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13 year old commits suicide thanks to fake Myspace account. Discuss

Killing yourself is usually influenced by depression, not stupidity in most cases. It is often a cry for help. There have been very intelligent people that have killed themselves.


Then cry for help like so: "Help...I am depressed and stupid...help me please anyone!"...also, somebody on page one made a comment about how she had bouts with depression b/c of being overweight or something like that...if you're fat, GO ON A DIET!!!

I think it is a result of stupidity...depression is also a result of stupidity. Everything is cause and effect, and if you are too stupid to figure out a simple cause (ex: how poeple view you--> caused by being fat), then you might deserve to die. Basically, you find cause of namecalling, (we will continue to use fatness b/c its easy) and do something about it (i.e.: Go on a diet...)


People should not be so stupid as to "fall in love" with a person who doesn't exist...it should be pretty obvious by the time you are 12 years old, if you can't see or call the other person ever...THEY MIGHT NOT BE REAL! Its not like it is hard to say "hey what's you number? You love me, so I want to talk to you!" When the response is "no", something might be wrong....de de dee...
 
No, depression is an actual condition, not something brought on by stupidity. In fact, stupid people tend to be happier due to the theory that ignorance is bliss.

They have anti-depressants.. Last time I checked, taking anti-depressants does not make you smarter, which would be the case if depression was simply caused by stupidity.
 
Killing yourself is usually influenced by depression, not stupidity in most cases. It is often a cry for help. There have been very intelligent people that have killed themselves.
Over traumatic life situations. Here's a girl who has never met this guy in her whole life. I mean, people don't kill themselves over falling out with thier best friend. And she was 13, an age when relationships aren't even that serious, and she kills herself over it. And she could have blocked him/her, as well as the other perpetrator, but no. Something tells me this girl had no other friends.

Yes, insults are bad, but there have been worse situations where people have been picked on a and became great because they have the motiviation to prove that they're worth something in life. It should be worse if you're being insulted to your face, not anonymously over the freaking internet.
 
Well, I guess she was pretty stupid, but the point I am now trying to make is that depression and stupidity are two separate things.
 
Well, I guess she was pretty stupid, but the point I am now trying to make is that depression and stupidity are two separate things.
I would understand if she were being actively harassed, being tracked down, beaten up, etc. But I know well the distinction between depression and stupidity and the circumstances of this situation point to stupidity, not depression. From what I gather, the events were quite sudden, and people with depression usually suffer for years before seeking help or committing suicide.
 
Coping skills are a form of intelligence. People who kill themselves generally lack it (by generally I pretty much mean any non-Euthanasia scenario).
 
Coping skills are a form of intelligence. People who kill themselves generally lack it (by generally I pretty much mean any non-Euthanasia scenario).
I wouldn't go as far as saying that, because depression can be genetic to an extent and there have been awful cases and situations where I would find the choice to die perfectly understandable (not only if you're in a vegetative state with no hope of recovery as you have mentioned). But in this case, over something extremely meager, yes.
 
Not all people with depression kill themselves. Like I said, anti-depressants are not anti-stupid pills which means that the two are obviously not connected (but being stupid will make the symptoms worse... probably)

Does anyone on smogon suffer from depression? They would be able to enlighten us on the situation much better than I can.
 
Again, clearly you guys (especially Colin) don't know the law on Intentional Infliction of Mental Suffering. While it's a blurry law, if the intended outcome is irreparable or severe psychological damage (I'd have to say that suicide is irreparable) and that happens as a result of their actions they will be held accountable for the ouctome. It's very simple.

For example, if you tell someone that their husband died in a car accident and they believe you, whether or not you are joking, and say...have a heart attack and suffer severe harm in any way; you are held responsible for the outcome of your "lie". Saying lying is "legal" is debatable. There are many instances in which lying is illegal, and in other instances you are punished for it anyway. If you lie on your resume, you can get fired. If you lie to your parents, they can take your priveledges away.

Sure, you are free to lie; however, you are naive if you think that it isn't punishable.
 
When I only read the first post I didn't think they were accountable for this. But then I read the article and it sounds as if they knew this kid's background and that she was already in depression. I'd say they should be punished in some way if they did this to her knowing her mental state.

And any law that would stop the amount of idiots on the internet is great.
 
I dont agree with the above statement (the quote by Trax). Those people got into this girls head, and played with her emotions. She fell in love with that fake boy, and love can make us all act like idiots.

Naturally she formed a close bond, and when her dream boy started acting like an asshole and told her to gtfo, she would be horribly distraught.

