Pokemon Scarlet & Violet - 18th Nov 2022! **OFFICIAL INFO ONLY**

The gameplay trailer shows it using what looks like Mud Bomb and Hyper Voice, so it probably gets all the moves you'd expect a frog Pokémon to get.
Actually I thought it was Bulldoze looking at the trailer for the first time (because this is the kind of stuff I usually pay attention to), but checking the Bulbapedia screenshots means it probably is Hyper Voice.

Cutie
It looks australian
As an Australian, I can confirm this statement.

Bellibolt is adorable and I am definitely using one in my playthrough. Forget the Numel/Stunfisk sweep, he’s too cute.

also the background music is actually not bad imo

EDIT: wow first post on page 131 huh
 
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Cradily about to walk out on stage before finding out last second it didn't get an Electric-type regional form:
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Not a fan of this mon design. I like the fake eyes and the belly, but the real face is too cartoony, and the overall shape is just dull. The ability is interesting, and with the right movepool and setup could be a very scary boss fight, but I'm not going to use it in my playthrough. It doesn't help that there's a LOT of good electrics already to compete with it.
 
I wouldn't worry for that bit "yet".
Spark is a somewhat common low level move even for special oriented electric types, so it really could be anything.

Personally I'm expecting a Guzzlord-like spread, which while terrible it may be usable, but could really be anything on that side as well.
I don't however expect it to be particularly fast, probably 70 at best.
No, no, you misunderstood what I meant.

Iono's Belli used Spark. That probably rules out the possibility of her signature TM being a strong physical Electric move.

I can't say I'm terribly hyped for Belli itself tbh. Nice ability and all, but I don't really dig the design. :blobshrug:
 
Iono's Belli used Spark. That probably rules out the possibility of her signature TM being a strong physical Electric move.
Oh, I see now.

Yeh understandable, though tbh I was kind of expecting it to be specially skewed either ways.
The ability is interesting, and with the right movepool and setup could be a very scary boss fight, but I'm not going to use it in my playthrough.
Your words made me realize something that boggles me.

From the fact that the very first trailer had the Grass gym leader send out his Sudowoodoo and Teralyze it in Grass type, it made many assume that'd be his ace and that "different type Teralyzed in the type of the gym" was going to be the norm.
However, if Bellibolt is her ace and she's a Electric gym leader, that does throw the theory out of the window.
 
Oh, I see now.

Yeh understandable, though tbh I was kind of expecting it to be specially skewed either ways.

Your words made me realize something that boggles me.

From the fact that the very first trailer had the Grass gym leader send out his Sudowoodoo and Teralyze it in Grass type, it made many assume that'd be his ace and that "different type Teralyzed in the type of the gym" was going to be the norm.
However, if Bellibolt is her ace and she's a Electric gym leader, that does throw the theory out of the window.
I mean the easy answer is just...it's not the ace

like we don't see her terastalyze bellibolt at all. & i doubt only some leaders will use it. We don't know how many pokemon she has in stock.
Likewise, for that matter, we don't know Brassius' third Pokemon and he's had no art or fancy trailer dedicated to showing him off with anyone. He, too, could have a gen 8 "signature" pokemon that's neither Smoliv or Sudowoodo.

All the leaders could work like that, really.
 
I mean the easy answer is just...it's not the ace

like we don't see her terastalyze bellibolt at all. & i doubt only some leaders will use it. We don't know how many pokemon she has in stock.
Likewise, for that matter, we don't know Brassius' third Pokemon and he's had no art or fancy trailer dedicated to showing him off with anyone. He, too, could have a gen 8 "signature" pokemon that's neither Smoliv or Sudowoodo.

All the leaders could work like that, really.
Ain't NO way Gimmick Freak is giving Tera to mons that aren't aces.

Similarly, ain't no way Bellibolt isn't Iono's ace with all that promotion.
 
