Ah yes of course, the infamous one. They should do an event giveaway at some point like Lance's Barrier Dragonite.
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Ah yes of course, the infamous one. They should do an event giveaway at some point like Lance's Barrier Dragonite.
Wait, is that Typhlosion in Paldea? Are SV compatible with HOME now?
No, not yet. Typhlosion is in the game, just not obtainable at the moment.
I think people were able to inject mons existing in the base game even if they're non-native/transfer only, if the shots of Arceus testing indicate anything to me.
Edit: Accelgor'd (because he's a cooler Ninja than Greninja)
Imma say it, you guys don't hate 3D Typhlosion, you just hate Typhlosion
His fire was meant to be in short bursts. It's why unlike literally every fire type line with a visible flame, it's drawn completely different, more fluid/realistic (or candle like for Chandelure line) for typical mons, vs a short burst for Typhlosion line
And GF was aware of that design choice. Gen 6-8 he flames up strictly for attacks, Stadium-PBR he similarly doesn't have the flames on 24/7, along with Mystery Dungeon sprites. PLA is similar. The anime does the same thing!
I notice no one has this complaint for Cyndaquil, despite doing the exact same thing. Quilava also somehow misses most complaints despite having MORE flames in design
Heck, Blaziken does the same thing, its arm bursts are actually ignored in fandom, yet no one complains for Gen 6-7 Blaziken
I think the real problem is you guys can't accept that compared to literally every other fire starter, Typhlosion is super plain, looking more like a Normal type mon without the flame. The Flame is literally a crutch
...For you, I like Typh, flameless or not, even if I have to admit it being plain
His fire was meant to be in short bursts. It's why unlike literally every fire type line with a visible flame, it's drawn completely different, more fluid/realistic (or candle like for Chandelure line) for typical mons, vs a short burst for Typhlosion line
And GF was aware of that design choice. Gen 6-8 he flames up strictly for attacks, Stadium-PBR he similarly doesn't have the flames on 24/7, along with Mystery Dungeon sprites. PLA is similar. The anime does the same thing!
I notice no one has this complaint for Cyndaquil, despite doing the exact same thing. Quilava also somehow misses most complaints despite having MORE flames in design
Heck, Blaziken does the same thing, its arm bursts are actually ignored in fandom, yet no one complains for Gen 6-7 Blaziken
I think the real problem is you guys can't accept that compared to literally every other fire starter, Typhlosion is super plain, looking more like a Normal type mon without the flame. The Flame is literally a crutch
...For you, I like Typh, flameless or not, even if I have to admit it being plain
I'm not a Typhlosion fan but I agree entirely. It's supposed to not have the flames lit the entire time. If it looks lame that way... then sorry, that's how it looks.
This isn't like how some bird Pokémon are in a gliding T-pose when battling.
I'm on team "flameless Typhlosion still looks good"
My hot take is that Mega Pidgeot is the most overhated animation ever. Salamance I get why people hate, because it looks like it's floating more than flying, but Mega Pidgeot looks like it's gliding at high speeds shown, ironically, through hacking using Supersonice Skystrike.
I agree that Typhlosion is pretty plain, speaking as someone who loves it, but imo Typhlosion being plain is part of its charm. And it works well with respect to the starter trio it's part of and why Typhlosion fits as a member of the Johto starter trio.
Plainness is really a commonality of the Johto starter trio as a whole, not just Typhlosion. The biggest defining trait of the Johto starters imo amongst all the starter trios is that they are very uniquely plain compared to all other starter trios. Meganium is just a sauropod with a flower necklace (and its pre evos have just a head leaf). Typhlosion is just a badger, and has a back flame that it activates occasionally. Feraligatr is just a crocodile.
And their "plainness" is reinforced by their typings and stat builds. Unlike other starters, they don't have second types. They remain pure Grass, Fire, and Water. Their stats and movepools are very textbook and straightforward. Meganium is a textbook defensive cleric. Typhlosion is a textbook specially offensive attacker with good Speed and power. Feraligatr is a straightforward physical attacker. They're about as white bread as you can get, which makes them not great competitively sadly, but in a way, that's their charm.
Unlike other starter trios, especially those from Sinnoh onwards which have out there designs and second types as well as cohesive theming to their designs, the Johto starters are basically the plain trio among them. They're generic in just about every aspect. It works against them competitively, but in a way, that's their charm that ironically makes them unique.
Yeah, it was jarring in Stadium 2-PBR to have Fire mons like Ponyta line, Charmander line, and Moltres have realistic fire textures, fire moves to have realistic textures....then Typhlosion line it's a flat colored fin
This is why it needs to be a short BURST. It just looks off in constant motion
This is why it needs to be a short BURST. It just looks off in constant motion
The realistic fire in PokéDex 3D Pro looks awful.
