SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics

[AquaticPanic]

Honestly wonder if half the reason Paradoxes are just "new" pokemon instead of a form change, aside from not wanting two of those in the same generation, is because it means they can just be brought back without a mechanic shackling them.

I do think this makes some sense (judging by how Regional Variants are kind of a mess in any non-native game), but I also get the feeling its not the whole picture. Its hard to tell because we know so little of them, but they probbaly have more of a reason to be their own thing than Wiglett does

Although personally I don't mind them being their own mon. I feel as though TPC has always treated Regional Variants more or less as new mons either way, idt them ocupying a dex slot really matters all that much in the end.

Do we have typings for all of the Paradox forms yet?

Only a few confirmed by leaks, those being:

Scarlet Donphan - Ground / Electric
Scarlet Volcarona - Bug / Fighting
Scarlet Salamence - Dragon / Dark
Violet Donphan - Ground / Fighting
Violet Volcarona - Poison / Fire
Violet Hydreiogon - Flying / Dark
Violet Delibird - Ice / Water

Aditionally, we know every paradox keeps one of the original typing, every paradox is dual-typed and none of them are Normal, and Amoonguss in specific was said to not be Poison, leaving us with:

Scarlet Amoonguss - Grass / ???
Scarlet Jigglypuff - ??? / Fairy
Scarlet Misdreavus - Ghost / ???
Scarlet Suicune - Water / ???
Violet Hariyama - Fighting / ???


Kaka had also posted the following, though:

("no SV" refering to Suicune and Virizion)
For context, thanks to Khu's tweets, we now know that 2 of the 3 unknown types here are Water (Delibird) and Poison (Volcarona)


So while we don't know for sure what typing wach of the other Paradox mons are,w e can speculate on it. Do note this includes typings from the OG mons - the "1 bug" here is one of the Volcarona paradoxes, even though Volcarona was already a Bug type

My own guesses for a few of them

Misdreavus - Ghost / Fairy
Gallade - Fighting / Fairy
Tyranitar - Electric / Dark

 

[doipy hooves]

Misdreavus - Ghost / Fairy
Gallade - Fighting / Fairy

These complete types were hinted from Kaka and Khu, as well as some other minor hints like Jigglypuff not being Dark or Poison either.

Note that the electric/fighting/dragon count includes the box legendaries as paradoxes, so (based on Kaka's list) it means Salamence is the only Dragon here and there are 2 Electrics and Darks unaccounted for as well as other unmentioned types.

 

[R_N]

I do think this makes some sense (judging by how Regional Variants are kind of a mess in any non-native game), but I also get the feeling its not the whole picture. Its hard to tell because we know so little of them, but they probbaly have more of a reason to be their own thing than Wiglett does

Although personally I don't mind them being their own mon. I feel as though TPC has always treated Regional Variants more or less as new mons either way, idt them ocupying a dex slot really matters all that much in the end.

TPC has always considered like any form to be its own Pokemon, they market it as such a lot. I definitely remember a lot of confusion any time this happened gens 4 & 5.

But it bugs me here because I've seen 2 of them and I am just going "but whyyyyyyyy". It hits all the wrong switches in my brain after going through a variety of alternate forms that are just, alternate forms and the differences on display being done to mark them as distinct just aren't enough for me.
That's in addition to the combo of only 4 regional forms, 3 of which are tauros, and then the Wiglett & Tentacool Mushroom stuff in the same region its like did you get bored of your form concepts.

I'll be blunt whatever reason they come up with almost certainly just have me go "okay but you could still have just called them forms and no one would blink".




Honestly if they just went whole hog and gave every single form their own number and name I'd flip from annoyance/grumpiness to admiration. Yeah A-Vulpix is Keokeo now. Mega Kangaskhan is Ogedhikhan, deal with it.

 

[AquaticPanic]

it bugs me here because I've seen 2 of them and I am just going "but whyyyyyyyy". It hits all the wrong switches in my brain after going through a variety of alternate forms that are just, alternate forms and the differences on display being done to mark them as distinct just aren't enough for me.
That's in addition to the combo of only 4 regional forms, 3 of which are tauros, and then the Wiglett & Tentacool Mushroom stuff in the same region its like did you get bored of your form concepts.

