper while writing that mass of text, I think I've come up with the sets.

Butterfree-Gmax @ Heavy-Duty Boots / Life Orb
Ability: Tinted Lens
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest / Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance
- Hurricane
- Bug Buzz
- Energy Ball

Quiver Dance and Hurricane are the only attacks you'll be using in most matches, with Bug Buzz specifically for Tyranitar and Energy Ball specifically for Gastrodon. I'm not sure if Modest or Timid is better. It's something that would need to be determined after actually giving the set a test run. The item choice is also tough. Hazard immunity is super helpful, but Butterfree also appreciates all the power it can get.

Butterfree-Gmax @ Choice Specs
Ability: Tinted Lens
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hurricane
- Bug Buzz
- Energy Ball
- U-turn / Venoshock

Hurricane, Bug Buzz, and Energy Ball have the same uses as the previous set. U-turn is probably more consistently useful than Venoshock, though Venoshock might have some potential thanks to Dynamaxing temporarily removing the choice lock. I'm confident that Modest is the way to go with this set, though. There's only one important Pokemon that you outspeed by going Timid (Adamant unboosted Gyarados) but you can't actually do much damage to it, so it's not like you're going to stop it from Dragon Dancing in your face.
 
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the pharoah said:
adding on whats been said, what does drill run hit on Barraskewda thats making you choose it over other coverage options such as cc, crunch or psychic fangs?
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sorry for somewhat l8 reply, Since I already have close combat on skewda for bulky steels like ferro and corv the only thing I need to worry abt thats being played in the meta is electric. As for what it hits the main thing is I don't get forced switched out if my opponent decides to manectric or if he is using shift gear toxtricity. I also use poison jab as some extra coverage. Should be noted however is that I've heavily updated this team and I'm now using dracovish along with testing out corsola-galar who check rotom-w pretty well. I may cut drill run later but having the max quake when needed is great. Against a good variety of mons
 
toyetic said:
sorry for somewhat l8 reply, Since I already have close combat on skewda for bulky steels like ferro and corv the only thing I need to worry abt thats being played in the meta is electric. As for what it hits the main thing is I don't get forced switched out if my opponent decides to manectric or if he is using shift gear toxtricity. I also use poison jab as some extra coverage. Should be noted however is that I've heavily updated this team and I'm now using dracovish along with testing out corsola-galar who check rotom-w pretty well. I may cut drill run later but having the max quake when needed is great. Against a good variety of mons
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thing is liquidation does the same damage in most circumstances lol, Toxtricity still dies
 
Corviknight @ Leftovers
Ability: Mirror Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpA
Brave Nature
- Hurricane
- U-turn
- Defog
- Iron Head

Corviknight takes the place of tornadus therian and is real strong. Can actually tank alot of hits from things that are super effective against it. Works as a nice defogger and pivot. Also checks clefable real well which can be kind of a pain. IDK if leftovers or heavy duty boots are better as an item as they both have their positives and negatives.
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I know everyone mentioned corviknight's 53 base SpAtk but I don't think defog is in gen 8 yet, at least not in showdown.
 
DrPumpkinz said:
Corviknight isn't necessarily a bad fit for rain, but trying to abuse Hurricane with it is not a good idea when its base Special Attack is an abysmal 53. If you want to use Corviknight, replace Hurricane with Brave Bird. You should also consider fitting Bulk Up and/or Roost somewhere in the set.

Alternatively, if you want to spam Hurricane, you've got a few options.

(in alphabetical order)

Charizard. A Fire-type in the rain is a strange choice, but it got both Hurricane and Weather Ball this gen, so it's not the craziest idea in the world. Moltres and Volcarona both saw use on rain teams back in gen 5, and even in the rain, you can still heavily damage Ferrothorn with Fire attacks. It might be better to use the Gigantimax form if you're worried about taking away the rain.

Butterfree. Tinted Lens means that Hurricane resists don't exist outside of Togedemaru. Quiver Dance is the obvious set, but Specs could work too.

Noctowl. Another Tinted Lens Pokemon. Specs and Nasty Plot are both options.

Mantine. It gets its Water STAB boosted by the rain, and it even has Swift Swim.

Noivern. Boomburst and Draco Meteor don't really seem worth it to me. A Specs set seems the best, with Hurricane, Focus Blast for Steels, Shadow Ball for Aegislash, and U-turn for momentum.

I would also change Barraskewda's item to Life Orb. Leftovers isn't very good on something so frail, and Life Orb helps it get the KOs it needs so it isn't OHKOed in return.


Gyarados is scary, my guy.
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I think mantine is the better choice in my opinion.
 
Smogon has a good rain team guide, but it's really outdated at this point. I'm working on a rain team, but I come across some counters that aren't talked about in the article such as Zeraora and the Legendary Beasts. What are some good supports that work well with an updated rain team? The article references 'mons such as Scizor, Swampert, and Clefable, however the article is so old it doesn't take into account Megas because, I assume, at the time of writing they didn't exist.

For reference, here is the guide I'm talking about: Rain Offense Guide - Smogon University
 
yusei0162 said:
Smogon has a good rain team guide, but it's really outdated at this point. I'm working on a rain team, but I come across some counters that aren't talked about in the article such as Zeraora and the Legendary Beasts. What are some good supports that work well with an updated rain team? The article references 'mons such as Scizor, Swampert, and Clefable, however the article is so old it doesn't take into account Megas because, I assume, at the time of writing they didn't exist.

For reference, here is the guide I'm talking about: Rain Offense Guide - Smogon University
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Tbh I think that guide was written in gen 4 considering the pokemon talked about in it.
 
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