I mean the easy answer is just...it's not the ace

like we don't see her terastalyze bellibolt at all. & i doubt only some leaders will use it. We don't know how many pokemon she has in stock.
Likewise, for that matter, we don't know Brassius' third Pokemon and he's had no art or fancy trailer dedicated to showing him off with anyone. He, too, could have a gen 8 "signature" pokemon that's neither Smoliv or Sudowoodo.

All the leaders could work like that, really.
Agreeable to some degree, but it doesn't fit right with me.
In previous gens, the ace was generally also the pokemon sporting the generational gimmick for pretty much all applicable gym leaders or equivalent.
Not saying I would dislike that the Teralyze is not used for the ace and instead for a different mon, but it just doesn't seem "right"
 
Iono's a pretty cool character. Don't have much else to say about her other than that. The Magnemite hairpins are a nice touch.

At first, I did not like Bellibolt since I thought its eyes were the ears. However, since it was revealed that its eyes are the little dots in the middle of its face, I like it a lot more. That being said, Mono-electric as its typing kinda stinks imo, esp if its slow. Hopefully it has an evolution that can maybe make up for this.
 
Agreeable to some degree, but it doesn't fit right with me.
In previous gens, the ace was generally also the pokemon sporting the generational gimmick for pretty much all applicable gym leaders or equivalent.
Not saying I would dislike that the Teralyze is not used for the ace and instead for a different mon, but it just doesn't seem "right"
Well if the teralyze is saved for the final, strongest pokemon and gets all the pomp & circumstance....I'd say by definition its probably the ace even if there's another Pokemon that's probably the real "associated" pokemon.

Not like they haven't dabbled with that already. Hop is most associated with his Wooloo/Dubwool but his ace for most battles is his starter (& the wolf in the final battle)
 
I hate the fact they're doing exactly same thing again. JP only stream.

If I had to guess, and no matter what it's a stupid reason but it's still a reason I can see them coming to, it's subbed which means people have to split their attention between reading and watching the visuals. And its a fairly quick pace video too so you may miss something while reading or not read something in time. Sure, you can pause the livestream, but that kind of defeats the purpose of it being a livestream if some people need to keep pausing it to watch it and know what's going on (it's as if Pokemon Company should of thought of that ahead of time and hired at least an English voice actor). Of, course, since they still wanted to do a livestream we had to wait until the Japanese trailer was fully done with... and then 10 more minutes for good measure (seriously, was someone asleep? It wasn't until 15 minutes after 9 did they finally post the subbed trailer).

And whatever the heck this thing is O_O
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Why, it's a completely new Pokemon that we in no way in the Distortion World could have ever guessed so WHY EVEN BOTHER WITH THE GUESSING GAME? At best people did predict it was a frog-ish Pokemon (though some people also had looked through the leaks), but she could have described it until the Miltanks came home and no one would have ever figured out what it looked like. They might as well just had it be the one video.

"Well, you see, they addressed that. The 2-video idea was a ploy Iono did in order to get double the viewer ship!"

1. Iono isn't real.
2. There was no viewership count.

All this did was waste time with what they could have done in one video. That viewership joke, they could just had her go on break (play an old or new trailer for the game as a joke on top of that), and have her comeback giggling at all the views she's getting by prolonging the reveal. There, you did your "streamer cares about view count" joke while keeping it contained in one video.

Oh, and then let's not forget soon after they released the gameplay trailer of Iono and Bellibolt. I just don't get it.

Oh, BTW, the trailer does confirm that Levincia is that bridge city on the east side of Paldea, and her Gym Ball is at the center of the bridge:
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Bellibolt...a big electric frog.

This has got to be one of the weirdest, goofiest Pokemon I have ever seen in my life.

Let's see, with all the animals out there surely there has to be ONE frog that can at the very least sense electromagnetism... Huh. Well, I found something relating frogs to electricity, something that's manmade, and not for the faint of heart... :blobastonished:

Calling English "normal human" implies japanese people arent normal humans which raises some weird ethical questions
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By "normal human" I think Worldie just meant someone who isn't a brightly colored cartoon that sounds like they breathed in an entire tank of helium.