Yeah that's fair enough of a take, I think what'll really matter for me to be sold on them as different mons or not is how much they're willing to be changing the design. Even with 2 of them leaked, its hard to tell from a sample size of 2 (who are also not very good quality images)

As for the low amount of regional forms, I feel they just dialed them back because with the Paradoxes seemingly being past-future themed, they knew they had to make these specific to SV whereas regional variants would be able to be done in any gen, so paradoxes are more or less "replacing" our regionals for this gen, for better or for worse. They already had one idea for different designs of old mons that had to be specific to Paldea and felt it'd be probably a bit much to also have a bunch of regional variants on top of that

Having said that, no idea why they thought Wiglett and Toadscool should be done this gen lol. I like the idea for them but definitely reeks of poor timing when you're also dialing back regionals and introducing another instance of "new mons based on old ones that are different species altogether"

Note that the electric/fighting/dragon count includes the box legendaries as paradoxes, so (based on Kaka's list) it means Salamence is the only Dragon here and there are 2 Electrics and Darks unaccounted for as well as other unmentioned types.

I don't think the list includes the Raidons. Counting with the 25 known and 3 unknown types, there's 28 types, and every paradox is dual-typed so that'd mean 14 dual-type mons. Those would be Donphan, Volcarona, Amoonguss, Jigglypuff, Magneton, Salamence, Misdreavus, Donphan, Volcarona, Hydreigon, Tyranitar, Gallade, Hariyama and Delibird, exactly 14 mons. There's no space for the Raidons on the count.

 

[RocketSurgery]

My guess is that they made paradoxes their own mons so that they didn't feel restricted in terms of modifying the BST. With the regional variants they basically preserved the totals and just moved points around. Since these aren't the same mons, they can go wild with the BSTs and abilities. (Sure, they could have just said 'screw it, regional variants with higher BST', but... they didn't want to, I guess.)

I don't think the list includes the Raidons. Counting with the 25 known and 3 unknown types, there's 28 types, and every paradox is dual-typed so that'd mean 14 dual-type mons. Those would be Donphan, Volcarona, Amoonguss, Jigglypuff, Magneton, Salamence, Misdreavus, Donphan, Volcarona, Hydreigon, Tyranitar, Gallade, Hariyama and Delibird, exactly 14 mons. There's no space for the Raidons on the count.

I think the screenshot you shared in your previous post is not the list Kaka actually posted. If I recall correctly, Kaka only listed a subset of the types, and didn't explicitly list any as only appearing once or not all. e.g., they didn't list ghost, even though they separately confirmed para-misdreavus was ghost/fairy. It also wasn't clear if they were implying that the unlisted types appeared only 1 or 0 times, or if it's possible that there are 2 ghost paras. I'm pretty sure the code-cracking discord came to the conclusion the count had to include the Raidons after using other claims by Kaka and/or Khu, but I don't remember the reasoning.

Kaka could also be inaccurate -- they originally claimed the paradox mons didn't change types at all, before correcting the error, and they also claimed Farigiraf would be pure psychic.

 

[658Greninja]

Specially true for Regen cause switching out is way less of a deal in both BSS and VCG - GameFreak has no reson to nerf Regen looking though the lens of their official formats (and frankly as annoying as it is to face, even in Smogon formats Regen doesn't really deserve a nerf).

Then explain the existence of Boots.

 

[doipy hooves]

I don't think the list includes the Raidons. Counting with the 25 known and 3 unknown types, there's 28 types, and every paradox is dual-typed so that'd mean 14 dual-type mons. Those would be Donphan, Volcarona, Amoonguss, Jigglypuff, Magneton, Salamence, Misdreavus, Donphan, Volcarona, Hydreigon, Tyranitar, Gallade, Hariyama and Delibird, exactly 14 mons. There's no space for the Raidons on the count.

