Okay so with Pheromosa being suspected and discussions about potential suspects, I want to give my full thoughts on the 2 Pokemon that seem to be getting the more attention for the next suspect. Urshifu-S and Magearna. I've already given my thoughts on Spectrier a while ago and everything I said there still applies so that won't be included. Anyway with that said lets go.
So I'm going to start with Urshifu-S first because its much more straightforward than Magearna is in my eyes and that's really only because it performs as a breaker while Magearna performs as a million other things so that will be longer. Anyway, I feel Urshifu-S is ridiculous, I feel it is the best abuser of Future Sight because its already very hard to handle even without Future Sight; it can really only be checked consistently by Fairy-types and Buzzwole and with Future Sight in the picture, they cannot switch into Urshifu. This is in my opinion why Urshifu-S is easily the most problematic user of Future Sight in the metagame and why it should be looked at before Future Sight does. It's a pretty easy Pokemon to support and because of that it makes sure that Urshifu-S is always going to make progress in some way since again, Urshifu-S has a lack of consistent checks and counters and when you pair it with amazing support it becomes even harder to really handle. Slowbro, Slowking, Tapu Koko, and Magearna help make its job of bopping the opposing team much easier. Teams kinda mandate a Dark resist, or multiple checks and counters on a team because any chip damage on its already very limited pool of answers can be disastrous if they are chipped into Urshifu range, and I don't think that is healthy.
So yeah in conclusion, Urshifu-S is very hard to handle consistently even without FS and because of that I would rather have that looked at before FS gets looked at since while I feel FS is problematic, I feel Urshifu-S being so problematic on its own is just enough to have that being looked at first and then we can see how FS affects the metagame.
Alrighty now the bigger one, Magearna. So I feel Magearna is a much harder Pokemon to talk about because of how much it adds to the tier. Its can be a potent breaker, a setup sweeper, an amazing trick room setter, or a defensive pivot. The amount Magearna adds to the metagame both offensively and defensively gives a lot of positives to the tier and this is the exact reason why Magearna is a more conflicting Pokemon to talk about to me. However I don't think Magearna is as problematic as people think despite me thinking its potentially problematic, so I want to talk about why I think Magearna is less problematic than Urshifu-S.
So we all know Magearna's big thing, its incredible versatility. It can do so many things that accounting for it is not that easy. Choice Specs is its best set at the moment since I feel it doesn't really have true counters, because of this I feel Choice Specs is the most consistent set out of its other sets. However I don't even think its broken right now, and the reason why is because there are a quite a few stops to it that are pretty common in the metagame. Toxapex, Blissey, Ferrothorn, Heatran, Glowking are examples of Pokemon that can check it really well defensively and while they are definitely prone to getting Tricked, the loss in power can make it much more manageable to deal with. Even outside of that, using Poison + Ground core makes it so the Magearna user will need to make hard predictions to successfully break past it. Glowking, Toxapex and Amoonguss are viable Pokemon in the metagame and pretty easy to fit onto a team since teams do need a toxic immune, and Ground-types pretty much fit onto teams like a glove because volt blockers are highly recommended, if not mandatory in my eyes in order to not be a punching bag for VoltTurn teams.
Now I can understand why Magearna has so much attention and why its so controversial and its because when you combine all the sets it has, it really doesn't have that much counterplay options. I feel Double Dance + Choice Specs make its pool of checks and counters pretty limited and speaking of Shift Gear, that's a highly potent set. While I do not think its as splashable as Choice Specs I feel its potency is insane because of how many variations it has. Weakness Policy + Shift Gear, Stored Power, Shuca Berry, etc, it just has so many options you can go with that its pretty hard to really account for without losing a Pokemon or even potentially losing the game after it uses Shift Gear. This is the main reason why I feel Magearna is still a potentially problematic Pokemon despite it not being as much of a problematic Pokemon as Urshifu-S is.
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So yeah to recap, Urshifu-S is problematic as heck and Magearna potentially is but its not as much of an issue as Urshifu-S is. Though I want to know your opinions on these 2 guys. Which one of these are more problematic? Do you find Magearna to be more problematic than Urshifu-S or do you find them both equally as suspect/ban worthy as eachother? I would love to know your opinions!