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Pokemon Scarlet & Violet - 18th Nov 2022! **OFFICIAL INFO ONLY**
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How will this work with Zoroark? Will it look like you're Terastallizing the Pokemon you're disguised as or would it break the Illusion? What if Zoroark comes in after either they or the Pokemmon they're disguised as Terastallized?
Someone else already called it because of the anti-cheat problems Shedinja was causing with BDSP and Home, but the idea of Tera Electric Balloon Shedinja pretty much confirms they're not going to be in Gen 9... :(
Unless you're planning on OHKOing with Sunny Day, *Fighting Type. Magnezone is going to demolish everything with Body Press!
Free Adaptability boost at the expense of dropping one of your STABs.
It seems like they can have any typing as a Tera Type, but some will likely be a lot more rare than others. To quote the website: "There are 18 types, meaning there are countless combinations of Pokémon and Tera Types." Granted, if most types are rare appearances outside of Raids then it's effectively a personalized set of types barring some way to change them.
Nah, You're changing to a single typing but if you're already the typing you get a free Adaptability boost.
Yeah, I am disappointed as well. However, on the plus side, the in-battle flexibility of the way this mechanic works will still make it pretty fun to use when playing PvP battles... hypothetically anyways. I mentioned Hydreigon earlier, however another Pokemon that could hypothetically use this mechanic well is Weavile. Now Weavile is a pretty busted offensive threat, but there are situations where it can't OHKO everything and its high number of weaknesses make it easy to OHKO. In a matchup vs something like Conkedurr, it will be OHKO'd before its even able to move w/ Mach Punch. However, busting out the Tera Ghost-type would let it block Conkeldurr's Mach Punch & Facade and effectively get a few free hits on Conkedurr. However, the drawback is that now its Ice and Dark STAB won't be as powerful.
That being said, super charging STABs will probably be the go-to for most mons.
Supposedly there is a move that will turn into a Pokemon's Tera-type, which is why I mentioned Fire Zone. However Body Press Zone would also be pretty great (maybe better actually against stuff like Heatran).
One potential answer to the Tera-with-no-STAB problem, which does seem like something GF would want to avoid*, would be adding a TM move like:
Tera Beam, 100 Acc, 80 BP, 10 PP, Normal, when used by a Terarized mon, type matches their Tera type. Yes, that opens the Hidden Power can of worms, but I think requiring the Tera use for the battle would make GF consider it. The only other option I see is making the Tera encounters have their first moveslot replaced by a random move from their breeding movepool, and then setting the type off of that. Which might work, but would make certain combinations incredibly rare but not impossible, and GF seems to be going away from that.
*Could you imagine finding a Tera Water Shiny Gardevoir? Or the 10 year old kid that's GF's target audience finding one? They def want to avoid that
Other thoughts:
I hate that they're cutting back on customization. I've been vocal about this before, I will continue to be so. Give us more options to make our avatar look how we want it to, not fewer.
I didn't expect the Legends to be the ride pokes from the beginning. I still expect we'll have to discover the alternate movement modes over time(maybe the legend starts out injured/weak, which is why it travels with us and doesn't battle?), since locking the E4 behind the ability to climb waterfalls is a time-honored tradition.
3 storylines: Gym challenge, Evil team, Heal the legendary. That's my guess. If it's not one of those, Contests IX would make sense, but I doubt they give it that much focus.
On that note, they're claiming full open world, on a level between Mass Effect or Skyrim. I'm not expecting nearly that level of content, but "can actually travel anywhere in any order**" is far beyond what I expected when we started. I hope they pull it off.
Levelling will be interesting with that. Scaling gym leaders is easy to justify, and there's only 8 teams to remake. Scaling random trainers and/or wilds is harder to justify in-story and a lot more work. I have concerns.
The cast of characters is starting to feel very large. Again, I'm iffy on this. They're usually best-off with a narrow character focus, not building a dating sim.
It seems like multiplayer is optional. Hopefully not required even for raid battles? SwSh making multiplayer mandatory for raids past a certain point was just annoying.
**Except Victory Road, Evil Team final base, and similar plot-locked final areas
Tera Beam, 100 Acc, 80 BP, 10 PP, Normal, when used by a Terarized mon, type matches their Tera type. Yes, that opens the Hidden Power can of worms, but I think requiring the Tera use for the battle would make GF consider it. The only other option I see is making the Tera encounters have their first moveslot replaced by a random move from their breeding movepool, and then setting the type off of that. Which might work, but would make certain combinations incredibly rare but not impossible, and GF seems to be going away from that.