I think the screenshot you shared in your previous post is not the list Kaka actually posted. If I recall correctly, Kaka only listed a subset of the types, and didn't explicitly list any as only appearing once or not all. e.g., they didn't list ghost, even though they separately confirmed para-misdreavus was ghost/fairy. It also wasn't clear if they were implying that the unlisted types appeared only 1 or 0 times, or if it's possible that there are 2 ghost paras. I'm pretty sure the code-cracking discord came to the conclusion the count had to include the Raidons after using other claims by Kaka and/or Khu, but I don't remember the reasoning.

Kaka could also be inaccurate -- they originally claimed the paradox mons didn't change types at all, before correcting the error, and they also claimed Farigiraf would be pure psychic.

Yeah, for the record this is Kaka's original list of paradox typings which seemed to list types with more than one representation, though as said it's hard to say if he meant anything else by it or missed anything, but it's worked out pretty well so far.
The legendaries being counted in explicitly comes from Kaka's circle about a month ago (September 4th), also thanks to the code cracking server.

 

[Mova]

TPC has always considered like any form to be its own Pokemon, they market it as such a lot. I definitely remember a lot of confusion any time this happened gens 4 & 5.

But it bugs me here because I've seen 2 of them and I am just going "but whyyyyyyyy". It hits all the wrong switches in my brain after going through a variety of alternate forms that are just, alternate forms and the differences on display being done to mark them as distinct just aren't enough for me.
That's in addition to the combo of only 4 regional forms, 3 of which are tauros, and then the Wiglett & Tentacool Mushroom stuff in the same region its like did you get bored of your form concepts.

I'll be blunt whatever reason they come up with almost certainly just have me go "okay but you could still have just called them forms and no one would blink".




Honestly if they just went whole hog and gave every single form their own number and name I'd flip from annoyance/grumpiness to admiration. Yeah A-Vulpix is Keokeo now. Mega Kangaskhan is Ogedhikhan, deal with it.

But if Megas were given proper numbers, would they be treated as Kalos species? What does that leave for ORAS introduced Megas then?

 

[R_N]

But if Megas were given proper numbers, would they be treated as Kalos species? What does that leave for ORAS introduced Megas then?

They'd be gen 6 Pokemon yeah. I guess they could consider ORAS Megas (also the primals, hoopa-unbound) Hoenn origin but that's a problem for alternate universe Home developers who have to decide how they want to categorize pokemon without using generation nomenclature

 

[Volt-Ikazuchi]

Self-KOing moves invariably have more than 1 PP (e.g. Lunar Dance, Misty Explosion, Final Gambit, Memento) despite the user (dang near) always KOing themselves immediately after using them. This looks like a 1-PP move you cannot raise the max. PP of Crystal-Free Z-Moves style to me. It is because this move has only 1 PP that I believe it does not self-KO. But hey, it could revive them with half their max. HP! (Think Life Shrooms in the Paper Mario series only reviving you with 10 HP, except that Paper Mario item is automatically used and does not incur tempo loss, while Pawmi3/etc. has to bust a turn using the 1-PP move.) It could also cut half of the user's max. HP.


I'm starting to suspect that the 3rd legendary is a demiurge/creator who spurred every Paradox into existence, probably including the box legendaries.

Anyone else think the background dressmon Serebii.net has a snapshot of is past-Paradox-Mismagius/Misdreavus or possibly in the Poison/Rock flower line?

If Pawmi3's move only has 1pp and is as strong as advertised, I sure hope it doesn't have Recycle. Leppa Berries will be bad enough as is.

As for Regional Fakes... I don't really get why Wigglet and RF Tentacool aren't regular regional forms.

At the end of the day, the end result isn't that different, is it?

 

[R_N]

If Pawmi3's move only has 1pp and is as strong as advertised, I sure hope it doesn't have Recycle. Leppa Berries will be bad enough as is.

As for Regional Fakes... I don't really get why Wigglet and RF Tentacool aren't regular regional forms.

At the end of the day, the end result isn't that different, is it?