I agree. When you feel like you met "the-one" things can go hay-wire.

It's sad someone had to lose their own life to another mind-player. It makes me sick these kind of people are out there.


i also agree with ClagacyM

CLegacyM said:
Again, clearly you guys (especially Colin) don't know the law on Intentional Infliction of Mental Suffering. While it's a blurry law, if the intended outcome is irreparable or severe psychological damage (I'd have to say that suicide is irreparable) and that happens as a result of their actions they will be held accountable for the ouctome. It's very simple.

For example, if you tell someone that their husband died in a car accident and they believe you, whether or not you are joking, and say...have a heart attack and suffer severe harm in any way; you are held responsible for the outcome of your "lie". Saying lying is "legal" is debatable. There are many instances in which lying is illegal, and in other instances you are punished for it anyway. If you lie on your resume, you can get fired. If you lie to your parents, they can take your priveledges away.

Sure, you are free to lie; however, you are naive if you think that it isn't punishable.
 
Absolutely disgusting. I can't believe a girl would be allowed BY HER FAMILY to play such a cruel prank on a girl they knew all too well was vulnerable. Bastards. The parents need to go to a mental correctional facility ASAP IMO ._.
 
This is why i dont have a Myspace.

1) i would rather be skating

2) alot of my friends say its a good thing I dont have one cause its a pain in the ass to have one.

3) I think its a waste of time.

4) People are fucking crazy!!
 
The mental anguish a lie (or a truth for that matter) like that can and probably cause stress on the body, and depending on the level of stress induced, it can kill someone. Perfectly healthy people have lost someone close to them and have ended up in hospitals from BHS, or "Broken Heart Syndrome."
 
"This world would be a better place without you."
I would hardly consider this situation to be similar to "bullets and guns", unlike what the father currently believes.

And how does the internet react?

Wells posted the Drews' names and address on her blog. "I think there are a lot of reasons people would want to know," she explains. "There's the shaming and accountability side of things. And protection of the community: She could be doing this to other kids."

Overnight, Wells's blog ricocheted through cyberspace, and by morning, an online lynch mob had formed. Already pariahs in their own neighborhood, the Drews reportedly began getting death threats, harassing calls, and ugly e-mails and letters from the global village.
Its pretty disgusting IMO. Oh wow, telling someone to kill themselves online is a big crime, but friggen stalking them through the telephone, publisizing their address and sending death threats is fine?

The true victims are the Drews.

The sheriff's department increased patrols in the neighborhood, and Drew went into hiding with her daughter. The Drews' advertising business was forced to close, and Curt Drew's affiliation with a local realty firm was severed. Their daughter, now 15, has been too shaken to return to school, and Ashley Grills is under psychiatric care after threatening to hurt herself, according to county prosecutor Jack Banas, who decried the "vigilante mentality."
I don't know... but it seems like you seriously have to be in a bad mental state to begin with to fall in love and grow attached to a guy you've never met. Further, boyfriend / girlfriend squabbles are often and many times you don't know what you did wrong. You never know if it was you at fault, if its your friend at fault or whatever, etc. etc.

I'm not discounting that what Drews did was wrong. But what she did was not a crime by any stretch of the imagination. And what has happened to her and her family as the general population of the internet enact revenge on her disgusts me.

I'm sorry. I just find it hard to believe someone can commit suicide from pure words alone. It is clear to me that someone who follows the advise of an anonymous poster of a person she's never met before in her life to kill herself is not in a clear mental state. This story sensationalizes one aspect of her suicide which was only the straw that broke the camel's back. There is a bigger story that we are missing here folks.

When I only read the first post I didn't think they were accountable for this. But then I read the article and it sounds as if they knew this kid's background and that she was already in depression. I'd say they should be punished in some way if they did this to her knowing her mental state.

As if a 13-year old can understand depression and mental states. It was mean, it was not necessary, but a typical person should have easily lived through this. After all, it was not Drew who was accountable... the only one in Megan's room was Megan. Quite literally, it was a suicide, one responsable for the death by very definition was Megan herself.

Did Drew contribute to it? Yes, I will not doubt that. But again, there has to be a bigger picture here and it seems like the parents of Megan should have taken her real psychiatric help. I don't intend to be mean, but I don't follow any of this logic where Megan was the one who killed Drew, even after reading the article.

And any law that would stop the amount of idiots on the internet is great.

If it stops the idiots who are not only cyber-harasing the Drews, but friggen harasing them physically, that would be nice. I doubt it is possible.
 
