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Super Smash Bros. Brawl Discussion #2 (spoilers)

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HotGarbage said:
GAH. Looks like I was wrong about clones.... I gotta stop getting info from gamefaqs >___>.

But really now, I'm disappointed that clones are in Brawl. Making a classic villain like Ganondorf into a mere unoriginal rehash of Captain Falcon isn't right.
Sakurai and co hit the nail on the head with game modes; they really did. But they seem oblivious to what the customers want as far as characters go. They really just did their own thing :/ . Hopefully the team behind SSB4 will be a bit more in touch.
That said the roster doesn't really bother me anymore, as this game is going to be unbelievable..... it just could have been better if Sakurai and co had payed more attention to their customer's desires.
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Falcon and Ganondorf were pretty much the UN-cloniest versions of each other. Their B-Moves were only similar in aesthetics, and most of their A set was completely different in power and duration. Their speed, weight, and power were completely different. You might as well call Samus and Falcon clones because their tilt A was the same.
 
Star Wolf in the game?

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Lucario's FS is amazing, but what move do you think it is? Also I was thinking about what Jigglypuff's FS would be and the only thing I came up with was Hyper Voice. What do you all think? Any suggestions on her FS?
 
Aquirri said:
Lucario's FS is amazing, but what move do you think it is? Also I was thinking about what Jigglypuff's FS would be and the only thing I came up with was Hyper Voice. What do you all think? Any suggestions on her FS?
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Puts everyone to sleep and writes on their face?
 
I guess we could call Jigglys FS Uber Rest? I mean if she gets that big, everything dies if you use it. Lucario's could just be Hyper beam, like the Deoxys pokeball.
 
Aquirri said:
Lucario's FS is amazing, but what move do you think it is? Also I was thinking about what Jigglypuff's FS would be and the only thing I came up with was Hyper Voice. What do you all think? Any suggestions on her FS?
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Lol, i agree Aquirri! Lucario's FS is very powerful and useable at anytime. He's one of those non setup super moves.
 
Gigalypuff am I right?

Also Lucario looks insanely fast but kind of floaty and a broken Final Smash.
 
The computer I'm currently using is so slow that I can't even watch any of these YouTube videos until tomorrow.

Good to see my Falco, my main in Melee, is back...I'm most excited about PT, Lucario, and surprisingly, Pit.

I hope one of Lucario's alternate costumes is its shiny form.
 
I think jiggy is using minimize, but that's just speculation. I wonder what it is called?

I really want confirmation on that last character though, but wolf is fine with me. Starting to get impatient waiting for brawl.
 
HotGarbage said:
Word on the street is that there are no clones! :DDDD .....though I'm not really sure what that exactly means (people may have different definition on what a clone is).
If true I'm really excited about that, as it really adds to the "new character list"


......Nintendo really did shoot themselves in the foot by adding clones to Melee though. They had to put all the effort into creating (de-cloning) a new character, but few people recognize them as new.
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Sadly, that is BS. :\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOserFbxaCc

Toon Link seems to be a lighter / small / quicker Link. All the exact same moves and everything! No Skull Hammer, no leaf floating thing NO NOTHING ORIGINAL.

Ganondorf has no sword. He probably is a clone again. :\

Falco and Ness have the exact same FSes as there brethren Fox / Lucas. Unless Falco actually does dual-wield the blasters like in that one screen shot... He's probably a clone (At least in smash attacks). Same goes with Ness, I've heard he is basically unchanged from Melee.

Sakurai, with all the effort he has put into the game has flopped, really. Come on, clones? With 700+ workers, and 2 delays since whenever, I'd thought you'd be able to do better. :\ I am disappointed in Sakurai for giving us clones again.

Ugh. The roster I can live with, but CLONES?!
 
Sakurai, with all the effort he has put into the game has flopped, really.
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How the fuck can you say the game has flopped, lol. Have you been watching the same videos everyone else has?

Oh wow, there's a couple maybe clones. It's not the end of the world. It doesn't turn a good game into a flop.
 
Wishy said:
Sadly, that is BS. :\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOserFbxaCc

Toon Link seems to be a lighter / small / quicker Link. All the exact same moves and everything! No Skull Hammer, no leaf floating thing NO NOTHING ORIGINAL.

Ganondorf has no sword. He probably is a clone again. :\

Falco and Ness have the exact same FSes as there brethren Fox / Lucas. Unless Falco actually does dual-wield the blasters like in that one screen shot... He's probably a clone (At least in smash attacks). Same goes with Ness, I've heard he is basically unchanged from Melee.

Sakurai, with all the effort he has put into the game has flopped, really. Come on, clones? With 700+ workers, and 2 delays since whenever, I'd thought you'd be able to do better. :\ I am disappointed in Sakurai for giving us clones again.

Ugh. The roster I can live with, but CLONES?!
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Falco's reflector is different. He seems to throw it forward instead, like a projectile. It could be his old reflector, or it could be his new -> B move. Fire Bird makes a comeback though via one of Firestorm's videos, and there's still a chance he dual wields the pistols with regular B. Falco Phantasm I'm not sure of. They might've kept it, ditched it for Falco throwing the reflector, or a totally new -> B altogether.

Overall though, he still pretty much Fox with a few differences =/.
 
i wasn't i'm still looking foward to it the same as the day it was announced D: you people need to stop expecting so god damn much
 
I can live without Ridley... so... I missed the giant leaks until now, could someone try to compile everything into one gigantic list?
 
Surgo said:
How the fuck can you say the game has flopped, lol. Have you been watching the same videos everyone else has?

Oh wow, there's a couple maybe clones. It's not the end of the world. It doesn't turn a good game into a flop.
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I didn't say the game was flop, I said Sakurai flopped. At least with a few characters. He had enough time, he had the resources, he had the team. :|

I guess I expected way too much.
 
K so Wishy is biased against clones. It's not like it ruins the game because every character in this completely amazing franchise doesn't have completely different moves from each other.

Here's how one of my friends from another forum who's a game designer put it:

Friend who probably wants to remain anonymous said:
Guess it's time to get technical.

I'll put this in simple terms...

Everyone is a clone of everyone.

The definition of a clone is an exact copy. Everyone in SSB has:

Standard attacks
Melee attacks
ability to use items
All move using a controller input.
Final Smashes
A Series and/or specific theme song.


Now, the "obvious" clones have been changed in many ways, but it doesn't seem like it until you actually play it, because going by just how it looks through videos, you can't gauge, because I can promise you all of the proclaimed "masters" of a lot of the popular characters will be in for a world of shock.

Falco, Ganondorf and the Ness/Lucas situation..Falco and Ganondorf has some changes, however, Ness and Lucas aren't technically clones..because in the games, they play literally the same, yet you can clearly tell are different people.

So regardless..

clones will happen, Sakurai did indeed say he would try to declone some of them, and which is why he reworked EVERY move from the ground up, he didn't say he would try to have none though.
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