If you're letting Pawmi3 somehow get off multiple revivals in a single game I think you deserve to lose that one

 

[Ironmage]

Leppa Berry isn't the only way to cheat out more PP for a specific move. You can also use a different move to call it, such as Assist or Sleep Talk. Sleep Talk is already a possibility on a mon that you only want to exist.

 

[R_N]

Leppa Berry isn't the only way to cheat out more PP for a specific move. You can also use a different move to call it, such as Assist or Sleep Talk. Sleep Talk is already a possibility on a mon that you only want to exist.

Assist doesn't exist as a move anymore, but even if it comes back, making a move uncallable by Assist is nothing new
Sleep Talk is a possibility (the moves it can't call are generally 2 turn moves....Dynamax Canon is an odd one, though) but they could also just make a special exception. But even if they don't there's just, like....the possibility it doesnt call it or you setting up Pawmi specifically to get to sleep through means other than Rest

I'm sure there will be so many people trying to find ways to get this thing to get multiple revives off in a given game but I feel like they're all full of hoops to jump through where its not really gonna happen in most instances.

 

[GeneralNameless]

My thoughts on the leaked Ground-types:
So there really isn't going to be a lot to say until the game leaks, but it is nice to see, after 2 gens with no new combos (both Gen 7 and 8 added a pure Ground, a Ghost/Ground, and a Steel/Ground), we finally have a Fighting/Ground: and that's not to mention our first real duplicates of Poison/Ground, Electric/Ground, Dark/Ground, and Grass/Ground. What a time to be alive!

Toadscruel almost certainly means access to a Spore user for team building. Always tough to fit this combo onto mono-type theme teams however.
Dinglu Deer is probably what I'm most excited to see. Ground doesn't get very many sub legends - ugly Landorus is the only one in fact - and this helps patch the serious lack of Dark resists Ground has.
Speaking of, a-Donphan finally brings a typing to the series that everyone wondered why it took so gosh dang long. People thought it was unfair that Ursaluna stole it's counterparts typing. BUT WHO'S LAUGHING NOW
f-Donphan comes along to show Unovan Stunfisk what it's like to be completely outclassed by other your other options, so maybe it'll be a bit more sympathetic to poor Galarian Stunfisk. Anyway, this thing has a lot of potential as a Ground mon that doesn't need to rely on Rock moves.

 

[pecanbegone]

Oh dang this is a thing now! Well I got some thoughts that have been a brewin' for the past 3 months:

-My enjoyment on this generation hinges VERY HEAVILY on what the earthworm is like. Judging by what we know so far, it seems like it might be a giant Pokeball mimic link. I am ok with this.
-Similarly, I am very curious as to what the poison crystal flower thing is actually meant to be. The fact that it's apparently the 2nd stage makes it even more mysterious.
-You can tell that they weren't worried with overflowing animal "archetypes" this time around. 7 bird families, 5 fish families (4 of which are single-stage), and 3 whole two-stage dog families. I am very petty about the dog thing. There's already too many dang canines, and now we get 3 more in a single gen?!?
-It sure is strange only having 2 regional forms (I'm counting all the Tauros singularly here lol). I guess it makes sense considering the convergent mons and the truckload of paradox mons, but it's still weird seeing as gen 8 had such a big focus on them. Guess that's one thing we can expect to see for DLC, huh?

 

[AquaticPanic]

As for Regional Fakes... I don't really get why Wigglet and RF Tentacool aren't regular regional forms.

At the end of the day, the end result isn't that different, is it?

Refer to this for a full breakdown on why they're fundimentally different concepts even if the design philosophy of convergent species and regional variants have a lot of overlap


As for the talk regarding why they're different dex slots, and a response to the Megas question, I feel like TPC has always seen megas and Regional Variants as their own new mons ,thus why new gens would feel like they have "less mons" in number - these forms don't ocupy a dex slot so if you only look at how many mons the dex has at the end of the gen, you have a smaller number of new mons than what the gen has actually introduced. Kalos is a primary example of this - People often complain about its dex size, but counting with XY megas, the dex roster added in XY matches that of Johto (and only goes up from ORAS). And while in this specific case, megas ended up being a misfire as these are likely never returning on another region at this point, Regional Variants are very clearly going to stay. So in that sense, while Gen 7 numerically added 83 new dex slots (counting with Meltan line), that number shoots up to 101 if you count the Regional Variants it added.