Oh no it was, due to looking so transparent. Rapidash has NONE flame fur that's just similarly colored that's missed too
But for consistency, Typhlosion was the odd one out for a while. The toon fire since Gen 6 has reduced this
The reason it felt off to me about Typhlosion is that in battle it feels like he should be in that sort of zone if you're sending it out to battle as is the case when you're seeing the model in most scenarios. Granted there do exist things like Pokemon-Amie or Camping so there is a place for it, but besides the awkwardly plain look it also feels like a weird situation not to be flaring up.
It kind of makes me think of how Xerneas has a duller "normal" mode color scheme while it gets the more extravagant rainbow lights and yellow horns when battling.
It kind of makes me think of how Xerneas has a duller "normal" mode color scheme while it gets the more extravagant rainbow lights and yellow horns when battling.
I think enough time has passed to where it's become clear that Typhlosion's buggered 3d model has tangibly damaged its reputation. I swear at the start of the 2010s it was a universally revered fan favorite but now after nearly a decade of being saddled with the lack of flames it feels like it has become so much more controversial and divisive, at least relative to the heights of praise it used to be treated to.
I think Typhlosion itself tarnished its reputation, being an meh copy of Charizard and all.
L take typhlosion is my scrimblo bimbo and i love them. ratio
A discussion about typhlosion obviously!What have I started?
Frankly, I do believe that, flames or not, the whole line looks pretty good. The progression of the line isn't rly all that drastic, but it's functional enough!
sry for getting sidetracked but I rly wanted to get this unpopular opinion off my chest
Still made they made Chiko green after the anime, when OG was yellowA discussion about typhlosion obviously!
Frankly, I do believe that, flames or not, the whole line looks pretty good. The progression of the line isn't rly all that drastic, but it's functional enough!
Still kinda inferior to the chikorita line tho just look at them.
sry for getting sidetracked but I rly wanted to get this unpopular opinion off my chest
Makes Bayleef suddenly the odd one out
I have an original and perhaps unpopular opinion. Lapras 
should be a Dragon - Ice type Pokémon, instead of Water - Ice.
If I were ignorant of Lapras' actual type, and asked to guess what type I think it is based only on its design, Psychic, Rock, and especially Dragon would be just as likely to come to my mind as Water or Ice.
In beta versions of Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue, Lapras was named Ness after the Loch Ness monster. Dragon type Pokémon are usually rarer (the Ness monster's existence is unconfirmed) and more powerful (Lapras' Base Stat Total is on par with the likes of Porygon-Z, Rhyperior, and Duraludon) than other Pokémon. In Generation I artwork, Lapras is shown bearing teeth that it loses in later games. Lapras may have been meant to be a more menacing creature, which would better suit a Dragon Pokémon. Lapras being Dragon type would have helped RBY's in-game balance, though not drastically. In RBY, only three Dragon type Pokémon existed, those being Dratini and its evolution family. Other Water - Ice type Pokémon already existed in the game, such as Cloyster and Dewgong.
As early as Gen II, Lapras was capable of learning Dragon type moves, such as Dragon Breath. Since then, it has gained options in Dragon Pulse and Dragon Dance, among others. Lapras also has a type diverse move pool, one which includes Hyper Beam, Charm, Thunderbolt, Psychic, Drill Run, and Megahorn.
A Lapras is used by the Unova Pokémon League Champion Iris, who specializes in Dragon type Pokémon. Even the non-Dragon Pokémon she uses, Lapras, Aggron, and Archeops if you squint, have slightly draconic designs. Red's Pokémon team would have no type overlap if Lapras was a Dragon - Ice type. This is nitpicky, but I personally prefer when Champions have type diverse teams, and moreso in Red's case because he is the original, ultimate Pokémon trainer.
Some players would say that Lapras should be a Water Pokémon instead, as Lapras nearly always appears in water in other Pokémon media and has Pokedex entries that detail how Lapras lives in water. Several other Pokémon make habitats in and have lore concerning water environments, and they are not Water type. Examples include Dragonite (Dragon - Flying), Lugia (Psychic - Flying), Dragalge (Poison - Dragon), Dhelmise (Ghost - Grass) and Grapploct (Fighting).
should be a Dragon - Ice type Pokémon, instead of Water - Ice.If I were ignorant of Lapras' actual type, and asked to guess what type I think it is based only on its design, Psychic, Rock, and especially Dragon would be just as likely to come to my mind as Water or Ice.
