Giratina-O isn't Giratina in the past, in fact there's not a sigle Pokédex entry that suggests that (and I say this because of "lore reasons") Giratina-O is weaker or stronger, it's just the form that Giratina changes to when entering the Distortion World. This, I presume, are Dialga and Palkia purest forms, either fused or "recently" (in comparison to what they are in DPPt) created with or by Arceus. An stat revamp makes no sense at all, but to each their own, lol.
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SPOILERS! Pokemon Legends: Arceus *Leak Thread*
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Giratina-O isn't Giratina in the past, in fact there's not a sigle Pokédex entry that suggests that (and I say this because of "lore reasons") Giratina-O is weaker or stronger, it's just the form that Giratina changes to when entering the Distortion World. This, I presume, are Dialga and Palkia purest forms, either fused or "recently" (in comparison to what they are in DPPt) created with or by Arceus. An stat revamp makes no sense at all, but to each their own, lol.
in absolute awe at the size of these lads
These are spectacular, but honestly I've got used to this while playing on Pixelmon and I was wondering when would GF actually bother with it.
I really hope we can get to see minuscule pokemon too!
well i mean Giratina's other form is "Origin". So that's the implication of it being the "true" form as much as these pair of weirdos, even if the dex never really did anything with it and the general context would more imply the opposite.
The website implies you have to choose the "right pokemon" before setting out on a mission so probably not.
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The stat circles are apparently like LGPE candy (in the sense that they boost stats and come in different consumables for higher levels), but with less numbers and they are rocks. 10 levels reminds me of dynamax candy actually.
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That is the one piece I really wish we got with these two, I wanted new abilities. Something to help them feel even more different from their regular forms.
Though as it stands, they are almost straight upgrades to the originals in terms of stat spreads (though the potential of having to forcible hold an item ala the orbs does make them possibly weaker, in which case a new ability is needed). I'm hoping they get a new ability coded in when the HOME update comes out, though this isn't likely.
Personally I'd like to see the Griseous Core introduced to the main series as a new Reveal Glass, and the Griseous Orb can still exist but no longer have the form change tied to it.
I wrote a post a couple pages back covering what preexisting moves boosted by Sheer Force Kleavor is likely to get based on its lore and design.
Lunge and Skitter Smack are confirmed not to be in the game so it's best Bug STAB is going to be X-Scissor or U-Turn, neither of which is boosted by Sheer Force.
Taking a reasonable look at Scyther/Scizor's movepools and extrapolating from there we'd be hoping for it to get (of Sheer Force eligible moves): Rock Slide, Cross Poison, and Bulldoze. Those are the only ones that both strike me as realistic for it to get and it could take advantage of. It's very shallow but I calced it and you don't ever really need to come off of Rock Slide: Band Rock Slide 2HKOs max defensive Skarm, Celesteela, and the entire group of top-tier UU mons outside of the resists. Those 3 moves plus Knock Off, SD, and U-turn is going to be very strong in the mid tiers.
Judging from Scizor's getting Iron head Kleavor should get Head Smash but this isn't boosted by Sheer Force.
If they have to hold items Griesous Orb-style Dialga is decidedly worse than its OG form. It's not really worth giving up your item slot just for a fairly meh SpD buff as it always wants to be Specs or defensive support.
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I'm fucking dead.
It's BEAUTIFUL
THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THE MEME. GAME FREAK BASED
Even more of a reason for different abilities then.
No words. Should've sent a poet.
Nintendo would like to know your location.
Do we have full movesets datamined yet??
Alright. Now that the dust has settled some, I'm turning this into an Enamorus appreciation thread.
I'm stuck marveling at how cohesive she is compared to some other recent additions to the canon: Regidrago and Regieleki.
Bear with me. Think about the OG Hoenn Regi Trio. They have some strict commonalities and a theme they all share: their ability Clear Body, their weakness to Fighting-type damage, and their inorganic solid body compositions, to name a few that are relevant. They also map easily onto the Stone Age, Ice Age, and Iron Age respectively. Regigigas (Sinnoh) bucked all of these characteristics except the Fighting weakness, but he's the trio master. He gets to bend the rules some. He looks like he's made of ceramic, another golem-worthy solid, and he also has jewels that invoke the colors of his progeny and bolster their connection as creator and creation. He complements the Hoenn three.
Regidrago and Regieleki are just wrong. They're cool, but there is something seriously wrong about them. They don't share an ability with the others. They're not weak to Fighting. They're made of asspull materials like "dragon energy" or bioelectric organs. They're not represented in their creator's design, nor do they map onto any popular ages unless we reach for the Digital Age or the Dinosaur Age. Also, their names are gibberish against the raw simplicity of the others. It would have been so easy to design a Dark-type titan, give it Clear Body, call it Regidark, and say the Dark Ages are the missing piece of the puzzle. With all the strong themes they had going, the last member of the squad could have written itself. Instead we got these bizarre energy beings shoehorned into the family just by virtue of having the telltale seven eyes.