With that in mind, seeing as TPC already treats regional variants as their own mons anyways, I don't really see that much of an issue in Paradox mons having their own dex slot. Its a bit weird and would really depend on how far they go with the changes but I think the hate for this is a tad overblown, at least at this point in time


Now for a bit of theorycrafting, remember khu saying Sprigatito has a "godlike" ability that wasn't new. Given its evolution is supposedly a magician, I could kind of see Magic Guard? Hard to tell what Khu thinks is a good ability but that would make some sense to me

 

[Hugin]

If Endless Battles couldn't get Leppa banned but Pawmi does, I'll be laughing for days.

Coin mon seems cool, but there's a lot of competition for both Steel and Ghost teamslots this gen. I'm strongly considering a mono-ghost run at some point, but it definitely means Coin will have to have an excellent design for me to jump through hoops to use it over all the alternatives.

Regional variants, cross-gen evos, convergent evolution, paradox mons...they all do roughly the same thing(Add mons to the game with less design work), but it feels bloated. Tauros is one thing, people have been expecting that since Spain was announced, but otherwise I definitely think they could have just limited everything to Paradoxes and completely new mons, and left the others for future regions.

I'm very curious to see how Bisharp evolves. I personally like that it has an evolution because I don't love its design as much as Pawniard's, and they did a great job turning Ursaring into a big silly bear with Ursaluna. But Pawniard already evolves at lv 52, so it's absurd to stack another evolution on top of that. If there's any time to retcon evolution levels (like they did for the starters in Legends), it's now

GF refuses to do so, but yes. Volcarona, Bisharp, Hydreigon, there's a lot of too-high mons and especially with an open world, it feels like they would realize that issue and fix it.

 

[vin sneasel]

My money's on Sprigatito's ability being either a reskin of Protean or Prankster. Sprigatito is gonna end up being a Dark type and I don't see Magic Guard fitting thematically on a Grass/Dark type. I'm leaning towards Prankster but if it got a Protean reskin that would make it so a Fire, Water and Grass starter have it.

 

[Rarycaris]

I'd be surprised if they didn't go totally overboard in ensuring there's absolutely no possible way to cheat past the one time revival limit. I'll bet it can't be called by any other move, it'll have the "only Pawmi3 can use this move" clause, and it'll probably ignore Leppa Berries. The only plausible corner case I can see getting missed is using a Transforming ally to copy the move before using it, and that is too risky to be practical anyway (since it means using either Mew or a non-Imposter Ditto).

Or they could straight up hard code it to only work once per battle. Think No Retreat for partial precedent, or the various special once-per-battle mechanics.

At any rate, I'm mostly interested in its potential applications in Ubers, where there are likely to be one or two mons that are just obviously a cut above everything else going by recent precedent and the likelihood that there'll only be two 680BST mons on release.

 

[Volt-Ikazuchi]

Refer to this for a full breakdown on why they're fundimentally different concepts even if the design philosophy of convergent species and regional variants have a lot of overlap

As riveting as the biological explanation is, at the end of the day, Diglett and Wiglett just don't have enough to visually set them apart.

Mechanic-wise, the only thing that could possibly set them apart from a regional evo so far is if their BST isn't the same, which doesn't really require a whole new mechanic and biology dissertations, or if both are on the same game, which also doesn't require all this nonsense.

Not to mention they did all this song and dance and will have countless NPCs dumping text on you over it for 2 mons? (Technically 4 counting evos.)

The entire concept behind the mechanic is just so extra for no reason. No matter how I slice it, from a game perspective, it's just unnecessary and convoluted.

 

[pecanbegone]

My money's on Sprigatito's ability being either a reskin of Protean or Prankster. Sprigatito is gonna end up being a Dark type and I don't see Magic Guard fitting thematically on a Grass/Dark type. I'm leaning towards Prankster but if it got a Protean reskin that would make it so a Fire, Water and Grass starter have it.

