Anyone got a comparison between original/paradox mons?
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SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics
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I think Khu stated as such about the past Pokémon, that none of them are Fire-type and therefore their ability has worse synergy with Koraidon’s ability when compared to the future Pokémon’s ability and its synergy with Miraidon’s ability. That and the name Protosynthesis clearly being a play off of photosynthesis seems to imply a connection with the sun weather.
They're all over the place, but the easiest one to see is that Paradox Misdreavus's stats are buffed in the same way they were buffed by evolution into Mismagius. +50 in SpA, SpD, and Spe instead of +20. No other changes
Interesting that even the “Low Power” forms have unchanged stats. I’m assuming only the proper, cover mascot forms are usable in battle (which is what I mostly expected, but since there was some talk of the Raidons having bespoke held items, I figured there was at least a chance of a Zacian/Zamazenta-H situation).
Those ability names are pretty sick
Jigglypuff got a whopping... *checks notes* +0 to HP. It also got +20 to both attacking stats and... +79 Defense, +90 SpDef, and +90 Speed.
The puff got buffed holy-
Khu once said that he sees a bit of Kyogre/Groudon in the new duo with regard to their combat abilities.
Then the internet obnoxiously telephoned these words into "LOLDROUGHT LOLSURGE."
Tale as old as time, really.
I'm pretty sure the "forms" can't be used in battle, we saw from the first leaker that your 'raidon get's shown under the party at all times, they probably just made them actual forms so they didn't need to write any extra code to display the ride sprite.
Surprised that they seem to cap at 670 BST with no alternate in-battle formes. Not that it matters too much though because both of them have really great statlines; looks like we’re probably not gonna have another Zamazenta situation, thank god.
The move BP nerf wasn't really random. It was dialing back the power of a lot of standard moves to lower the overall power level.
Dynamax on the other hand is just bad game design but that isn't reall
I don't know about the validity of anything anymore but this seems to be the full version of the cropped sheet and paradox sprites
Yeah i don't know what to trust rn. Hard to tell when 4chan is being 4chan or when they are actually being helpful when it comes to these sorts of things.
The thing that makes me question this is why one paradox each gas a higher bst than all the others of their respective games. And some stat spreads just look weird. And others just seem like beefed hp versions of their regular counterparts.
And then paradox Delibird is just random. Fast specially offensive water/ice...? I mean i would love it but i don't buy it.
Probably the last boss of each version.
Ah so people are just assuming. figures
That is one buff puff. Guess more of a tank then an attacker. wonder if it has good stall moves. You dont really see a fast tank often
IIRC it was mentioned that there's two different "kinds" of paradoxes, seems like the base stat totals is what the leaker meant.
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I'm curious how AncientPuff's 115/99/115 defenses stack against Pex's 50/152/142
(EDIT: Apparently it is bulkier. Question is would AncientPuff get stuff to let it stall)
He also mentioned the two abilities by name and later said he hinted at the legendary effects.
Overall I think I'm going to call it a night. I don't really understand what happened today, but it's been a wild ride and I guess at least someone is doing something with the game in private. Hopefully things can be more transparent later on.
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOENN is the new KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Really, Hoenn has been getting shilled almost as much as Kanto. Probably the second most shilled region in the series history.
Here's a quick comparison table:
TLDR things got faster, except Hariyama.
Edit: added Gardevoir comparison per request.
