I don't think I'm too hasty at all, actually. Apologies if I misconstrued your arguments.
1. Um, single player accomplishment is still a thing. It has and always will be a thing, a lot of people play the game for the challenge and then some, not just the challenge. People still by and large consider Gen 2 one of the best ever, this thread notwithstanding. Gen 4 is even newer and was popular both when it came out and today. I see no reason to think, thus far, that kids are any exception to these general trends. My kid cousins sure enjoyed Gen 4, they were maybe 13 at most and were crazy Pokemon fans (even playing and liking Gen 2 as well as Gen 3) even before that age. That's anecdotal evidence admittedly but it's still more than anyone else has provided, and I've provided more anecdotal evidence in my last post alone.
2. You might be right on this note, but you're also assuming they still aren't kids. Do you really think all those videos memeing Gen V music are from our generations? I'm not sold - Gen Z, if it differs from our generations in any way, would be MORE likely to pull off memes like this.
3. It's not a true statement if there's no proof for it, and even if there was, you have to prove that the age proportions for those who shiny hunt and the age proportions for those who play Pokemon are significantly different. I have seen no evidence of that, anecdotal or otherwise.
4. I disagree, given that grownup fans are also more DISCERNING (for better or worse) and seek out games. Being more established doesn't mean you'll throw your money at something if you don't know or think it's good, why would older fans throw their limited money at Pokemon XY when they can buy a much better game for the same or even slightly higher price? They've likely played more games too.
The kids meanwhile have to directly depend on their parents, who may or may not actually get them the games lol. Also, the ''less effort spent somewhere else'' is headcanon (never mind the fact that that ''somewhere else'' might not even be a big deal at all for the players), Game Freak can wait longer to release a new game instead of doing it like every year, and if necessary work with more people. Have you not seen pages of people complaining that GF is rushing games out like every year instead of taking the time to actually perfect them instead? That's another complaint I'd support, by the way. Let's stop apologizing for GF's poor marketing.
5. Funny you say this now when you were willing to bust out principles of basic microeconomics in your last reply lol. My point is that according to basic economic concepts, your arguments really don't make sense. I do not buy Fortnite being significant competition for Pokemon. You're putting too much weight into ''single player accomplishment'' when people play games for far more than ''accomplishment'', they do it for fun and recreation too, and the accomplishment can be attained in yet more ways like shiny hunting, Nuzlockes, etc. as we have discussed.
Pokemon is about the journey, not just the battles, though the battles are undeniably a major part of what makes it work. It may be popular on Smogon to get it the other way around I guess, not saying you are, but you may be thinking others are.
Tbh we should do more research rather than simply making excuses for Game Freak and stereotyping an entire age group without evidence. I'm not saying I'm right, I could very well be wrong, I just genuinely doubt it based on my experiences as a kid and knowing other kids and my logic.
1. Um, single player accomplishment is still a thing. It has and always will be a thing, a lot of people play the game for the challenge and then some, not just the challenge. People still by and large consider Gen 2 one of the best ever, this thread notwithstanding. Gen 4 is even newer and was popular both when it came out and today. I see no reason to think, thus far, that kids are any exception to these general trends. My kid cousins sure enjoyed Gen 4, they were maybe 13 at most and were crazy Pokemon fans (even playing and liking Gen 2 as well as Gen 3) even before that age. That's anecdotal evidence admittedly but it's still more than anyone else has provided, and I've provided more anecdotal evidence in my last post alone.
2. You might be right on this note, but you're also assuming they still aren't kids. Do you really think all those videos memeing Gen V music are from our generations? I'm not sold - Gen Z, if it differs from our generations in any way, would be MORE likely to pull off memes like this.
3. It's not a true statement if there's no proof for it, and even if there was, you have to prove that the age proportions for those who shiny hunt and the age proportions for those who play Pokemon are significantly different. I have seen no evidence of that, anecdotal or otherwise.
4. I disagree, given that grownup fans are also more DISCERNING (for better or worse) and seek out games. Being more established doesn't mean you'll throw your money at something if you don't know or think it's good, why would older fans throw their limited money at Pokemon XY when they can buy a much better game for the same or even slightly higher price? They've likely played more games too.
The kids meanwhile have to directly depend on their parents, who may or may not actually get them the games lol. Also, the ''less effort spent somewhere else'' is headcanon (never mind the fact that that ''somewhere else'' might not even be a big deal at all for the players), Game Freak can wait longer to release a new game instead of doing it like every year, and if necessary work with more people. Have you not seen pages of people complaining that GF is rushing games out like every year instead of taking the time to actually perfect them instead? That's another complaint I'd support, by the way. Let's stop apologizing for GF's poor marketing.
5. Funny you say this now when you were willing to bust out principles of basic microeconomics in your last reply lol. My point is that according to basic economic concepts, your arguments really don't make sense. I do not buy Fortnite being significant competition for Pokemon. You're putting too much weight into ''single player accomplishment'' when people play games for far more than ''accomplishment'', they do it for fun and recreation too, and the accomplishment can be attained in yet more ways like shiny hunting, Nuzlockes, etc. as we have discussed.
Pokemon is about the journey, not just the battles, though the battles are undeniably a major part of what makes it work. It may be popular on Smogon to get it the other way around I guess, not saying you are, but you may be thinking others are.
Tbh we should do more research rather than simply making excuses for Game Freak and stereotyping an entire age group without evidence. I'm not saying I'm right, I could very well be wrong, I just genuinely doubt it based on my experiences as a kid and knowing other kids and my logic.
) and grinding levels in that game is very slow. Neither did DP, but starting with Platinum it does! Then XY drops it...but it comes back for later titles. Still, FRLG invented it!