It's been said that none of the starter hidden abilities are new, and I'm assuming by that that they aren't even "different name but same effect" abilities. It honestly just might be Prankster, period.

 

[RocketSurgery]

Since I'm always most excited to see new ghost types, I figured I would give my preliminary thoughts on the ghosts and what we know about them so far.

ghost thoughts

(Speculative fan art of unrevealed mons from Makio & JRoses' dex)

Fuecoco3:


Fire/Ghost. Fuecoco was my favorite of the starters when they were revealed, so I was glad when Khu's leaks suggested it would be another fire/ghost, although I after the disappointment that was Hisuian Typhlosion I am steeling myself for the possibility of another miss. I almost never end up picking the fire type starter, so I am really hoping Fuecoco3 is cool. The fact that it is apparently some sort of singer is... not the most encouraging, though could turn out fine. We know it has a rooster-shaped fire (or a fire-rooster?) on its head and is quadrupedal but also stands maybe? This all said, the main issue with Fuecoco3 is it has competition:

Ceruledge:

Fire/Ghost. With Ceruledge and Fuecoco3, we now have enough fully evolved fire/ghost mons to (hypothetically) make an entire team of 6: A-Marowak, Chandelure, Blacephalon, H-Typhlosion. To be honest, I like Armarouge's design better than Ceruledge, its proportions feel a bit more balanced, but I am still interested in trying out Ceruledge. This is why I am thinking of trying to run multiple teams if the three stories are separate enough, or maybe I'll just rotate through a lot of mons if not. I am not thrilled that both it and paradox-misdreavus are opposite version exclusives. We'll likely be able to get both in each version through online raids or trading the evo item, but still slightly disappointing.

Ghost-dodge:


Pure Ghost. Eh, I am not too interested in a pure ghost type dog mon. It had better be a malamute or shiba-inu, though another corgi or pekinese would be acceptable.

Tumbleweed:


Grass/Ghost, bringing the number of fully evolved grass/ghost mons up to 5. We don't know anything about this mon other than its type and this description. Maybe I'll try it out if I come across it, though I am expecting it to be frail...

Coin-mon:


Fully evolved is Ghost/Steel according to Khu's hints, 'ningen' (humanoid?) according to Kaka. Poor Aegislash loses its unique typing. Not sure what to expect for this one in terms of design; hope its closer to armarouge than Sudowoodo,,. We're told it has an OP ability and a busted 140~150 BP move with no drawback. It sounds like it has the potential to be really cool, but it sounds like its going to be reeeeeaaaally tedious to get. I am not a fan of these collection quests. (I haven't even finished hunting all the wisps in PLA, I just transferred a Spiritomb from HOME).

Primape-evo:


Fighting/Ghost. I am sad that they booted Marshadow out of the unique typing club to for a primeape evo of all things. I would make an "I want Marshadow" "We have Marshadow at home" "Marshadow at home: [primape evo]" meme, except the joke is ruined because the real Marshadow really is at home... Pokemon HOME :( Primeape evo probably won't make it onto my final team, but maybe I'll try it out if it's not too cumbersome to evolve. I hope its design is a major glow up from Primeape, but the 'sketch' Kaka(?) made out of emojis doesn't leave me too hopeful. (The art above is based on th emoji art, I think, though the emoji art had feet...)

Paradox-Misdreavus:

Ghost/Fairy. Possibly the mon I am looking forward to the most. I really hope it looks great and is one of the OP paradox mons. For a while I wanted Misdreavus to be my favorite mon since I loved Ghost type and my sibling stole Gengar, but I was disappointed that Gengar was competitively better than Misdreavus, and I remained disappointed when Misdreavus finally got an evo but was still outclassed. If para-misdreavus makes up for this, I will be stoked. It would also likely replace Mimikyu on my signature team. (While I like mostly like Mimikyu, I dislike the idea of every member of a Pokemon species fashioning the same disguise out of cloth... I have to headcannon that the disguise is really part of Mimikyu somehow... like Mimikyu is really some sort of ghost spider that made its disguise out of a web or something...). Unfortunately para-misdrevus will be a Scarlet exclusive... not sure if this mon + Armarouge will be enough to convince me to go with Scarlet over Violet, but its very tempting.