You are forgetting that this girl wasn't normal. She was a total outcast (or so it seems), and her only friend was this boy. She was probably too trusting only because she wanted somebody, anybody to treat her as a true friend.

Yes, the death threats, and harassment to the family that did this is a bit excessive, but they are responsible for fucking with a girl that they knew was mentally unstable, and they probably deserve it.
 
According to the Washington Post, these people were businessmen. They were not friggen psychologists, and if a psychologist were seeing Megan, it would have been kept secret because of privacy issues.

Please tell me how these people were supposed to know that this girl was in a "depressed" or "mentally stable" state?
 
Well remember Dragontamer she was also just 13 and had no experience of what a romantic relationship was. But yeah you are right, there were more things wrong with this girl than what the Drews did. Lets not play down what the Drews did though, I find extremely silly and childish any parent would get that involved with kids petty squabbles. It was clearly an awful thing to do especially considering she already knew the girl and that her reaction would not be good.

However, no crime has been committed, and if anyone had ruled there was a crime that would've opened a whole can of worms on lying, internet trolling and other things that can't be considered that bad.

I can't help but think if i was the girls father I would also want some sort of punishment for the Drews though, so I can't blame him for starting this hate campaign. But revenge =/= justice.
 
According to the Washington Post, these people were businessmen. They were not friggen psychologists, and if a psychologist were seeing Megan, it would have been kept secret because of privacy issues.

Please tell me how these people were supposed to know that this girl was in a "depressed" or "mentally stable" state?

It is easy to see if someone is very depressed, or is a total loser. They knew her well enough to know how to get into her head. I am sure they also knew that she was a loser in school, and already had some problems.
 
According to the Washington Post, these people were businessmen. They were not friggen psychologists, and if a psychologist were seeing Megan, it would have been kept secret because of privacy issues.

Please tell me how these people were supposed to know that this girl was in a "depressed" or "mentally stable" state?

Excuse me but did you even read the article? Here is an exert:

The Meiers and Drews were once friends and the Drews even took Megan on vacation. They were aware she took medication for depression.
 
agreed
you dont suicide for this shit.
like 1 on a million pranks ends up this way
bad luck.

Pretty much my point of view. True the Drews were nasty and didn't know when to stop, but thing is that most kids have this happen to them, pranks are part of being a teenager. To be driven to suicide, this girl must already have been mentally unstable and as a result would be set off by one little thing, which happened to be this prank. I'm not saying that the Drews aren't to blame, but it's absurd to think that its entirely their fault and that the mental condition of the girl wasn't in the least bit the reason.

EDIT: Didn't realise that they knew that Megan took medication for depression. In that case, the Drews are pretty much dumbfucks for not knowing what could potentially happen.
 
She had low self-esteem, and felt sorry for herself for no reason. I have seen a similar myspace incident in which some chick went to Iraq because of some guy she met on myspace and he was not real either. They are pretty big dumbasses to do such a thing.
 
She had low self-esteem, and felt sorry for herself for no reason.

Have you ever been on anti-depressants? She felt sad about her life and this "guy" seemed to be something good in her life. As she was an immature 13 year old with barely any friends I don't think its fair to shrug off her death as her being a dumbass. Also, see the fact that loads of other people on myspace began making their own bulletins being nasty about Megan, she was being bullied and it pushed her too far. Now I'm pretty certain I could've taken that when I was 13 but then again I had a happy childhood, I wasn't suffering from weight problems, I was never bullied and I always had a few close friends. These things aren't always an individuals fault either, especially not when we are talking about a child.


Stop trying to judge her suicide on your own standards, humans are too complex to feel everything the same way. Again her lack of maturity sure won't have added to her coping mechanisms either, so whoever said she deserved to die because of natural selection is an idiot. As a species we are developed enough to make sure the weaker survive anyway.
 
Depression is a big load of bullshit...I know a lto fo people who have "depression", and all of them are basically...lacking in the intelligence department. Being temporarily sad about a breakup/failing a clas etc is understandable, but this girl being dumb enough to kill herself disgusts me almost as much as the people defending her.

You cannot blame a suicide on ANYBODY! She killed HERSELF!

Basically, she could have avoided this in many ways

1) Not being a moron by having a MySpace

2) Not talking to a person you have never met on MySpace

3) Not "falling in love" with this person you have never talked to or seen and whom may exist only on MySpace.


In summary, she was a moron. And even if it isn't linked to depression, Kira, you cannot deny her stupidity. Also, if anybody wanted to get a picture off the internet, or maybe find out what type of student she was, you may find the real reason she killed herself.

Hell, if I was that stupid, I'd kill myself too!
 
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