*Could you imagine finding a Tera Water Shiny Gardevoir? Or the 10 year old kid that's GF's target audience finding one? They def want to avoid that
Other thoughts:
I hate that they're cutting back on customization. I've been vocal about this before, I will continue to be so. Give us more options to make our avatar look how we want it to, not fewer.
I didn't expect the Legends to be the ride pokes from the beginning. I still expect we'll have to discover the alternate movement modes over time(maybe the legend starts out injured/weak, which is why it travels with us and doesn't battle?), since locking the E4 behind the ability to climb waterfalls is a time-honored tradition.
3 storylines: Gym challenge, Evil team, Heal the legendary. That's my guess. If it's not one of those, Contests IX would make sense, but I doubt they give it that much focus.
On that note, they're claiming full open world, on a level between Mass Effect or Skyrim. I'm not expecting nearly that level of content, but "can actually travel anywhere in any order**" is far beyond what I expected when we started. I hope they pull it off.
Levelling will be interesting with that. Scaling gym leaders is easy to justify, and there's only 8 teams to remake. Scaling random trainers and/or wilds is harder to justify in-story and a lot more work. I have concerns.
The cast of characters is starting to feel very large. Again, I'm iffy on this. They're usually best-off with a narrow character focus, not building a dating sim.
It seems like multiplayer is optional. Hopefully not required even for raid battles? SwSh making multiplayer mandatory for raids past a certain point was just annoying.
**Except Victory Road, Evil Team final base, and similar plot-locked final areas
Also: Shout-out to Pachirisu being, unironically, the best Redirector currently in the Paldea dex. It helps its case that the only competition is Jumpluff (Better Defenses than Pachi and a neat utility movepool that includes Strength Sap but a worse typing and 0 offensive pressure/ability to set up KOs) and Venomoth (Better defensive typing than Jumpluff but worse defenses than Pachi and kinda meh utility/damage-wise) with Lucario (who would prefer attacking I'm sure) being a maybe depending on Egg Move availability.
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The question is will it be like Morepeko's Signature move and base its typing off the 'mon's Primary Type (which could be rather dope depending on its Power) or be a set type and change based on the Tera-type after it transforms? (Which could be neat if physical, normal, and can replace Return)
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Something like Oricorio's Revelation Dance? Hmm... Oricorio's four different type forms gimmick just got interesting for an reason unrelated to the gimmick. Their stats suck, but being able to change into a completely different Type out of nowhere and always have a 90 Power STAB is interesting. I hope Oricorio makes the Dex because it sounds like something fun to mess around with in game if they learn Revelation Dance before Level 40.
I think a very likely case for having access to a certain tera type is being able to learn a move of that type. Z-moves and Max moves were both anchored down by this concept, so it's got some precedent. I think there's a chance they let us just go totally wild and let us use anything, but I'm not expecting it.
And if this is how it works...
My Ferrothorn using Stealth Rock to Terastallize into a Rock-Type to blast back an opposing Charizard:
I wanted to go "but Gardevoir doesn't learn any water type move yet it can water type tera", so i checked its moveset, and well, it does indeed learn Life Dew and Rain Dance Woweeeeeee
Edit: what I wanted to get at is, even though I doubt they'll let us go "totally wild", many pokemon actually learn random low bp or status moves that are of types you don't expect
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The website mentions Flying Tera Type Eevee and neither it nor any of its evos learn any flying type moves.
10^21 = Zetta. Z-moves, Zetta-moves, it almost fits perfectly.
Steel may be nice with its tons of resistances, but it also has some common weaknesses. Electric, or Fairy are unconventional picks that also require a bit of specialization to break through. There's a reason why we haven't seen super-bulky Pokémon of those types yet. Electric has only one weakness (although arguably to the best move in the game), while the two weaknesses of Fairy are horribad offensive types for every other purpose and not likely to be carried around by random opponents.
Bronzong and Claydol in particular could be really annoying if allowed to Terastalize into Electric-types.
It has a special event move (Fly) specifically for that.
Incidentally it's also the first time they have a event exclusive move since early gen 7.. unless Pikachu will just learn Fly normally in same way they added Surf to its learnset in gen 8
If it boosts STAB to x2, that means it's using a fixated modifier, so no x1.5x1.5. That makes me wonders how much will it boost Pokémon that already have the Adaptability ability. Because it starts at x2 instead of x1.5, would it be fixed at x3?
