SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics

Mario With Lasers said:
Well, they could fix it by excluding OHKOs from No Guard.

r-right?
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MrHands said:
Common sense solutions? Not in my Gamefreak!
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More like, I hightly doubt this crosses their mind anyway cause, even without accounting a ipotetical moveset reset... No Guard Fissure Machamp will never be legal in VGC/BSS, and I hardly doubt they care of what files in the "unranked wifi battles" since it even features hacked mons and whatnot every so often.
 
Mario With Lasers said:
Well, they could fix it by excluding OHKOs from No Guard.

r-right?
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I always thought that the best way to handle it is just make OHKO moves kill the user too if you use it with No Guard. You're too close!!

slp32 said:
Does Slaking also have a manual one?
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The ones to look for are Happiny, Chansey, Blissey, Audino and.... yeah it looks like Slaking's is artifically lowered compared to his base stats.

And it was indeed the shape field btw! She's almost complete...

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slp32 said:
Does Slaking also have a manual one?
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Mario With Lasers said:
Well, they could fix it by excluding OHKOs from No Guard.

r-right?
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Or they could just not care.

Why would they care about something that someone can use something in unranked free battle only, and only if they have a specific 3DS port of a Gameboy game that will become unavailable for purchase before Home compatibility even opens for SV.
 
mattgcn said:
I always thought that the best way to handle it is just make OHKO moves kill the user too if you use it with No Guard. You're too close!!



The ones to look for are Happiny, Chansey, Blissey, Audino and.... yeah it looks like Slaking's is artifically lowered compared to his base stats.

And it was indeed the shape field btw! She's almost complete...

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Yeah, I have an unknown field that is only set for Happiny, Chansey, Blissey and Slaking. Give me a bit and I'll send the values.
 
This means all the other ones are just calculated from base stats! A welcome change though it does mean someone who knows how to do math will have to check if the existing values/formulas still check out.
 
Worldie said:
Ok this is where I ask again the stupid question: Where is the hypertrain NPC lol
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Montevenera, close to one of the Centers.

Aura Flare Riolu said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1593281862566174720

So yeah. Those still on the Copium that Movesets won't be reset, just so you know that if/when Machamp returns, No Guard Fissure would be legal.
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mattgcn said:
This means all the other ones are just calculated from base stats! A welcome change though it does mean someone who knows how to do math will have to check if the existing values/formulas still check out.
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Wait, what does that mean? I can't do math at all!

Hold on... I haven't seen anything about the Exp. Groups yet...
 
mattgcn said:
This means all the other ones are just calculated from base stats! A welcome change though it does mean someone who knows how to do math will have to check if the existing values/formulas still check out.
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Code: 
Chansey = 237
Blissey = 365
Poochyena = 12
Zigzagoon = 8
Zigzagoon-1 = 8
Wurmple = 17
Slaking = -50
Happiny = 66
Audino = 234
Audino-1 = 234
Archen = -9
Archeops = -21
Floette-5 = 50
Wooloo = 68
Poochyena, Zigzagoon, Zigzagoon-1, Wurmple, Audino, Audino-1, Archen, Archeops, Floette-5 and Wooloo all aren't in the game, but have the field set. Everything else uses a value of 0.
 
TheMantyke said:
Still stand by everything I said in this post, especially given that it wouldn’t be legal in any bss/vgc format given they only use current Gen Pokémon / battle ready marked Pokémon (which have their move sets deleted). It’s purely a treat for free play and whatever fan made rule sets want to use it.

Machamp also isn’t in the game, though honestly that matters very little given it’s still almost assuredly the norm moving forward and Machamp will eventually show up again.

However, I’m mostly overjoyed that my freak accident shiny HA Feebas will one day be able to have a good ability.
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Yeah that is true. We do have to wait and see. But I wouldn't be surprised if they do reset. Especially when the 3DS eShop goes down, you won't be able to download Bank anymore though you'll still be able to use it if you have it. But that will eventually shut down. I know Transferred mons aren't legal for BSS/VGC but it's not really an issue for Showdown.

One of the major benefits of a reset is that Toxapex loses Scald and Knock Off so... That's a win!
 
slp32 said:
Code: 
Chansey = 237
Blissey = 365
Poochyena = 12
Zigzagoon = 8
Zigzagoon-1 = 8
Wurmple = 17
Slaking = -50
Happiny = 66
Audino = 234
Audino-1 = 234
Archen = -9
Archeops = -21
Floette-5 = 50
Wooloo = 68
Poochyena, Zigzagoon, Zigzagoon-1, Wurmple, Audino, Audino-1, Archen, Archeops, Floette-5 and Wooloo all aren't in the game, but have the field set. Everything else uses a value of 0.
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Ahaha that Floette one is for Eternal Floette. Fascinating.

OK so these looks like modifier values. Blissey as a stage 3 is just BST/2. If you do that, then add this value, you get 635 which is Blissey's experience yield in SWSH.

Chansey, as a middle stage, would calculate its experience yield with BST*7/20. If you do that, and add the modifier, you get 395, which is Chansey's yield in SWSH.

Happiny, as a first stage, would calculate its experience yield with BST/5. IF you do that, and add the modifier, you get 110, which is Happiny's yield in SWSH.

Formulas look the same so I should have all the experience yields in a moment!
 
slp32 said:
Code: 
Chansey = 237
Blissey = 365
Poochyena = 12
Zigzagoon = 8
Zigzagoon-1 = 8
Wurmple = 17
Slaking = -50
Happiny = 66
Audino = 234
Audino-1 = 234
Archen = -9
Archeops = -21
Floette-5 = 50
Wooloo = 68
Poochyena, Zigzagoon, Zigzagoon-1, Wurmple, Audino, Audino-1, Archen, Archeops, Floette-5 and Wooloo all aren't in the game, but have the field set. Everything else uses a value of 0.
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Why is the value set for Mega Audino...
 
meanwhile i'm looking at the negative experience modifiers and just going "thats' a little rude even for their abilities, i think"
 
Worldie said:
More like, I hightly doubt this crosses their mind anyway cause, even without accounting a ipotetical moveset reset... No Guard Fissure Machamp will never be legal in VGC/BSS, and I hardly doubt they care of what files in the "unranked wifi battles" since it even features hacked mons and whatnot every so often.
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They've allowed transfer moves in in-game battle facilities so either they'll:

a) Require a battle ready symbol for that
b) They just wipe your moves and be done with the complexity

So yeah, my feeling is that they'll gravitate towards b). I'm going cold turkey on copium.

TheMantyke said:
However, I’m mostly overjoyed that my freak accident shiny HA Feebas will one day be able to have a good ability.
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Also means I can finally shiny hunt the S/S fossils in fancy balls without them being stuck with their ass HA like the Vish.
 
Unknown Warrior said:
They've allowed transfer moves in in-game battle facilities so either they'll:

a) Require a battle ready symbol for that
b) They just wipe your moves and be done with the complexity

So yeah, my feeling is that they'll gravitate towards b). I'm going cold turkey on copium.



Also means I can finally shiny hunt the S/S fossils in fancy balls without them being stuck with their ass HA like the Vish.
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Why the fuck would they care that Machamp can sweep Battle Facilities.
 
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