In beta versions of Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue, Lapras was named Ness after the Loch Ness monster. Dragon type Pokémon are usually rarer (the Ness monster's existence is unconfirmed) and more powerful (Lapras' Base Stat Total is on par with the likes of Porygon-Z, Rhyperior, and Duraludon) than other Pokémon. In Generation I artwork, Lapras is shown bearing teeth that it loses in later games. Lapras may have been meant to be a more menacing creature, which would better suit a Dragon Pokémon. Lapras being Dragon type would have helped RBY's in-game balance, though not drastically. In RBY, only three Dragon type Pokémon existed, those being Dratini and its evolution family. Other Water - Ice type Pokémon already existed in the game, such as Cloyster and Dewgong.
As early as Gen II, Lapras was capable of learning Dragon type moves, such as Dragon Breath. Since then, it has gained options in Dragon Pulse and Dragon Dance, among others. Lapras also has a type diverse move pool, one which includes Hyper Beam, Charm, Thunderbolt, Psychic, Drill Run, and Megahorn.
A Lapras is used by the Unova Pokémon League Champion Iris, who specializes in Dragon type Pokémon. Even the non-Dragon Pokémon she uses, Lapras, Aggron, and Archeops if you squint, have slightly draconic designs. Red's Pokémon team would have no type overlap if Lapras was a Dragon - Ice type. This is nitpicky, but I personally prefer when Champions have type diverse teams, and moreso in Red's case because he is the original, ultimate Pokémon trainer.
Some players would say that Lapras should be a Water Pokémon instead, as Lapras nearly always appears in water in other Pokémon media and has Pokedex entries that detail how Lapras lives in water. Several other Pokémon make habitats in and have lore concerning water environments, and they are not Water type. Examples include Dragonite (Dragon - Flying), Lugia (Psychic - Flying), Dragalge (Poison - Dragon), Dhelmise (Ghost - Grass) and Grapploct (Fighting).
Again, wholeheartedly disagreed with Grapploct regarding not having Water-type because of SwSh already introducing a lot of mono Fighting Pokémon, thus making Clobberpus and Grapploct standing out less than it would if it is Fighting / Water among the SwSh-introduced Fighting mons. Sure, there’s Rapid Strike Urshifu, but then that makes two lines of new Figthing / Water compared to three mono Fighting Pokémon lines.I have an original and perhaps unpopular opinion. Lapras
If I were ignorant of Lapras' actual type, and asked to guess what type I think it is based only on its design, Psychic, Rock, and especially Dragon would be just as likely to come to my mind as Water or Ice.
In beta versions of Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue, Lapras was named Ness after the Loch Ness monster. Dragon type Pokémon are usually rarer (the Ness monster's existence is unconfirmed) and more powerful (Lapras' Base Stat Total is on par with the likes of Porygon-Z, Rhyperior, and Duraludon) than other Pokémon. In Generation I artwork, Lapras is shown bearing teeth that it loses in later games. Lapras may have been meant to be a more menacing creature, which would better suit a Dragon Pokémon. Lapras being Dragon type would have helped RBY's in-game balance, though not drastically. In RBY, only three Dragon type Pokémon existed, those being Dratini and its evolution family. Other Water - Ice type Pokémon already existed in the game, such as Cloyster and Dewgong.
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As early as Gen II, Lapras was capable of learning Dragon type moves, such as Dragon Breath. Since then, it has gained options in Dragon Pulse and Dragon Dance, among others. Lapras also has a type diverse move pool, one which includes Hyper Beam, Charm, Thunderbolt, Psychic, Drill Run, and Megahorn.
A Lapras is used by the Unova Pokémon League Champion Iris, who specializes in Dragon type Pokémon. Even the non-Dragon Pokémon she uses, Lapras, Aggron, and Archeops if you squint, have slightly draconic designs. Red's Pokémon team would have no type overlap if Lapras was a Dragon - Ice type. This is nitpicky, but I personally prefer when Champions have type diverse teams, and moreso in Red's case because he is the original, ultimate Pokémon trainer.
Some players would say that Lapras should be a Water Pokémon instead, as Lapras nearly always appears in water in other Pokémon media and has Pokedex entries that detail how Lapras lives in water. Several other Pokémon make habitats in and have lore concerning water environments, and they are not Water type. Examples include Dragonite (Dragon - Flying), Lugia (Psychic - Flying), Dragalge (Poison - Dragon), Dhelmise (Ghost - Grass) and Grapploct (Fighting).
I definitely won’t mind if Lapras were Ice / Dragon, though there’s always a middle ground by making a more monstrous Ice / Dragon Lapras.
Really like this opinion because Ice/Dragon has been so underutilised as a typing until ScVi but it would have been a colossal waste in Gen I since Dragon sucked back then. All other things being equal, though, Ice/Dragon Lapras would have been so good in Gen II.
For better or worse, Dragon was very specifically reserved for the Dratini line in gen I. Lapras could very well have originally been envisioned as a Water/Dragon (Ice/Dragon seems less likely), but changed later on as the game's development progressed.