I really want to do a deep dive on the mechanic, find some interesting combos, discuss whether Electric Shedinja wants Air Balloon or an item that blocks some variety of indirect damage. But it just feels so pointless without knowing that those mons will actually exist alongside the mechanic. It's not like I'm going to use anything in Natdex formats on Showdown either, given I got no enjoyment out of playing them in gen 8.
Then they don't need do create a new move, just reintroduce Hidden Power revamped to match Tera-type instead of IVs, and to deal damage based on highest attack.
Flying type eevee, not Pikachu
That could be really good especially giving back the old physical hidden powers
As for the mechanic beeing "everything monotype"... Meh.
This only values stronger types. Literally nobody wants a bug/ice/poison/normal Tera unless for very niche reasons.
Unless there is an upcomming type balance, which I doubt.
By far, the most looked ones will be the Fairy/Steel/Ghost Teras, and I bet those will be the hardest ones to have. Maybe they'll be even raid-exclusive Tera-types.
This only values stronger types. Literally nobody wants a bug/ice/poison/normal Tera unless for very niche reasons.
Unless there is an upcomming type balance, which I doubt.
By far, the most looked ones will be the Fairy/Steel/Ghost Teras, and I bet those will be the hardest ones to have. Maybe they'll be even raid-exclusive Tera-types.
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Yeah I realized that over the 10 pages of discussion. I overstated its defensive utility.
I’m on board with the idea that if you roll a rare Tera in a raid it gets a move of that type it wouldn’t normally be able to learn, ideally closer in power to Water Pulse or Aurora Beam than Surf or Ice Beam so that everything doesn’t get broken coverage.
From how they're presented I think all tera types beyond your innate one are like that
ooops i'm dumb.
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...That said, to be fair, I do actually think it'll just be all 18 types regardless. The way the description is worded on the site points to "unlimited possibilities"
I would assume that while probably the ones that appear in the wild will be pseudo randomized like dens in SwSh, we'll definitely get a way to "pilot" it like Gmax soup in the first DLC (assuming DLCs happen which i believe will)
I do however consider this a possibility as well.
To be fair we know very little about it still, other than the effect type.
The way it'll shape the metagames, heh, difficult to tell. Mechanics that affect everyone always end up being "win more" scenarios where they make already good pokemons better, but you never know, certain outliers may be strong enough that the Tera carries them even if it means you have to commit it to them (kinda like say, MegaBeedrill, or Giga Coalassal)
This is definitely more important in VGC / BSS than in smogon formats though, as "bring 6 but pick 3/4" means you aren't forced to commit the mechanic to them, and can opt to bring or not bring them on per-game basis.
From the wording, it seems regular pokemon are only capable of "normal tera" (aka, just stab boost), and the ones with "special tera" are the ones available in the raid battles / obtained via events.
So regular pokemon won't change types, just get an extra stab?
This is just better than the raid ones lol
I think a lot of the impact on the metagame will also depend on whether it actually requires a held item or not (so far it looks like it doesn't, it just mentions a Tera Orb which seems more akin to a trainer item like the z-ring or whatever) and thus requires you to dedicate a slot to that mechanic (like megas) or not, or at least a lot less (like dynamax)
You might have a few 'dedicated' tera mons that basically don't function outside of their tera formes (ie: you get a steel salamence with intimidate roost defog, actually seems like a rly good defensive profile tbh, but absolutely needs the steel type) but I'm expecting most mons to actually use tera based on the matchup and which mon you'd choose to transform would depend on the situation. So yeah, sure, you might have a Tera-Fighting magnezone in your team, but if all you're trapping are steel birds and not ferrothorns, you might as well just stay electric and click thunderbolt. On the other hand in the next game you might want to go fighting to not get KO'd by ferrothorn's body press while doing more damage yourself. An even more based scenario would be that ferrothorn is not in the game
You might have a few 'dedicated' tera mons that basically don't function outside of their tera formes (ie: you get a steel salamence with intimidate roost defog, actually seems like a rly good defensive profile tbh, but absolutely needs the steel type) but I'm expecting most mons to actually use tera based on the matchup and which mon you'd choose to transform would depend on the situation. So yeah, sure, you might have a Tera-Fighting magnezone in your team, but if all you're trapping are steel birds and not ferrothorns, you might as well just stay electric and click thunderbolt. On the other hand in the next game you might want to go fighting to not get KO'd by ferrothorn's body press while doing more damage yourself. An even more based scenario would be that ferrothorn is not in the game
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