If "normality" has to be defined by the most present thing in a given sample, I am afraid english speaker people are the norm.

So yes, if your plan is to make content that can service as many people on the planet as possible, you're meant to be doing it in English.

... Or not. :psynervous: Not that I disagree there should have also been an English dub, but I'd try to ignore sounding like any other language is inferior to English (which is a bit of a Frankenstein Monster of a language if we're to be honest).

oh OK Pokemon, so "Herbivorous" has to become "Sap Sipper" for the kiddies, but "Electromorphosis" is ok? I see how it is....

Hm, you know, I think they decided to go with "Sap Sipper" instead of "Herbivorous" to avoid an implication the Pokemon was actually eating the Grass-type Pokemon.

As for why "Sap Sipper" specifically, I think they may have been trying to do a pun. "Sap" is a word with multiple definitions, the two which I think the translators intended being "plant nectar" to relate it to Grass-types and "to weaken and/or absorb" referring to its effect of nullifying Grass-type moves and increasing the Attack stat. The "Sipper" part probably comes from it being the Ability most associated with the Deerling family; Deers drink sap, going with "sip" for the alliteration.

Silly? Yes. But it's also silly thinking how in the world does a Herbivorous Pokemon eat a Solar Beam, Energy Ball, Absorb/Mega Drain/Giga Drain, & Sleep Powder/Spore/Stun Spore.

I mean there's no confirmation thsi is her ace either, though? She's not using terastalization in the footage and we don't know how many Pokemon she has. This could be a "signature" pokemon but not her ace.
Ain't NO way Gimmick Freak is giving Tera to mons that aren't aces.

Honestly with all the potential things they could do with Terastallize it's hard to say. The only example we have right now is Brassius Terastallizing his Sudowoodo into a Grass-type. While we had previous Gym Leaders who's "ace" was from a previous gen, I feel in this case Sudowoodo isn't his ace and done as mostly a joke if you battle him early enough where Sudowoodo could be a challenge.

I have the feeling their "ace" may change depending on when they're battled. Early on they may do a complete Type Change, but later they may Terastalize their signature Pokemon in order to give it Super STAB. Also let's not forget the possibility of them Terastallizing a Pokemon of their specialty into another Type as a surprise.

I don't however expect it to be particularly fast, probably 70 at best.

That's being a bit generous. Also I think it would want low Speed to take advantage of Electromorphism.

The people who usually dub this kind of archetype tend to not be quite the same level of high-pitched, high-energy that sets people off
They get close to the vibe but, probably helped mostly by being in your language, it's not as "striking". And sometimes the voice direction takes them in a slightly different direction to compensate.

Regardless I think it's probably not laziness and probably just more, like, budget or time. The English trailer voices in general, for all of pokemon's trailers not just SV and that extends to their Pokemon Presents stuff too, have just been not great. I get the feeling they don't have a big budget to, you know. Hire the VO, give proper direction, retakes, all that jazz.
And wouldn't surprise me if they were on a tight schedule for this. Who knows when they even got the videos, you know?

If they were on a tight schedule so only had time to dub it, well, there's no really getting around that.

But as for finding a VA just to do this trailer? Ignoring we have both an anime and Pokemon Masters, if the reason is cause they wanted to match the energy of a VTuber, well then, hire a VTuber. There's plenty of freelance ones, I wouldn't be surprised if a few of them are voice actors.

However, I probably think it is the time issue for one other big reason: lip syncing. That means re-writing what she says in a different way trying to match the lip flaps (and then having the VA match her lines to the lip flaps).

If Pokemon Company honestly cared about getting it dubbed, they would have to have planned this months in advance to have time to properly dub it. But I have a feeling this idea to do a stream was something they cooked up in under a month and weren't really worried about the international market cause this is just a silly little trailer and they were going to release a gameplay trailer soon after.
 
