SPOILERS! Pokemon Sword and Shield Datamine Thread

[pecanbegone]

Is Thunder Cage the highest BP trapping move? 80 BP seems really high, it’s a shame it’s so frail otherwise it would be a good trapper.

Glacial Lance and Astral Barrage are insane but they’ll be used in a tier full of Pressure mons so they might not even be used that often.

Eerie spell would be much better with a higher PP. I think it’ll be better on stall rather than as a stall breaker.

The bird moves are ok I guess? Zap-G is gonna run close combat but the other two might see some use.

Fiery Wrath seems to be just a better Dark Pulse so yeah I think it'll see plenty use lol

 

[The Crusade]

Is Thunder Cage the highest BP trapping move? 80 BP seems really high, it’s a shame it’s so frail otherwise it would be a good trapper.

See Magma Storm.

 

[KingShadowOmega]

Is Thunder Cage the highest BP trapping move? 80 BP seems really high, it’s a shame it’s so frail otherwise it would be a good trapper.

Glacial Lance and Astral Barrage are insane but they’ll be used in a tier full of Pressure mons so they might not even be used that often.

Eerie spell would be much better with a higher PP. I think it’ll be better on stall rather than as a stall breaker.

The bird moves are ok I guess? Zap-G is gonna run close combat but the other two might see some use.

I don't know...90 bp with guaranteed defense drop seems pretty great. Considering CC lowers your bulk, you might want to run TK depending on your team composition.

 

[aaronrules380]

Is Thunder Cage the highest BP trapping move? 80 BP seems really high, it’s a shame it’s so frail otherwise it would be a good trapper.

Glacial Lance and Astral Barrage are insane but they’ll be used in a tier full of Pressure mons so they might not even be used that often.

Eerie spell would be much better with a higher PP. I think it’ll be better on stall rather than as a stall breaker.

The bird moves are ok I guess? Zap-G is gonna run close combat but the other two might see some use.

still weaker than Magma Storm, but much more accurate

 

[Ckarasu]

Fiery Wrath seems to be just a better Dark Pulse so yeah I think it'll see plenty use lol

It's stuck on a special tank that cannot heal. I think it might see use down in RU or NU perhaps.

 

[KingShadowOmega]

It's stuck on a special tank that cannot heal. I think it might see use down in RU or NU perhaps.

Yeah that is sad. Doesn't even have the speed to take advantage of the flinch chance unless it's in a lower tier.

 

[Husk of Corn]

do we know how much the Regi Abilities boost their STABs yet?

 

[CTNC]

Resetting puts you way back at the start of the raid, so you'd have to go and fight everything all over again regardless.

Still, it'd be one less battle for Shiny Hunters if you got to see if they're Shiny before you catch them.

 

[MrHands]

I don't know...90 bp with guaranteed defense drop seems pretty great. Considering CC lowers your bulk, you might want to run TK depending on your team composition.

90 + 135 = 225

But two Close Combats is 240. The first one is also 33% stronger than Thundy Kick and harder to pivot around.

Imo they're both viable. Gapdos has an awful physical movepool lol so I could even see it running something like BB / Thundy Kick / CC / Uturn. I think almost literally its only other physical move is Blaze Kick which hits... Aegislash?

 

[aaronarium]

How do I find the Three Birds? For example, I hear Articuno's cry when I warp to the crown shrine but dont know how to get to it. And I have no clue where to start for Zapdos and Moltres

 

[pkmfan]

RIP Head Smash Aggron for anyone that used it. Now what point is using Rock Head for it?

 

[Mario With Lasers]

Wait Thunderous Kick is Fighting-type?

Why

RIP Head Smash Aggron for anyone that used it. Now what point is using Rock Head for it?

Still an egg move for Aron, bro

 

[PokemonTrainerLui]

Now you all feel my pain! Volcarona was not made overpowered with an obvious move that fits it and so were the Tapus.

Maybe in a few gens from now Tapu Koko will finally get a decent physical fairy move and Bolt Beak.

 

[pieman83]

Wait Thunderous Kick is Fighting-type?

Why

STAB, probably. As for why the birds couldn't lose Flying, well, your guess is as good as mine...

 

[KingShadowOmega]

Wait Thunderous Kick is Fighting-type?

Why

All 3 birds lost their ice/electric/fire typing, but their unique moves have it as flavor. Articuno's unique move can even freeze.

 

[The Crusade]

RIP Head Smash Aggron for anyone that used it. Now what point is using Rock Head for it?

Back in the olden day, before there were smashing heads, we used Double-Edge and liked it.

 

[Tmi489]

RIP Head Smash Aggron for anyone that used it. Now what point is using Rock Head for it?

double edge
(also head smash from transfer, for smogon formats)

 

[dodiabla]

90 + 135 = 225

But two Close Combats is 240. The first one is also 33% stronger than Thundy Kick and harder to pivot around.

Imo they're both viable. Gapdos has an awful physical movepool lol so I could even see it running something like BB / Thundy Kick / CC / Uturn. I think almost literally its only other physical move is Blaze Kick which hits... Aegislash?

If Zap-G got Roost Thundy Kick would be much easier to run on a bulky set. I think most sets might just end up choiced as a late game cleaner or revenge killer, but who knows?

 

[Ckarasu]

90 + 135 = 225

But two Close Combats is 240. The first one is also 33% stronger than Thundy Kick and harder to pivot around.

Imo they're both viable. Gapdos has an awful physical movepool lol so I could even see it running something like BB / Thundy Kick / CC / Uturn. I think almost literally its only other physical move is Blaze Kick which hits... Aegislash?

Awful how? Blaze Kick and Stomping Tantrum would cover what it can't use its STABs to deal with. Fighting/Flying isn't even bad coverage to begin with.

 

[MrHands]

Awful how? Blaze Kick and Stomping Tantrum would cover what it can't use its STABs to deal with. Fighting/Flying isn't even bad coverage to begin with.

I'm trying to think off the top of my head what those hit harder than CC + BB... Aegislash? Is that it?

My point is it covers what it has to with its STABs alone so running CC and Thunder Kick on the same set might be fine. Fill in the last two with BB and Uturn and you're good to go.

 

[aaronarium]

For anyone curious, I just realized that the way to separate and reconnect Calyrex+horse is to use the Reins of Unity on them.

 

[IBM]

Awful how? Blaze Kick and Stomping Tantrum would cover what it can't use its STABs to deal with. Fighting/Flying isn't even bad coverage to begin with.

Ah yes, 2 more moves to hit steel types

 

[Ckarasu]

I'm trying to think off the top of my head what those hit harder than CC + BB... Aegislash? Is that it?

My point is it covers what it has to with its STABs alone so running CC and Thunder Kick on the same set might be fine. Fill in the last two with BB and Uturn and you're good to go.

So it's not awful, as I said. Let's not pretend that G Zapdos isn't at least good. It has what it needs.

 

[spatula]

Any info on the % chance for the secondary effects for these moves? I assume it's 10% but...you never know.

 

[Melons-N-Soda]

Its strange though that Ice horse has a functioning movepool for what it is (SD/CC/STAB/Crunch I guess?) while Ghost horse got a really bad shaft in that department.

I know some people in other threads here believe GF made these Pokemon intentionally bad out of malice or whatever, I don't necessarily believe that and thoroughly believe Hanlon's Razor is in play for some these decisions. Granted with shit like Delibird, Luvdisc, Spinda etc. GF making some Pokemon intentionally bad for no real reason isn't that new of a concept. Or maybe Delibird being bad makes sense compared to Regieleki being bad I dunno.

Ultimately though I'm not defending the really dumb decisions regarding movepools and the like with these new mons.