Enamorus is everything those two aren't. She is the "Regidark" of the cloud genies. She feels less like a slapdash addition to the trio and more like the missing piece that was there all along. It's well contended that their Therian forms are the Chinese cardinal symbols, but they've always been missing a tortoise. Likewise, one might speculate they are connected to the seasons or the Four Winds, but again... it never quite worked because there were only three of them. Until now. Enamorus completes the cloud genies. She is the fourth season, the fourth wind, and the missing tortoise all at once. She stays consistent with their motifs (except for the cheeky swap from Prankster to Healer), sports a devilishly clever name to boot, and arrives with fresh signature moves for all of them. The "force of love" concept is admittedly stupid, but I think there's enough else going on to excuse it.
It's shocking. It's inconceivable. It works. Those mustached palette swap screwballs from BW, who began their long redemption arc with the Dream Radar in B2W2, are now some of the coolest and most coherent Pokémon families in the whole freaking series. Like a hurricane, they've overtaken the Regis and a dozen other Legendaries in my estimation. They beat the odds. They saved themselves and vindicated a whole generation.
Thank you, genies of healthy meta. Also, thank Riddler Khu for making this leak cycle so... fun.
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I'm stuck marveling at how cohesive she is compared to some other recent additions to the canon: Regidrago and Regieleki.
Bear with me. Think about the OG Hoenn Regi Trio. They have some strict commonalities and a theme they all share: their ability Clear Body, their weakness to Fighting-type damage, and their inorganic solid body compositions, to name a few that are relevant. They also map easily onto the Stone Age, Ice Age, and Iron Age respectively. Regigigas (Sinnoh) bucked all of these characteristics except the Fighting weakness, but he's the trio master. He gets to bend the rules some. He looks like he's made of ceramic, another golem-worthy solid, and he also has jewels that invoke the colors of his progeny and bolster their connection as creator and creation. He complements the Hoenn three.
Regidrago and Regieleki are just wrong. They're cool, but there is something seriously wrong about them. They don't share an ability with the others. They're not weak to Fighting. They're made of asspull materials like "dragon energy" or bioelectric organs. They're not represented in their creator's design, nor do they map onto any popular ages unless we reach for the Digital Age or the Dinosaur Age. Also, their names are gibberish against the raw simplicity of the others. It would have been so easy to design a Dark-type titan, give it Clear Body, call it Regidark, and say the Dark Ages are the missing piece of the puzzle. With all the strong themes they had going, the last member of the squad could have written itself. Instead we got these bizarre energy beings shoehorned into the family just by virtue of having the telltale seven eyes.
Enamorus is everything those two aren't. She is the "Regidark" of the cloud genies. She feels less like a slapdash addition to the trio and more like the missing piece that was there all along. It's well contended that their Therian forms are the Chinese cardinal symbols, but they've always been missing a tortoise. Likewise, one might speculate they are connected to the seasons or the Four Winds, but again... it never quite worked because there were only three of them. Until now. Enamorus completes the cloud genies. She is the fourth season, the fourth wind, and the missing tortoise all at once. She stays consistent with their motifs (except for the cheeky swap from Prankster to Healer), sports a devilishly clever name to boot, and arrives with fresh signature moves for all of them. The "force of love" concept is admittedly stupid, but I think there's enough else going on to excuse it.
It's shocking. It's inconceivable. It works. Those mustached palette swap screwballs from BW, who began their long redemption arc with the Dream Radar in B2W2, are now some of the coolest and most coherent Pokémon families in the whole freaking series. Like a hurricane, they've overtaken the Regis and a dozen other Legendaries in my estimation. They beat the odds. They saved themselves and vindicated a whole generation.
Thank you, genies of healthy meta. Also, thank Riddler Khu for making this leak cycle so... fun.
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I checked again and also cross-referenced Armaldo's movepool. it'll definitely get the Sheer Force boosted Cross Poison (Scizor learns it but doesn't run it), Superpower if still a tutor move (not boosted by Sheer Force), and likely EQ, which also isn't boosted. In all likelihood it'll retain U-Turn and Knock Off.
It's love if you read it literally/pay too much attention to the design but really it's more of an alternate reading of fertility according to the lore.
I don't think you even need the "except". While rowdy boys Tornadus and Thundurus both have Prankster and Defiant, Landorus has Sand Force and Sheer Force.
Enamorus rules.
No offense but thank god you don't work for Game Freak.
This is no worse than having a golem made from "dragon energy," lol. Or did you forget the first three are literally Regirock, Registeel, and Regice?
Dragon energy is well-stablished in the series already. We have Dragon Pulse, Dragon Breath and Draco Meteor.
I still feel like Dragons as a stand-in for the Dark Ages makes sense.