If I had to guess, each gym leader will probably have an old pokemon they terastalize, and those will functionally be their ace even if it's not their "partner." Grusha's partner seems to be Cetitan, but we did not see it terastalizing in the trailer

I assume they thought terastal would be more fun as a way to mix up typings we're already familiar with. If they changed the types of gen 9 pokemon, it would confuse some players who don't know what types they are to begin with. And they probably think terastal is more interesting as a way to give gym leaders pokemon with new types rather than just using super stab

But who knows, this is working on a number of assumptions that might not turn out to be true. I know some people might not like the idea of gym leaders having old Pokemon as their aces but tbh I think it's a nice way to use terastal
 
The entire trailer is dedicated to Iono and Bellibolt
They dont show her other Pokemon because they want to focus on that specific one, I think we can agree on that, right?
And we can also agree that Tera is probably on every leader.

They show a lot about Iono in it: her animations, her arena, some of her dialog, her bellibolt in action. So if Bellibolt is her ace, the one she teras, why not show it? You get to show off her quip (instead of what seems to be pre-battle or incidental dialog), you get to show off bellibolt at "full power", you get to show off a new hat to go with the leader and pokemon

I'm not even saying that every leader necessarily has an "off type" Pokemon that they tera in the same way Brassius does, but to me I think there's enough there (or....not there....?) to say that Iono might indeed have a different Pokemon and that one is the one savedfor last to tera.

Honestly with all the potential things they could do with Terastallize it's hard to say. The only example we have right now is Brassius Terastallizing his Sudowoodo into a Grass-type. While we had previous Gym Leaders who's "ace" was from a previous gen, I feel in this case Sudowoodo isn't his ace and done as mostly a joke if you battle him early enough where Sudowoodo could be a challenge.

I have the feeling their "ace" may change depending on when they're battled. Early on they may do a complete Type Change, but later they may Terastalize their signature Pokemon in order to give it Super STAB. Also let's not forget the possibility of them Terastallizing a Pokemon of their specialty into another Type as a surprise.
I mean it seem to be his final Pokemon. Probably his strongest. So "joke" or not, an ace is an ace.




But as for finding a VA just to do this trailer? Ignoring we have both an anime and Pokemon Masters, if the reason is cause they wanted to match the energy of a VTuber, well then, hire a VTuber. There's plenty of freelance ones, I wouldn't be surprised if a few of them are voice actors.

Even if there's plenty to pick from you still have to go through a whole process of interview and contracts and stuff.
 
Okay, there's 3 types of Tera the gym leaders can do. I'm expecting examples of all 3, at least if we count rematches/league/etc. I'm also expecting that every gym leader will have exactly 1 mon they Tera no matter what, for the sake of the AI, and it will usually be their ace(though that's flexible).

1: Gimmick. Sudowoodo on grass, Seismitoad on Poison, etc. These are the weakest, so I expect them only from gyms intended to be early. They keep the gym on-theme, but they stack weaknesses and don't provide a power boost, just a better movepool.
2: Super STAB. This makes the ace more of a challenge, since even your resist can't wall it effectively, but it also allows them to eliminate a bad secondary typing. I expect most gyms will do this because it's simple.
3: Counter. Take a mon that shares a type with the gym and change it into something completely different. Make an Electric into Flying for handling the Ground/Grass types that people use to crush the Electric gym. I expect this from late-game gyms, since it requires the player to think and adapt, but it's an option the designers probably want people to be aware of.
 
I think the idea is that Iono Terastallizes Bellibolt into an Electric type so that it gets an Adaptability STAB on top of Electromorphosis making its Electric moves even more powerful. Scary until you realize there is an area outside her gym with bunch of ground types and her coverage moves are weak.
It would be cool as it teaches the player than Mono-Teraing is strong but has its limitations.
 
I think the idea is that Iono Terastallizes Bellibolt into an Electric type so that it gets an Adaptability STAB on top of Electromorphosis making its Electric moves even more powerful. Scary until you realize there is an area outside her gym with bunch of ground types and her coverage moves are weak.
It would be cool as it teaches the player than Mono-Teraing is strong but has its limitations.
That's basically my assumption, too. I used Electric as an example because it was on my mind, but yeah, she's leaned far into the Electric gimmick, which means beating her will be a game of "which ground-type have I never used before?" There will be other gyms which do clever stuff, but at least some of them are gonna be "Did you find the counter? Because we gave you a counter."