| donphan | ||||||
| HP | ATK | DEF | SPA | SPD | SPE | |
| basic | 90 | 120 | 120 | 60 | 60 | 50 |
| past | 115 | 131 | 131 | 53 | 53 | 87 |
| difference | 25 | 11 | 11 | -7 | -7 | 37 |
| future | 90 | 112 | 120 | 72 | 70 | 106 |
| difference | 0 | -8 | 0 | 12 | 10 | 56 |
| Amoongus | ||||||
| HP | ATK | DEF | SPA | SPD | SPE | |
| basic | 114 | 85 | 70 | 85 | 80 | 30 |
| past | 111 | 127 | 99 | 79 | 99 | 55 |
| difference | -3 | 42 | 29 | -6 | 19 | 25 |
| Magneton | ||||||
| HP | ATK | DEF | SPA | SPD | SPE | |
| basic | 50 | 60 | 95 | 120 | 70 | 70 |
| past | 85 | 81 | 97 | 121 | 85 | 101 |
| difference | 35 | 21 | 2 | 1 | 15 | 31 |
| Jigglypuff | ||||||
| HP | ATK | DEF | SPA | SPD | SPE | |
| basic | 115 | 45 | 20 | 45 | 25 | 20 |
| past | 115 | 65 | 99 | 65 | 115 | 111 |
| difference | 0 | 20 | 79 | 20 | 90 | 91 |
| misdreavus | ||||||
| HP | ATK | DEF | SPA | SPD | SPE | |
| basic | 60 | 60 | 60 | 85 | 85 | 85 |
| past | 55 | 55 | 55 | 135 | 135 | 135 |
| difference | -5 | -5 | -5 | 50 | 50 | 50 |
| Larvesta | ||||||
| HP | ATK | DEF | SPA | SPD | SPE | |
| basic | 55 | 85 | 55 | 50 | 55 | 60 |
| past | 85 | 135 | 79 | 85 | 105 | 81 |
| difference | 30 | 50 | 24 | 35 | 50 | 21 |
| Salamence | ||||||
| HP | ATK | DEF | SPA | SPD | SPE | |
| basic | 95 | 135 | 80 | 110 | 80 | 100 |
| past | 105 | 139 | 71 | 55 | 101 | 119 |
| difference | 10 | 4 | -9 | -55 | 21 | 19 |
| Volcarona | ||||||
| HP | ATK | DEF | SPA | SPD | SPE | |
| basic | 85 | 60 | 65 | 130 | 90 | 70 |
| future | 80 | 70 | 60 | 140 | 110 | 100 |
| difference | -5 | 10 | -5 | 10 | 20 | 30 |
| Hariyama | ||||||
| HP | ATK | DEF | SPA | SPD | SPE | |
| basic | 144 | 120 | 60 | 40 | 60 | 50 |
| future | 154 | 140 | 108 | 50 | 68 | 50 |
| difference | 10 | 20 | 48 | 10 | 8 | 0 |
| Hydreigon | ||||||
| HP | ATK | DEF | SPA | SPD | SPE | |
| basic | 92 | 105 | 90 | 125 | 90 | 98 |
| future | 94 | 80 | 86 | 122 | 80 | 108 |
| difference | 2 | -25 | -4 | -3 | -10 | 10 |
| Tyranitar | ||||||
| HP | ATK | DEF | SPA | SPD | SPE | |
| basic | 100 | 134 | 110 | 95 | 100 | 61 |
| future | 100 | 134 | 110 | 70 | 84 | 72 |
| difference | 0 | 0 | 0 | -25 | -16 | 11 |
| Delibird | ||||||
| HP | ATK | DEF | SPA | SPD | SPE | |
| basic | 45 | 55 | 45 | 65 | 45 | 75 |
| future | 56 | 80 | 114 | 124 | 60 | 136 |
| difference | 11 | 25 | 69 | 59 | 15 | 61 |
| Gallade | ||||||
| HP | ATK | DEF | SPA | SPD | SPE | |
| basic | 68 | 125 | 65 | 65 | 115 | 80 |
| future | 74 | 130 | 90 | 120 | 60 | 116 |
| difference | 6 | 5 | 25 | 55 | -55 | 36 |
| Gardevoir | 68 | 65 | 65 | 125 | 115 | 80 |
| difference | 6 | 65 | 25 | -5 | -55 | 36 |
Edit: added Gardevoir comparison per request.
Khu and Kaka hinted that Iron Vaillant was supposed to be a fusion of Gardevior and Gallade - maybe add Garde to your table for comparison?
RIP Weedle's fav Obstagoon strats...if it's legit
It's not. 4chan was fucking with Centro.
Well other than the Speed stats I got the general stat lines for the Raidons right. Tho I did go overboard concerning the higher defenses.
On the other hand I did get the fact that their lesser offense would go below 90 right.
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Groudon and Kyogre are also 670, so it makes sense if these two are also weather setters.
The Hydreigon statline leaves me utterly confused...so much so im almost convinced this isnt Hydreigon but Zweilous we're supposed to be comparing to. every stat gets worse from base besides 2HP and 10 speed for mr Jugulis here, and non of the other psuedos follow this distributiion