Paradox-Tyranitar? I doubt para-ttar is ghost, but it was speculated to be by some in the code cracking discord because both Kaka and Khu made tweets about the ghost-tera ttar from the Worlds trailer. Based on the list of types from Kaka I would guess it's more likely to be dark/electric, but if it were ghost/rock that would be cool. (And it with Ceruledge + Miraidon might swing my choice to Violet)

As far as we know, that's all the ghosts. We don't know anything about Para-Suicune or Virizion, or the 3rd legendary, so always possible one of them turn out to be part ghost, but it sounds like we might have to wait until DLC to find out about them.

 

[vin sneasel]

Regarding the third legendary, its implied antics (paradoxes and terastalization, aka literally just making shit up and using the made up shit to engage with reality) make me lean more towards Psychic typing or, more likely, a situation somewhere in between Arceus and Protean where it doesn't have a set type. IMO there's a non-zero chance (very slim) that it's the first true "typeless" Pokemon, and terastalization is it just making a type up for itself. Khu DID say that "the best tera hat is in DLC", and it would be strange if the special hat was a type that already exists in the base game.

 

[doipy hooves]

I feel like the revive will be pretty straightforward and just be a 50% heal like the item (EDIT: as kaka specifically mentioned its Japanese name). Hopefully Pawmi3 has something else to do with its Electric/Fighting type to make it worthwhile as I can envision the 6 Pawmi gimmick team videos already.

As for Sprigatito's ability, personally I'm hoping for a Flower Veil on a natural Grass type angle, though it may not be offensive enough to consider as a meta defining team staple*. On the other starters, it sounds like Fuecoco may get Gluttony because of the hint about the berry gif, and just based on final flavour I wonder if they would give Quaxly Dancer or something more impactful.

EDIT: Apparently Khu posted the initial Sprigatito tweet without seeing the movepool, so it may be more of a surface take. Also I don't have the post on hand but I do remember kaka replying that the starter abilities are old and not new renamed old ones for whatever difference it makes.

(*regarding this tweet which may be about Sprigatito)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1557965324170932225

 

[Hugin]

I'd be surprised if they didn't go totally overboard in ensuring there's absolutely no possible way to cheat past the one time revival limit. I'll bet it can't be called by any other move, it'll have the "only Pawmi3 can use this move" clause, and it'll probably ignore Leppa Berries. The only plausible corner case I can see getting missed is using a Transforming ally to copy the move before using it, and that is too risky to be practical anyway (since it means using either Mew or a non-Imposter Ditto).

Or they could straight up hard code it to only work once per battle. Think No Retreat for partial precedent, or the various special once-per-battle mechanics.

There is actually a way to use No Retreat twice. Doubles battle, use Mean Look from your Umbreon(any mon works) against your Falinks, have your Falinks use No Retreat. Then swap out your Umbreon and Falinks can No Retreat again.

There's just too many mechanics in Pokemon to make a lot of limits actually work. People found holes in Dynamax's immunities, they'll find holes in this if GF tries.

Regarding the third legendary, its implied antics (paradoxes and terastalization, aka literally just making shit up and using the made up shit to engage with reality) make me lean more towards Psychic typing or, more likely, a situation somewhere in between Arceus and Protean where it doesn't have a set type. IMO there's a non-zero chance (very slim) that it's the first true "typeless" Pokemon, and terastalization is it just making a type up for itself. Khu DID say that "the best tera hat is in DLC", and it would be strange if the special hat was a type that already exists in the base game.

That sounds very Fey, in the classical sense. Typeless would be interesting too, but it seems like after how many issues GF had with glitches due to typeless Curse, they'll be careful before doing anything like that again.

Honestly, if we could have fewer Psychic/Dragon/Fairy legends, that'd be nice, but smart money is on those types continuing to dominate the mythical/legendary lists.