This doesn't mean SuperStab Tera oppts will all be pushovers, mind. A rain team with a Tera-Water Swift Swimmer would be a nightmare for any team that doesn't have it's own weather or significant priority to handle. I don't expect them to actually do that outside of a post-game rematch mode or similar, but it's a scary option.
 
That's basically my assumption, too. I used Electric as an example because it was on my mind, but yeah, she's leaned far into the Electric gimmick, which means beating her will be a game of "which ground-type have I never used before?" There will be other gyms which do clever stuff, but at least some of them are gonna be "Did you find the counter? Because we gave you a counter."

This doesn't mean SuperStab Tera oppts will all be pushovers, mind. A rain team with a Tera-Water Swift Swimmer would be a nightmare for any team that doesn't have it's own weather or significant priority to handle. I don't expect them to actually do that outside of a post-game rematch mode or similar, but it's a scary option.
Yeah.
If players don’t have a ground type, they would need to KO Bellibolt fast. Against real players, this strategy is more threatening. Pokemon like Dracovish and Barraskeda would be the best examples of this strategy.
As for competitive Bellibolt, Grass, Water, or Steel sounds the best imo because its signature ability needs you to take hits, and Bellibolt likely has Grass or Water moves for STAB against Ground types, and Steel provides so many resistances to let it tank more hits.
 
Yeah.
If players don’t have a ground type, they would need to KO Bellibolt fast. Against real players, this strategy is more threatening. Pokemon like Dracovish and Barraskeda would be the best examples of this strategy.
As for competitive Bellibolt, Grass, Water, or Steel sounds the best imo because its signature ability needs you to take hits, and Bellibolt likely has Grass or Water moves for STAB against Ground types, and Steel provides so many resistances to let it tank more hits.
I'm not even giving it the time of day if I have to lose STAB to get its gimmick going.

Assault Vest Tera-Electric Belli.
 
I mean, there is another idea: the Partner Pokemon arent the targets for terastalizing.

Hear me out: Grusha as we know has the big bad Cetitan. We can assume this is his ace, but it also didnt terastalize. the only one who did was a mon originally not of its type, Sudowoodo, and I dont think its been confirmed that even his true partner either. Maybe each gym has a pokemon specifically not of their type that they change to match their type? O maybe her ace is magnezone and she terastilizes to remove the steel typing? Not too much info at this point, im just spitballing.
 
I’m assuming they all Terastallize their aces. Probably Cetitan isn’t Grusha’s ace, that or Grusha doesn’t use Terastal (like Piers)

They probably would have mentioned it if the latter, so I’m guessing Cetitan just isn’t Grusha’s ace.
 
I'm not even giving it the time of day if I have to lose STAB to get its gimmick going.

Assault Vest Tera-Electric Belli.
Well think of it like this.
You get way more resistances, STAB on Energy Ball or Scald, and any time you get hit (helped by resisting things, it’s effectively dual STAB.

Or

You can make your regular mono STAB even stronger and then make it stronger again, its ability to be wasted because you attacked one of many electric immune Pokemon or resistances.

Granted, this depends on its movepool and what not. There are reasons why Regieleki is not good offensively, I think its likely to get Water coverage, maybe good Grass coverage as well. EM also may not be wasted when you switch out or use it on Electric immune Pokemon, which would favor using Electric Tera on it. Also keep in mind that Terastallizing is optional on every Pokemon, so if you don’t want to be a Grass or Water type in a certain match-up because being Electric is better, go ahead and do so. Mono-Tera just means most of your bad match-ups remain the same.
 
its ability to be wasted because you attacked one of many electric immune Pokemon or resistances.
It's worth noting that the Charge status doesn't go away until you actually use an Electric move, so you can predict your opponent to switch to a Ground-type, smack them with a Muddy Water, and still have your Charge.

EDIT: I am big dumb.
 
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